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Frond posted:Why was Askew fired for a slightly better version Ed Jones? I think the answer is McLaren-SPM is one of the teams on the grid most likely to do silly things for inexplicable reasons. DEEP STATE PLOT posted:bourdais sucks poo poo so this is hardly surprising Bourdais did alright in 2018 and 2019 with the DCR car, but there might be something with the aeroscreen car that is tricky. that or Foyt being an anchor of a team.
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Sep 19, 2021 02:51
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Frond posted:Why was Askew fired for a slightly better version Ed Jones? It was strongly hinted at but never outright said that there was a lot of unhappiness at SPAM about how the whole concussion thing went down, which seems... lovely.
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Sep 19, 2021 06:21
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IOwnCalculus posted:It was strongly hinted at but never outright said that there was a lot of unhappiness at SPAM about how the whole concussion thing went down, which seems... lovely. Supposedly they were mad that he hid his concussion symptoms from them but idk, I'm inclined to believe he had good reason to believe they would've been lovely to him had he been open and honest (assuming that is what happened).
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Sep 19, 2021 19:44
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Herta is flying out there
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Sep 19, 2021 21:27
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Grosjean is so much fun in Indycar.
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Sep 19, 2021 22:46
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I was expecting Laguna to be a snoozer because it usually is, but it was a fuckin' banger. Good enough I might rewatch it this week.
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Sep 20, 2021 00:19
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Lively Laguna race.
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Sep 20, 2021 00:39
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The McLaren cars are hardly consistent but Rosenqvist looks awful out there. O’Ward struggles with tire management.
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Sep 20, 2021 00:40
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Jimmie Johnson should be fookin shawt
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Sep 20, 2021 10:19
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Mods please rename the thread title https://streamable.com/mrvuwa Tia
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Sep 20, 2021 11:45
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The Pass II: Corkscrew Boogaloo
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Sep 20, 2021 15:43
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The Laguna cork-screwjob
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Sep 20, 2021 17:14
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Jimmie Johnson, rookie of the year!
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Sep 21, 2021 08:07
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Grosjean signed with Andretti for next year
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Sep 24, 2021 22:00
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Helio mad https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1442170021627809797
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Sep 26, 2021 18:05
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is Rossi sponsored by the IRS or something
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Sep 26, 2021 19:17
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zak brown in long beach lol what a first lap
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Sep 26, 2021 20:48
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ilmucche posted:zak brown in long beach lol Lol.
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Sep 26, 2021 22:20
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Ed Jones is the most mediocre driver I’ve seen in quite some time.
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Sep 26, 2021 22:21
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Good champion.
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Sep 26, 2021 22:37
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Fun race! I missed what happened with Grosjean, did he hit a wall?
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Sep 26, 2021 22:41
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ScooterMcTiny posted:Fun race! I missed what happened with Grosjean, did he hit a wall? Yup, didn't look that bad, but broke something.
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Sep 26, 2021 22:43
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Ah bummer he’s been a blast to watch the last couple races.
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Sep 26, 2021 22:50
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Would be cool with Long Beach being the permanent finale tbh
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hunnert car pileup posted:Would be cool with Long Beach being the permanent finale tbh Seriously, this is the atmosphere Indycar needs to end on.
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Sounds like it was a good race and a party, I can't wait to check the longer highlights this week. good work by Palou all season to take the championship in his second year in IndyCars. Wild to have a Ganassi champion that isn't Dixon -- first time since Dario, of course.
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harperdc posted:Sounds like it was a good race and a party, I can't wait to check the longer highlights this week. A little gutted, but glad we came close to a break of the Andretti-Ganassi-Penske monopoly.
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Sep 27, 2021 00:50
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Palou drove excellently all year.
