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The goal is very clearly to build a US-style system where every involved franchise is worth billions and can only lose value by the entire league going under, individual performance has no impact.
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About the only thing I can see having any real impact here is if the players go against it. Even busting the teams down the domestic tiers isn't going to bother them if they can operate the money printing machine in the meantime.
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Apr 19, 2021 00:41
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ilmucche posted:Just make it all home and home knockouts, random draw. This already got removed because of the big clubs crying that they wouldn't get a second chance after a freak result against a bunch of Norwegians, no way would they let it back. The 'shitload of boring mismatched games' problem is a direct result of the 'give us more shots to qualify to the latter stages' requests of the larger clubs, it's incredibly loving hypocritical of them to use that as a reason the competition is bad now.
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Apr 19, 2021 14:30
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it's not just americans with the dipshit takes, everyone settle down https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1384219019390033927
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cadfael posted:I dont see how this would financially save leagues/clubs, is he having a laff? https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano this guy kindly did some transcipts of that interview
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Apr 20, 2021 00:06
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Karl Sharks posted:that sounds interesting as an american who isn't really tied to one team
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Apr 20, 2021 00:10
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Karl Sharks posted:yeah and how the gently caress am i supposed to watch that? I suspect you'll find a similar issue with any post-SL Premier League
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Apr 20, 2021 00:12
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FullLeatherJacket posted:https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/tenyears/ It's never going to be coefficients, it's going to be whoever opens the most valuable markets or otherwise brings financial reward to the rest somehow.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:18
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Karl Sharks posted:okay? but the person asked if anyone would want to watch the PL without them, i said i would in fact like to they didn't mean you personally they meant in general, and the supporting argument is the option for watching such a contest already exists and is not popular, so what you think might be neat doesn't matter
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Apr 20, 2021 00:21
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If you want a "balanced" competition you need to introduce a much more equal share of revenues down the league, which you can't do because the big names will use it as an excuse to break away and form a... Hey, wait, maybe we can do that now?
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Apr 20, 2021 00:26
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Scotlander posted:A league with the 6 of them gone would be brilliant and I'd watch a tonne of it I imagine, not sure the rest of the world agrees with me on that stance. Hell I'd watch it religiously out of spite
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Apr 20, 2021 00:30
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FullLeatherJacket posted:people from cspam got real mad when dudes said player salaries, but totally player salaries yeah, everyone thinks this angle means greedy players but it's actually greedy owners aiming for unsustainable glory, fuelled by the teams at the top who can pump the most money in come to think of it the end result of this being the nuking of the Big 12 and the realisation amongst owners that you actually can't grow revenues indefinitely is something that might help the game immensely, but then again the world is cursed so that's never going to happen
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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Budzilla posted:If you have a better adjective, I would use it. They are fans. The people you are describing are spectators. https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1384270431272652804?s=19
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Apparently the source for Perez's claim that "young people think games are too long" is the figures for people watching highlights on youtube, loving hell that's not because the games are too long it's because they're too expensive you dickhead
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Apr 20, 2021 12:13
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me stakeholders!!
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Apr 20, 2021 12:24
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peanut- posted:Brexit Means Brexit can't believe brexit saved football
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The DPRK posted:In good faith, what aspects of culture are you referring to? I can think of a couple, like the packed pubs beforehand and the walk to the ground, but I haven't been to a game for a few years now. Genuinely curious what you have to say about this. "Culture" is probably not quite the right way to describe it but I suspect what he's getting at is the feeling that everyone in the local area has a shared experience around matchdays, that sort of thing. As it becomes more about the money than the club, that feeling of belonging to a social endeavour gets replaced by what is essentially just brand loyalty. Vando fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Also that 6 already take a bunch of the TV deal money so everyone else, even with a reduced deal, probably gets at least back to where they've historically been revenue wise. Leicester and West Ham would probably lose out the most but you can't win them all, and it probably shouldn't be disastrous.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:24
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sassassin posted:What does this even mean though? Is the super league banning fans? Florentino Perez says he's doing this because it's what the fans really want, after all. He's saying he agrees with the fans, also lmao Perez is lying like every politician when it comes to something that means they benefit "actually this is what you want, trust me"
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Apr 20, 2021 14:36
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Karl Sharks posted:yeah i think it's a bit overdramatic/silly to say the pyramid will collapse because of 6 clubs leaving, yeah things will need to be adjusted/restructured but not like all the other fans will stop caring Ultimately, it depends on if those clubs leave and succeed elsewhere. If they do, it devalues the rest of the sport irrevocably because the demand won't be there. If they don't, it doesn't really matter because the sport is ultimately what makes the money, and the clubs are just where the appeal is most concentrated. If the Super League eats poo poo, the global audience won't give a gently caress about Liverpool, Man Utd etc because the new Ronaldos and Messis will be playing for Everton and West Ham.
