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Is the 1632 series an isekai?
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Apr 15, 2021 16:41
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I would say yes.
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Apr 15, 2021 17:04
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It is the Isekei of an entire city, but still Isekei
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Apr 15, 2021 18:11
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Yeah, there’s nothing intrinsically bad about isekai, it’s just a niche that attracts a lot of crap with very low barriers to entry for publishing. (Think vampire stories post-Twilight...) You could make a pretty good argument that games like CrossCode and Star Ocean 3 are isekai, and while they’re not exactly high literature they’re a thousand miles from Doki-Doki Everyman Accountant Gets All The Fantasy Waifus over there.
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Apr 15, 2021 18:22
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"A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" is isekai, Mark Twain was a light novelist uwu
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Apr 15, 2021 18:47
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Chronicles of Narnia series? Isekai, b!tch
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Apr 15, 2021 18:48
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Rockopolis posted:Is the 1632 series an isekai? I believe the most accurate term for a transporting of a mass number of people and their environment is ISOT or Islands in the Sea of Time, based off of a book by the same name about a Coast Guard cutter that is transported back to the Bronze Age around Nantucket.
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Apr 15, 2021 21:13
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mcclay posted:I believe the most accurate term for a transporting of a mass number of people and their environment is ISOT or Islands in the Sea of Time, based off of a book by the same name about a Coast Guard cutter that is transported back to the Bronze Age around Nantucket. That sounds like AH.com talk to me. We don’t hold no truck with them ‘round these parts  Speaking of AH.com, isekai/isekai-style anime is basically the only place I can find one of my favorite extremely specific fantasy subgenres: people from a technologically advanced society in to a less advanced one who start to up-tech it only to find the locals are more than smart enough to adapt, improve, or independently develop the stuff they come with. I’m thinking of Maoyuu and Ascension of a Bookworm here. I miss Maoyuu 
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Apr 15, 2021 23:13
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Falconier111 posted:That sounds like AH.com talk to me. We don’t hold no truck with them ‘round these parts Log Horizon kiiinda scratched that itch, but it's also pretty dead
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Apr 15, 2021 23:24
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Sengoku Komachi Kurou Tan! does a pretty good job of scratching that itch.
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Apr 16, 2021 01:12
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Log Horizon kiiinda scratched that itch, but it's also pretty dead I have good news for you! The writer finished his jail term and is writing again. They just made a new anime season. It's a little rushed (only 12 episodes) but it's still good stuff. E. And as long as we're on the topic, Log Horizon definitely qualifies as a good isekai. It's one of those "whoops we ended up in a vidya game!", but it actually puts a lot of thought into that premise. The story is more concerned with the political and economic impact of thousands of overpowered, immortal PCs suddenly appearing and interacting with this pseudo-medieval world--a world that has its own history, rival countries, and perspectives on the game mechanics that are as natural to them as the laws of physics. I think it's pretty telling that one of the first major problems that the protagonist deals with is, "It's too easy to survive in this world; without the usual motivations that society provides, life feels meaningless for people who are stranded here." And as Radio Free Kobold pointed out, there is some pretty cool tech-ing up going on, too. The only other isekai that I would recommend is Re: Zero, which takes the idea of the power fantasy protagonist out behind the shed and beats it to death with a shovel. Viola the Mad fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 01:19
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Viola the Mad posted:I have good news for you! The writer finished his jail term and is writing again. They just made a new anime season. It's a little rushed (only 12 episodes) but it's still good stuff. Uh, what was he in jail for?
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Apr 16, 2021 01:24
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Tax evasion I think.
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Apr 16, 2021 01:27
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Well that was a curveball that ended up a lot softer than expected.
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Apr 16, 2021 01:33
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Voisk posted:I actually like Isekai style stories. They end up as a bit of a guilty pleasure when I'm in the mood to read something, but not something that's, "Too good". A lot of them are bad... but I view those as about the same as sitting around watching bad horror movies. It's fun to bitch about the stupid stuff. Sometimes you find one that is good or at least has interesting elements to it. I tend to actually like the ones that are not just power wish fulfillment, but most of the shovelware is exactly that. I saw a pretty good Youtube video from a female illustrator who remembers when isekai were female-focused (Escaflowne, Inuyasha, Magic Knight Rayearth) and is bitter about how much the genre is marketed to men nowadays.