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Sep 27, 2021 00:53
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Vasukhani posted:A little gutted, but glad we came close to a break of the Andretti-Ganassi-Penske monopoly. I mean they've been fighting in most of those championships, but Andretti only has one title since reunification, and even Penske "only" has four. Ganassi has won the title ten out of the last fourteen seasons. It's very much Ganassi, then Penske, and then a very distant everyone else, and as far as I can tell that's mostly because Ganassi (especially with Dixon and now Palou) are absolute pros at making the best out of days that every other team turns into a full on shitshow.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I mean they've been fighting in most of those championships, but Andretti only has one title since reunification, and even Penske "only" has four. Ganassi has won the title ten out of the last fourteen seasons. It's very much Ganassi, then Penske, and then a very distant everyone else, and as far as I can tell that's mostly because Ganassi (especially with Dixon and now Palou) are absolute pros at making the best out of days that every other team turns into a full on shitshow. It was super clear today. They can just easily run in 4-5th without really having to fight. No idea what they've figured out.
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As a very casual racing fan, Drive to Survive did a great job (for me at least) of providing a bunch of background and context on the various F1 teams. As I dive deeper into Indycar is there a go to primer than I can watch or read to give similar insight?
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ScooterMcTiny posted:As a very casual racing fan, Drive to Survive did a great job (for me at least) of providing a bunch of background and context on the various F1 teams. As I dive deeper into Indycar is there a go to primer than I can watch or read to give similar insight? There isn't a similar documentary I can think of for teams specifically and the full IndyCar grid, but there is one on Scott Dixon - Born Racer - that might be a good introduction, given that Dixon has tied for the most national championships*, has been consistently Excellent and a championship contender basically since 2007 or so, and really only has come up short in the Indy 500. I can put together something on the different teams and relevant heritages here later today. It's a bit tougher to follow IndyCar just because sponsors and paint schemes change a bit more, but if you're following organizations it's not impossible.
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harperdc posted:There isn't a similar documentary I can think of for teams specifically and the full IndyCar grid, but there is one on Scott Dixon - Born Racer - that might be a good introduction, given that Dixon has tied for the most national championships*, has been consistently Excellent and a championship contender basically since 2007 or so, and really only has come up short in the Indy 500. Hell yea that’s great thank you. Was talking to my dad during the race today about how much easier it is to follow the teams in F1 since the liveries are all the same.
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Vasukhani posted:It was super clear today. They can just easily run in 4-5th without really having to fight. No idea what they've figured out. Announcers used to love to point out how much Dixon could save fuel while still going fast, often while mentioning the time he and Ganassi spent with the Toyota engine which couldn't make as much power as the rest of the field. So lacking speed, all they could do was focus on how to go longer on a stint and win on strategy. I think this is important, but not as important as it has been in the past - we aren't seeing nearly as many races decided on who can stretch a load of fuel the longest, and that's a win for everyone. I think that mentality comes with a second benefit, and it's something Palou shares as well. Somewhat unfortunately for fans, it's the fact that the two of them seemingly never get flustered. They just don't gently caress up. If for some reason they've just plain missed the setup for a race, they don't go out and drive the wheels off of it to try to turn a tenth place car into a third place car. They go out, put their heads down, and work the strategy they're given. Sticking to that with a bit of luck will turn a tenth place car into a fifth place car, and that's a lot better for the championship than all of the times (just this season, even!) someone else has turned a car capable of a win into a DNF. I can't even count how many times at just the races I've personally been to, Ryan Hunter-Reay has bailed on a strategy because he simply can't hit the fuel number / pace / tire life needed to make it work. Most of the field is closer to RHR in that regard than they are to Dixon. I don't know how much of that has to do with Mike Hull calling the right strategy versus Dixon hitting the numbers he's told to hit, but the two of those combined are a league of their own.
