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oxsnard posted:right, no disagreement here, but here's the difference: chauvin slowly and deliberately murdered someone who was already cuffed and subdued. This distinction absolutely matters to normies Yeah the average idiot is totally going to buy "HE HAD A SPLIT-SECOND CHOICE TO MAKE" as an excuse, the point is that you shouldn't act like that's a reasonable excuse or treat one killing as any different from another, because by doing so you feed that narrative
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PopZeus posted:the 911 call came in at 4:32 and the cops weren’t there until 4:44. assuming the call was about Ma’Khia trying to stab someone, we have to believe that unarmed people avoided murderous knife attacks for 10 minutes until the cops came and it became suddenly life or death in 10 seconds? youre putting way more thought into this than any cop ever would
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Apr 24, 2021 17:35
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i mean, he's not wrong that all we ever have to do is wait 24 hours and another pig will kill another innocent person
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Apr 24, 2021 17:38
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hey vaush how about you worry about the optics of my loving balls instead you loving dipshit
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im sorry this protest reason didnt do well in the focus groups, could you maybe table it and wait for the next opportunity? love the energy tho
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if you follow the current jurisprudence and the way laws are written, the killing of Ma'Khia Bryant was justified. but that's the point. the laws are trash. pure garbage. designed to dehumanize victims and lionize the hero cops whose brave resolve in the face of crisis lead to merely one dead teenager. society shouldn't be like this. a situation like this needed to be deescalated, not have some trigger happy lunatic roll up with his hand on his gat and blow away the perp(s) until order is restored. a girl is dead. the state killed her. abolish the police, abolish the state. we can make a new one.
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fascinating that instead of recognizing the multitude of cascading societal failures that culminated in the wrongful death of this child there are posters whose takeaway is “knives aren’t dangerous”
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Apr 24, 2021 17:59
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Reality Protester posted:if you follow the current jurisprudence and the way laws are written, the killing of Ma'Khia Bryant was justified.
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my bony fealty posted:its from the Socialist Rifle Association rofl lmao
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jarofpiss posted:fascinating that instead of recognizing the multitude of cascading societal failures that culminated in the wrongful death of this child there are posters whose takeaway is “knives aren’t dangerous” agreed with the first part but who’s saying knives aren’t dangerous? the issue is that the cop (as encouraged by the broken system) felt his only recourse was to run in guns blazing. when all you have is a hammer...
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Apr 24, 2021 18:07
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jarofpiss posted:fascinating that instead of recognizing the multitude of cascading societal failures that culminated in the wrongful death of this child there are posters whose takeaway is “knives aren’t dangerous” No one is loving arguing you can't kill somebody with a knife, they're arguing that a cop saw a black girl with a knife fighting other kids and instead of trying to break up the fight in any way at all whatsoever he just went "lol free kill ez game ez life"
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Apr 24, 2021 18:11
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:posted this in the cool zone but that was before i found out this thread is here: wait so Ma'Khia was defending herself? lol eat dogshit anyone who is defending the pig cop killing a teen
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Apr 24, 2021 18:11
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Apr 24, 2021 18:25
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spacemang_spliff posted:wait so Ma'Khia was defending herself? l think we’re still not sure about that. what really is confusing me though is that apparently the 2 other girls were formerly also fostered by Bryant’s foster parents, which makes me wonder why the person who appeared to be Bryant’s foster dad tried to soccer kick the girl on the ground.
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Apr 24, 2021 18:49
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the situation is complicated, i say, having already decided that the black child with a knife is predisposed to violence
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Apr 24, 2021 18:54
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Proletarian Mango posted:Shooting Ma'Khia was wrong and anyone saying otherwise is wrong. 