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Apr 16, 2021 01:37
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Falconier111 posted:That sounds like AH.com talk to me. We don’t hold no truck with them ‘round these parts Eric Flint's 1632 series has a lot of that. Given that its written by a socialist and is very pro-feminism, anti-racist and pro-union its not that surprising that its more nuanced than either 'modern society dominates downtimers because haha we're strong' or 'past society dominates modern society because ha ha good old days good times weak men'
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Apr 16, 2021 01:44
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Solitair posted:I saw a pretty good Youtube video from a female illustrator who remembers when isekai were female-focused (Escaflowne, Inuyasha, Magic Knight Rayearth) and is bitter about how much the genre is marketed to men nowadays. Yeah I won't disagree with that. Also the whole discussion reminds me of Those who hunt Elves, which was probably the first Isekai I knew about long before the genre really became a thing. And contrary to its name it was an ecchi comedy about a team, alongside their sentient tank, hunting for magical runes hidden amongst elves so they could get back home again. mcclay posted:Eric Flint's 1632 series has a lot of that. Given that its written by a socialist and is very pro-feminism, anti-racist and pro-union its not that surprising that its more nuanced than either 'modern society dominates downtimers because haha we're strong' or 'past society dominates modern society because ha ha good old days good times weak men' Consider myself surprised because the first impression I got from the series whenever I briefly crossed path with it via a book catalogue was that it gave the usual power fantasy vibe, like some kind of quasi colonialism in a way. But glad to know I'm (somewhat) wrong on that then. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 01:44
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Rubix Squid posted:Tax evasion I think. Yeah, it was tax evasion.
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Apr 16, 2021 02:03
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Cooked Auto posted:Yeah I won't disagree with that. I read one book from the series it was about a doctor guy trying to reform medicine, he ends up making I think Viagra by accident. I thought it was actually pretty nice overall. Note the doctor guy was not an isekei, he was from the time period.
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Apr 16, 2021 02:51
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Solitair posted:I saw a pretty good Youtube video from a female illustrator who remembers when isekai were female-focused (Escaflowne, Inuyasha, Magic Knight Rayearth) and is bitter about how much the genre is marketed to men nowadays. Link? I, too, am a female who is bitter about the subversion of the noble genre of isekai into lovely male power fantasies. Okay it wasn't noble but 90s and 00s isekais were generally better. I got a soft spot for fish-out-of-water stories and a pet peeve for power fantasies, so...yeah.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:00
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Viola the Mad posted:Link? I, too, am a female who is bitter about the subversion of the noble genre of isekai into lovely male power fantasies. I am a guy but I love crossover/fish out of water and portal fantasy in theory but Isekai being what it is makes me very angry and annoyed, too.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:03
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Solitair posted:I saw a pretty good Youtube video from a female illustrator who remembers when isekai were female-focused (Escaflowne, Inuyasha, Magic Knight Rayearth) and is bitter about how much the genre is marketed to men nowadays. Yeah, that's definitely fair. I feel like the female equivalent to modern Isekai are the, "Villainess" stories. Which you could probably call most a subset of Isekai really. There's also a lot of these poured out, of very varying quality. On average, they're probably better than random power fantasy isekai but a lot of them feel the same as the others.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:03
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Inuyasha and Magic Knight Rayearth were good. Never got into Escaflowne.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:42
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Viola the Mad posted:Link? I, too, am a female who is bitter about the subversion of the noble genre of isekai into lovely male power fantasies.
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Apr 16, 2021 04:07
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Dang, beaten to it. Is it too early to argue about whether Re:Zero is Good, Actually?
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Apr 16, 2021 04:29
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That was fascinating.
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Apr 16, 2021 05:36
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The central theme of a isekai, is that it's some random loser, getting absurd powers. That said, one of the best isekais: " Saga of Tanya the Evil" "I succesfully made it look like that skirmish killed me" "what do you mean I earned the "Golden Wings" medal???" "ah, transferring me to logistics?" (nice, cozy backline job, safe!) (oh no, weapons testing is under logistics... Nooooo!)
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Apr 16, 2021 12:21
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Youjo Senki is pretty solid, but I think that's because it only starts with the premise of isekai and quickly turns into a war story instead of going with all the genre's conventions.