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ScooterMcTiny posted:Hell yea that’s great thank you. Was talking to my dad during the race today about how much easier it is to follow the teams in F1 since the liveries are all the same. Okey-doke, time for a bit of an effort post -- should also be re-usable for next year's OP. ------- IndyCar Team Guide - History and Status (as of 2021) Compared to the relative simplicity of Formula 1 -- where each team has two cars painted identically, and (in the past few years) haven't really changed designs or primary colors too much -- the IndyCar grid is a bit more mixed, thanks to teams having more cars and more different sponsors. But that said, there's plenty of history for a lot of the teams in IndyCar that's worth digging into or comparing to the older iterations of American open wheel.  Team Penske Chevrolet Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #2 Josef Newgarden / #3 Scott McLaughlin / #12 Will Power / #22 Simon Pagenaud / Indy Only: #16 Simona Di Silvestro The gold standard. Competitors at the Indianapolis 500 since 1969, 18 victories in the '500,' and 14 season championships, Team Penske truly is 'Penske perfect.' Perennial challengers at Indy and throughout the season, the current four-car squad struggled a little in early 2021, though Josef Newgarden came back to get close in the title picture by the end of the year. McLaughlin had a dip from high expectations for his rookie season, Will Power struggled, and it looks like the team may drop a car for next year in the form of Simon Pagenaud going elsewhere, though that's still TBD. For the Indy 500 this year, the Paretta Autosport team partnered with the Penske enterprise to field Simona Di Silvestro. If you were going to make IndyCar into a sports movie, Team Penske would be the bad guys -- perfectly manicured drivers, cars, pit setups, they're the well-moneyed bad guys who absolutely pay attention to every detail and extract the most. Can't blame team owner Roger Penske for pouring the money from his corporate empire back into his racing teams while expecting results and doing so in a corporate, picture-perfect manner. Along with the IndyCar team, Penske bought into NASCAR in the early '90s, and is expanding once more into sports car racing with the Porsche factory team in IMSA and the WEC from 2023. The empire grows.  Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #8 Marcus Ericsson / #9 Scott Dixon / #10 Alex Palou / #48 Jimmie Johnson This era's true standout. Started in 1990 and running through until a few years ago with Target sponsorship, the Chip Ganassi team first saw real success with Jimmy Vasser and Alex Zanardi's championships in CART in the late 1990s. Since then, some of the modern heroes of the sport have driven for the team: Juan Pablo Montoya, Dario Franchiti, Dan Wheldon, Tony Kanaan, and Scott Dixon, who has been with the team since 2002 (!). Dixon seems to perpetually be a title favorite, Ericsson proved quick in his second year in the championship, while Alex Palou stepped up after a promising rookie season to get his first IndyCar win and finally clinch the title. Jimmie Johnson moved over after retiring with seven titles in NASCAR to turn left and right and has truly gotten the bug. Expect Ganassi racing to remain strong in future seasons. Along with the IndyCar team, Ganassi had a NASCAR program that they sold this season, and is stepping back into sports car racing once more as Cadillac's factory team in IMSA and WEC from 2023.  Andretti Autosport Honda Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #26 Colton Herta / #27 Alexander Rossi / #28 Ryan Hunter-Reay / #29 James Hinchcliffe / Indy Only: #25 Stefan Wilson / #98 Marco Andretti The largest team on the grid by entry numbers (with four regular drivers, two Indy 500-only drivers, and a partnership with another two-car team we'll discuss later), Andretti Autosport has grown into a monster after starting with much humbler beginnings. Drawing the history back to the early 1990s Forsythe-Green team that started with Jacques Villeneuve and grew into the Team KOOL Green outfit of Franchiti and Paul Tracy, prolific second-gen driver Michael Andretti joined first as a driver, and took over full ownership in 2003 (and moved the team to the IRL the same season). Even before Michael hung up the helmet as a full-time driver, the team was successful in the IRL, including winning the Indianapolis 500 with Dan Wheldon and Dario Franchiti. In recent years they've been in and around the title picture with various drivers -- Hunter-Reay winning it in 2012, Alex Rossi coming close in recent years, and Colton Herta becoming a phenom the past couple seasons as well. It's already been announced the Andretti team will be dropping Hunter-Reay in favor of Romain "the self-proclaimed phoenix" Grosjean for the #28 car next year, but there could be further shuffling. In any case, they'll be hoping Big John brings the heat and Rossi shakes off the bad luck of the last few seasons.  