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jarofpiss posted:fascinating that instead of recognizing the multitude of cascading societal failures that culminated in the wrongful death of this child there are posters whose takeaway is “knives aren’t dangerous” i agree, but i also understand trying to take a line that will work with someone who might be sympathetic to the ACAB side. you can maybe get them to agree to that and be closer to right in the head on an issue and then try to upload histomat into their brain later, idk
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jarofpiss posted:fascinating that instead of recognizing the multitude of cascading societal failures that culminated in the wrongful death of this child there are posters whose takeaway is “knives aren’t dangerous” you can just wrestle people with knives tho
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Apr 24, 2021 20:45
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Judakel posted:you can just wrestle people with knives tho this no one is saying a knife isn’t dangerous. but knives are a pretty common weapon in fights and it doesn’t have to end with the person with the knife being killed.
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Apr 24, 2021 21:08
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Judakel posted:you can just wrestle people with knives tho if you're posting about how the cop should have judo thrown the child instead of shooting her you've missed the point that the tragedy is the failure of society every step of the way that led her to the place where she's swinging a knife at people. once you're in this situation there's no good answer to it. all police killings are murder because of the role they fulfill for capital in society. debating the lethality of knives is dumb as hell (they're lethal as gently caress) and probably not the base to be having the discussion about what to do about cops in america. playing armchair tactician about how this was an "unjustified" shooting is missing the forest for the trees.
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jarofpiss posted:if you're posting about how the cop should have judo thrown the child instead of shooting her you've missed the point that the tragedy is the failure of society every step of the way that led her to the place where she's swinging a knife at people. once you're in this situation there's no good answer to it. all police killings are murder because of the role they fulfill for capital in society. debating the lethality of knives is dumb as hell (they're lethal as gently caress) and probably not the base to be having the discussion about what to do about cops in america. no, i am saying you don't call the cop out and you let the two teenagers wrestle Ringo Roadagain posted:this agreed op
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jarofpiss posted:if you're posting about how the cop should have judo thrown the child instead of shooting her you've missed the point that the tragedy is the failure of society every step of the way that led her to the place where she's swinging a knife at people. once you're in this situation there's no good answer to it. all police killings are murder because of the role they fulfill for capital in society. debating the lethality of knives is dumb as hell (they're lethal as gently caress) and probably not the base to be having the discussion about what to do about cops in america. Three grown men can easily pull a 15 year old girl off someone else, and doing so would be significantly less likely to cause serious injury than the nearly-guaranteed fatality involved in shooting said 15 year old girl four times in the chest while she is inches away from the person you're supposedly protecting by killing her No loving poo poo society failed that this scenario arose in the first place, no one is arguing "Cops are good except this one guy", they're arguing that this killing is inexcusable
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jarofpiss posted:if you're posting about how the cop should have judo thrown the child instead of shooting her you've missed the point that the tragedy is the failure of society every step of the way that led her to the place where she's swinging a knife at people. once you're in this situation there's no good answer to it. all police killings are murder because of the role they fulfill for capital in society. debating the lethality of knives is dumb as hell (they're lethal as gently caress) and probably not the base to be having the discussion about what to do about cops in america. lmao isn’t this the same dumb bullshit the mayor of chi-town said after Adam Toledo was murdered?
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jarofpiss posted:if you're posting about how the cop should have judo thrown the child instead of shooting her you've missed the point that the tragedy is the failure of society every step of the way that led her to the place where she's swinging a knife at people. once you're in this situation there's no good answer to it. all police killings are murder because of the role they fulfill for capital in society. debating the lethality of knives is dumb as hell (they're lethal as gently caress) and probably not the base to be having the discussion about what to do about cops in america. no, I'd say you're the one missing the point
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jarofpiss posted:if you're posting about how the cop should have judo thrown the child instead of shooting her you've missed the point that the tragedy is the failure of society every step of the way that led her to the place where she's swinging a knife at people. once you're in this situation there's no good answer to it. all police killings are murder because of the role they fulfill for capital in society. debating the lethality of knives is dumb as hell (they're lethal as gently caress) and probably not the base to be having the discussion about what to do about cops in america. what do you think the officer should have done besides shoot a kid to death op
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misadventurous posted:what do you think the officer should have done besides shoot a kid to death op no cops but i am always impressed by the martial prowess of goons
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rabble rabble posted:i don't think police officers in the field should be empowered with the right to summarily execute individuals, regardless of the acts that individual is supposedly engaged in
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jarofpiss posted:but i am always impressed by the martial prowess of goons
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In the early 2000s goons were talking about how they'd simply disarm a school shooter with a double reverse muay thai figure four crane kick but now they've overcorrected into Very Reasonably informing everyone that if anyone ever has the profound misfortune to see a knife, even a law enforcement officer who is ostensibly trained to deal with a situation like this, their brain floods with adrenaline and they enter panic mode and they're driven by pure animal instinct to magdump into a young black girl and they can't be blamed because, I assure you, you wouldn't be able to do anything better in a situation like that!