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Apr 16, 2021 18:44
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Is Dr. Stone considered isekai?
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Apr 16, 2021 18:49
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Solitair posted:Dang, beaten to it. We'll argue about it once I get to reviewing it, because I have my own thoughts on Re:Zero.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:35
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So this is going to be a megacampaign, right? 
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Apr 16, 2021 22:47
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If things result in an interesting world, then maybe. If it's just hell blobs then no.
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Apr 16, 2021 23:52
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Voisk posted:Yeah, that's definitely fair. I feel like the female equivalent to modern Isekai are the, "Villainess" stories. Which you could probably call most a subset of Isekai really. There's also a lot of these poured out, of very varying quality. On average, they're probably better than random power fantasy isekai but a lot of them feel the same as the others. That's what I've heard, too, but I came away with the impression that they were mostly romantic comedies? Which is fine, but it's not my jam. It doesn't help that the one villainess isekai I did check out was a power fantasy, too. While I always like stories with a strong female lead, an OP heroine with a harem of submissive dudes is only slightly more palatable to me than a regular isekai. Maybe the screen is filled with abs instead of titties, but it's still boring as hell.
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Apr 17, 2021 00:45
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Viola the Mad posted:That's what I've heard, too, but I came away with the impression that they were mostly romantic comedies? Which is fine, but it's not my jam. It doesn't help that the one villainess isekai I did check out was a power fantasy, too. While I always like stories with a strong female lead, an OP heroine with a harem of submissive dudes is only slightly more palatable to me than a regular isekai. Maybe the screen is filled with abs instead of titties, but it's still boring as hell. 
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Apr 17, 2021 03:14
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Viola the Mad posted:That's what I've heard, too, but I came away with the impression that they were mostly romantic comedies? Which is fine, but it's not my jam. It doesn't help that the one villainess isekai I did check out was a power fantasy, too. While I always like stories with a strong female lead, an OP heroine with a harem of submissive dudes is only slightly more palatable to me than a regular isekai. Maybe the screen is filled with abs instead of titties, but it's still boring as hell. Yeah they're mostly romantic comedies. Almost all are about gathering a noble harem because the main character is quirky and unique. They're still very wish fulfillment territory, just of a more social kind. Usually the main character has a bit more personality than a general isekai character but that's not exactly difficult to pull off. You also do get a bit more focus on side characters because it's a romantic story and more about hot dudes rather than a single cool guy. There's been a few I enjoyed, mostly ones that really define the main character. Biggest annoyance of the isekai genre in general is that characters just... don't care that they've been murder-kidnapped. It's usually a better sign for the series when a character shows more than a passing concern at the start.
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Apr 17, 2021 04:03
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Do works where the protagonist gets moved from one fictional world to a less scientifically advanced and more magical world count as isekai? I’m thinking Final Fantasy X and The Beginning After The End here. E: 
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Apr 17, 2021 05:42
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Don't forget Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and A2.
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Apr 17, 2021 06:01
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Falconier111 posted:Do works where the protagonist gets moved from one fictional world to a less scientifically advanced and more magical world count as isekai? I’m thinking Final Fantasy X and The Beginning After The End here. Final Fantasy X spoilers It seems to be one at first (especially with the idea we're introduced to early on that there has been time travel) but it turns out nope, same world, no real time travel. It's closer to being trapped in a foreign country than anything else. Technowolf posted:Is Dr. Stone considered isekai? It has the isekai spirit, but still takes place in the same world. The characters know where they are, etc. There's a group of people out there who seem to take the isekai genre tag very seriously. I mean people argue that Sword Art Online isn't an isekai even during the portions where they are quite literally trapped within another world, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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Apr 17, 2021 08:22
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SniHjen posted:The central theme of a isekai, is that it's some random loser, getting absurd powers. That sounds pretty negative of me, but you know, Memento is an amazing movie - there's nothing wrong with a shortcut, you just have to use it well, instead of as an excuse to be lazy.
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Apr 17, 2021 09:54
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The Conrad Stargard-novels would be a nice western example. Polish engineer gets transported back to medieval Poland by drunkenly stumbling into a time-machine. Industrializes the gently caress out of this place, gets filthy rich, slaughters the Mongol invasion and introduces polygamy to keep boning multiple underage girls. Isekai in it's purest form.
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Apr 17, 2021 10:37
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