Rahal-Letterman-Lanigan Racing Honda Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #15 Graham Rahal / #30 Takuma Sato / Part-time: #45 Various A successful racer and Indianapolis 500 winner, Bobby Rahal was an owner-driver for almost a decade in the 1990s in IndyCar before retiring in 1998 (we still miss the Miller Genuine Draft paint scheme). Story time: At the end of 1989, former team owner Pat Patrick was supposed to wind up his team, with star driver Emerson Fittipaldi and his Marlboro sponsorship going to Penske, and the rest of the team assets going to form the basis of Chip Ganassi Racing. Well, ol' Pat still had the bug, and wound up picking up the Alfa-Romeo engine project and its racing team. They then wound up in legal and financial trouble by the end of 1991, which is when driver-to-be Rahal wound up picking up the team. So two failed editions of Patrick Racing are still seen on the grid even today! After retiring, Bobby Rahal remained a team owner, generally running two cars. The team has fluctuated in its successes since then, with his son Graham developing into a regular front-runner and race-winner but not always in the top three of the championship. They've also won the 500 a couple times, most recently with Takuma Sato. Also, yes, they are part-owned by Indiana native David Letterman. He's often in the pits for races.  Arrow-McLaren SP Chevrolet Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #5 Pato O'Ward / #7 Felix Rosenqvist / Indy Only: #86 Juan Pablo Montoya A team with nearly 20 years of history, former driver Sam Schmidt started his team after suffering an accident that left him a quadriplegic. The team ran steadily until the post-2012 era, when then-rookie Simon Pagenaud started with the team. Arrow sponsorship came on a few years later, and with it James Hinchcliffe, race wins, and a much higher profile. Finishing second with Pato O'Ward this season has been a remarkable climb for the team, and it wouldn't be surprising if they expanded to running three cars full time in the future. McLaren's motorsports credentials are not in question, and their own IndyCar history even goes back a surprising amount of time -- McLaren chassis won the Indy 500 a number of times in the 1970s. After then-driver Fernando Alonso came over to run the Indy 500 a few years back, interest grew, and under Zak Brown, the possibility to first 'sponsor' and then own part of the team became more likely. The British team has now taken ownership and Arrow has extended their sponsorship, so they should continue to grow in coming years.  A.J. Foyt Enterprises Chevrolet Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #14 Sebastien Bourdais / #4 Dalton Kellett / Partial season: #11 Charlie Kimball / Indy only: #1 J.R. Hildebrand The original owner-driver team, A.J. Foyt ran his own cars on the open wheel scene from the 1970s until his retirement in the early 1990s. An oval specialist and one of the last drivers who had experience with old-school front-wheel-drive Indy racers, Foyt even in the '80s and '90s was more living legend than legitimate victory threat, though the old #14 Copenhagen cars definitely had a classic look. One of the first teams to jump out of CART and into the IRL when it started, A.J. Foyt's team had success on that side of the split. The small group hasn't had the resources or the luck ever since, though Takuma Sato did get his first win in a Foyt car in 2013. That remains the team's most recent win, though with Sebastien Bourdais the team has recovered a bit.  Ed Carpenter Racing Chevrolet Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #20 Conor Daly / Ed Carpenter (ovals) / #21 Rinus VeeKay / Indy only: #47 Daly Steady Ed's team is one that grew during the IRL era. It helps to have your step-dad buy a team for you, I suppose. Carpenter's not an absolute pay driver, though, especially on ovals -- you could even say that when Tony George thought about CART cutting off "American drivers who grew up on short ovals," he might be thinking of his step-son. Carpenter's team has become a solid small outfit, with enough engineering know-how to jump up and compete at many events. Carpenter himself is getting up in age but still a solid hand in ovals (with a remarkable record at Indy 500 qualifying for such a small team), and young Dutch driver Rinus VeeKay has earned a win for the team this past season. We'll see if they keep local boy Conor Daly (son of Irish former Formula 1 and CART driver Derek Daly), who's becoming a real IndyCar journeyman himself.  