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Ringo Roadagain posted:no one is doing this. saying that the cops on scene could have tackled and restrained the person with the knife who's back was to them is not the same as saying the cop should have used krav maga to badassly disarm them imo the cop should have used krav maga to badassly disarm them
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cops are constantly getting huge funding influxes for "training" so why don't they learn krav maga instead of practicing shooting children
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:In the early 2000s goons were talking about how they'd simply disarm a school shooter with a double reverse muay thai figure four crane kick but now they've overcorrected into Very Reasonably informing everyone that if anyone ever has the profound misfortune to see a knife, even a law enforcement officer who is ostensibly trained to deal with a situation like this, their brain floods with adrenaline and they enter panic mode and they're driven by pure animal instinct to magdump into a young black girl and they can't be blamed because, I assure you, you wouldn't be able to do anything better in a situation like that! cops are trained to shoot at the slightest hint of movement similar to how a t-rex attacks
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jarofpiss posted:cops are trained to shoot at the slightest hint of movement similar to how a t-rex attacks one consistent thread in cop training over the years has been paranoia-infused DANGER PREPAREDNES. anyone could pull out a weapon at any time to kill you, civilians are all your sworn enemies just waiting for the chance to murder you
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jarofpiss posted:cops are trained to shoot at the slightest hint of movement similar to how a t-rex attacks yeah but the D&D lib line isn't "Ma'Khia was murdered because cops are trained almost exclusively to kill, and specifically black people at that" but instead "it was literally impossible for anything to happen except for either the other girl getting instantly stabbed to death our beloved hero cop pumping four rounds into a child with a steak knife"
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It owns that people are essentially saying that those "no more hesitation" targets that train cops to shoot kids with guns are actually a good thing.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:yeah but the D&D lib line isn't "Ma'Khia was murdered because cops are trained almost exclusively to kill, and specifically black people at that" but instead "it was literally impossible for anything to happen except for either the other girl getting instantly stabbed to death our beloved hero cop pumping four rounds into a child with a steak knife" i think because the first line is true, so is the second line. the point i'm trying to make is that debating the tactical realities of stopping an attempted stabbing in progress is much less important than everything that came before it. if we're just talking about how the police overreacted here we just get police trained in knife grappling, which solves nothing. i probably haven't been clear, but the police literally do not have the tools/mentality to do anything but brutalize and murder people. the posters arguing the cop had some other option than just firing wildly into a fight are incorrect. the cop did exactly what he was trained to do and by some miracle didn't kill three other bystanders in the process. the fact that this isn't even excessive when we're talking about police use of force is what makes this a bad debate to have on any situational level beyond a principled "the police are a murderous occupying force and should be disarmed and abolished and then tried at the hague"
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lol this is exactly like the "legitimate rape" thing from awhile back the cop murdered that teenaged girl because i don't believe she was an imminent life/death threat to the person she was brandishing a knife at, and even if she was going to take a stab, i would expect any peace officer tasked with protecting and serving to dive between them and possibly take a steak knife to the shoulder in the service of not killing ANY citizens. if you think him seeing a potential knife stab at someone justifies him to pull his gun and shoot-to-kill the teenaged girl you're arguing for the status quo, and you shouldn't be concerned with the "optics" of being against the status quo ever lmfao, the status quo of america is demonic misery
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