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Jippa posted:I keep reading that owners/chairmen etc "didn't expect this reaction". That has to be nonsense right? I'm sure part of it is just angling for sympathy/planting the idea in people's heads that this response is too much
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:Perez is arguing that broadcasting payouts are on the decline so I think many of these owners don't even live in reality This is true though, the next round of contracts are predicted to be much reduced (because, you know, global economy on fire and all that stuff)
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Apr 20, 2021 16:24
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ya I can understand the PL trying to be diplomatic at this point though, all things being equal they still rely on the revenue that is generated from the big teams. So they're going to leave their options open as long as they can manage before they use the nuclear option. Bust them all down to tier 9 and make them go on a punishment lap of the lower leagues to redistribute some of that 'big name' revenue, meanwhile that gives the rest of the Prem a solid decade to establish themselves as big names in the meantime, so the power is somewhat distributed.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Arsenal somehow getting stuck in League 2 for two seasons feels right. Given there's only 3 promotion spots it's got to happen to someone 
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sassassin posted:Spending money is only part of the equation for success, though. Playing and coaching ability plays a huge part, and the best players can still lose to Palace on a wet Wednesday night. If all these clubs had to do was vastly outspend the competition they wouldn't need a closed shop super league, they're already doing it. There isn't a calibre of player out there that these clubs don't already have a functional monopoly on, that they would be able to reach if only they had another hundred million in the bank. Yes, the money problem in football is really two money problems, depending on how rich you are to start with. The first money problem is if you're a team that isn't a "big name" but are chasing the money that comes from performing at a historically big name level (or a Championship club trying to perform at a PL level, and so on down the tiers). You spend money in the hope that this investment turns into more money in future. It's a tough job, but not impossible. The second money problem is if you're one of the big name clubs already making a shitload of money. Congratulations! You're probably even profitable! Or at least pay a decent dividend to shareholders, which is what makes you valuable. In this position, your worry is if you gently caress up on the pitch too much, some of those revenue streams take a bit of a hit and all of a sudden your profit isn't going up year on year any more, and your asset value goes down. So you come up with the bright idea to never have to worry about loving up on the pitch any more, and here we are. The Super League!
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peanut- posted:Think it's much more that they have owners with absolutely zero appetite for actual political antagonism. Next time round they'll make sure to get the bribes in place first before announcing
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Apr 20, 2021 19:39
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ladies and gentlemen: we got him
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Apr 20, 2021 19:55
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rename the thread "European Super League Super Dead" tia
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Apr 20, 2021 21:24
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How does Barca have that much debt Turns out if you just keep buying whatever the hell players you like that starts to really add up in the red column
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Apr 20, 2021 22:26
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FullLeatherJacket posted:can we have a breakaway gangtag that says Super League Jegacy Fan in portuguese colours? seeing a parmos tag a solid decade after the original jokes makes me do a tiny fistpump every time, godspeed
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bawfuls posted:Did Barcelona spend a decade buying an endless stream of about-to-be-too-old strikers while neglecting their dogshit defense/goalkeeping? that's why it's the best comparison yes
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They could have probably made the league happen but it would have been without any kind of safety net of using the old system to prop it up during the initial years, so that's probably what scared them off it
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And the big clubs won't go for any standalone top tier that isn't closed off because they wouldn't be able to dominate it (so the brand is devalued) and they might get relegated (the entire club is devalued). Like, Barca and Real aren't going to trade a pretty much nailed on 2 horse race every year for a 12+ horse race where they also might get dumped out of the race entirely if they properly gently caress up.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:The UEFA Cup, it does nothing It would probably work best as a competition for teams that don't make it through the prelims of the CL, and with the winners automatically qualifying for the next CL. It will still be biased towards the richest remaining leagues, but at least it gives a chance to break through and be exposed to a global audience. It's not really possible to solve a lot of the problems in football without more equitable revenue sharing, and the problem is it isn't going to happen because too many of the teams taking all the money have voting rights that prevent any structural changes. Maybe a good punishment for the breakaway clubs would be losing those voting rights for x years, and in the meantime vote in a new system that prevents them reverting everything when they're allowed back.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Absolutely, although I will also continue to bang on with my thing that there's no outcome here where all clubs become inherently equal in a vacuum. There's no reason to have only just discovered that some clubs are bigger than others, that was the case in the 70s and 80s. Liverpool in their dominant period were very well funded. Brian Clough's Derby and Forest teams were very well funded, he absolutely didn't win the league by telling poo poo cloggers to pull up their socks and tuck their shirts in, and if your dad tells you that he did, you can put him in a home. The solution is spending caps, and the problem with that solution is the people with lots of money (and these people can and do change over time, but the philosophy remains the same) really don't want that because it means they can't throw money at problems if they're underperforming. If you try to patch the problem with revenue sharing, you have to either make the revenue sharing absolutely cast-iron equal or teams will just throw money at getting even a slightly bigger payout, and the problem continues.
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