Meyer Shank Racing Honda Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #60 Jack Harvey / Part season: #06 Helio Castroneves The little sports-car team that could. After a history of running various cars in IMSA, Mike Shank fulfilled a life-long dream by forming an IndyCar team in 2017 after unsuccessfully trying to jump over as early as 2012. With support from Andretti Autosport and sponsors SiriusXM and AutoNation, they've grown from doing a couple races a year to having a full-time driver and somebody with a partial season. Jack Harvey has helped build the team up from 2017, while former Penske driver Helio Castroneves joined for the part-time car in 2021. And what a chance that turned into for Helio -- he won the Indianapolis 500 in 2021, becoming the fourth four-time winner of the '500' (and first non-American to do so). Riding that momentum, it's very likely they'll expand to two cars for more of 2022.  Dale Coyne Racing Honda Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #18 Ed Jones / #51 Romain Grosjean / Part time: #52 Cody Ware / Ryan Norman In the true spirit of Dale Coyne Racing, I'm going to leave this for last and as "TBD" until the very last minute. ...in all seriousness, the small Chicago-based team has built itself (and sustained since 1984) on pay drivers, cutting costs and maximizing their opportunities. Even the fact that this season both entries this year are co-branded (Coyne with Rick Ware Racing, and Coyne with Vasser-Sullivan) says a lot to the "hustling to get to the grid" spirit. Coyne's team has seen the following IndyCar pay drivers of lore step through its doors: Hiro Matsushita, Tarso Marques, Gaston Mazzacane, Milka Duno, Ana Beatriz, and more. But that doesn't mean the team is awful! Because IndyCar is so close these days, engineering and driver ability play a big part. Sebastien Bourdais won races with the #18 car a couple years back, and Romain Grosjean became incredibly close to wins in his rookie IndyCar season this year.  Carlin Chevrolet Engines | 2021 Driver Lineup: #59 Max Chilton / Conor Daly (ovals only) A big-time team in junior formulae series in Europe, Carlin first added Indy Lights and junior teams in the U.S. before adding an IndyCar team in 2018. The team has rotated around driver Max Chilton, who's dad's company sponsors the team and partnered with Carlin in the 1990s. Chilton continues to drive on the road courses for the team, with Conor Daly (who steps out for Ed Carpenter on ovals) taking the car on ovals this past year. Time will tell if they'll return back to the two cars they ran in earlier seasons.  Juncos Hollinger Racing Chevrolet Engines | 2021 Driver: #77 Callum Ilott (part season) Ricardo Juncos is a real stereotypical American rags-to-riches story, starting his career off in his native Argentina as a karting and junior formulae team owner, before starting American junior teams in 2009. The team ran in IndyCar on a very low budget from 2017 to 2019, and while the intent has always been to return, it was a pleasant surprise to see Juncos return with Formula 2 standout Callum Ilott, running in three races in 2021 at the end of the season ahead of a full year in 2022.
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Dale Coin Racing with Rick Ware Racing That write-up is excellent harperdc, thanks I didn't know much of this stuff yet either
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ScooterMcTiny posted:Hell yea that’s great thank you. Was talking to my dad during the race today about how much easier it is to follow the teams in F1 since the liveries are all the same. I would add that a huge part of Indycar is its history. Every fan, literally every fan, is nostalgic for a different era, and trying to build indycar back to that. This nostalgia has almost killed the sport twice. The indycar channel on youtube has historic races going back to the 1960s and there are some good documentaries about it. nascarman has a good series about the split on youtube, and the documentary "Rapid Response" is quite an interesting look at IndyCar safety (though a little heavy on the crash footage, so don't watch it if that isn't your thing)
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I'll also strongly recommend Empty Box's videos on AOWR history, and if you want a deep dive into probably the single most catalyzing thing in the second Split, Beast by Jade Gurss.
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Vasukhani posted:I would add that a huge part of Indycar is its history. Every fan, literally every fan, is nostalgic for a different era, and trying to build indycar back to that. This nostalgia has almost killed the sport twice. The indycar channel on youtube has historic races going back to the 1960s and there are some good documentaries about it. nascarman has a good series about the split on youtube, and the documentary "Rapid Response" is quite an interesting look at IndyCar safety (though a little heavy on the crash footage, so don't watch it if that isn't your thing) Oh yea very aware of the history. I was born in Indy and grew up with Memorial Day Weekend as the most important weekend of the year. I've been to the 500 ~10 times, but never had more than a passing interest in the rest of the year until now. Harper's effort post is so great, and I started the Dixon doc last night which is pretty fun!
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