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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Probably Magic posted:

I've never argued there's a single true lens, case in point why I said it's hard to judge Assange because he himself sucks as a person. But you saying that the American media is not biased towards the military industrial complex just ignores history likes Operation Mockingbird but also just ignores the really obvious evidence of so many contributors to American media being, well, military people. The American media has been arguing for wars since at the Spanish-American War, this should be a neutral take at best. We just had a president who would get nonstop negative coverage that only took a break when he would drone strike Syria, at which point he "finally became president." The New York Times got us into Iraq, for god's sakes. When Facebook initially set up its fact checkers, they made sure to add the Weekly Standard to otherwise reputable agencies like Reuters and AP because it was so important for a war propagandist like Bill Kristol to have a say in sifting through information. Denying the relationship between the military and the American media makes all this handwringing about Russian influence absolutely dead. You're not doing media criticism, you're doing xenophobia.

And the media has only stopped Biden's honeymoon after he withdrew from Afghanistan. It's been comically obvious.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Gumball Gumption posted:

Capitalism can't fail it can only be failed

It's hard to understate just how much it's taught that any criticism of capitalism is by default invalid and unserious.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A recurring problem with social sciences seems to be people reading about exactly one thing, and then going charging out from the classroom wielding as a weapon to declare war on the world with.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Basically the foundation of the argument is: why the hell would anyone have to lie to make anti-American propaganda?

Now if you want to see what genuinely dishonest propaganda looks like, see the right wing culture war against trans people going around nowadays. And thing is, the people saying all that poo poo believe it. Even if they just made it up five minutes ago, they believe it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I've seen this before in a lot of contexts, a seemingly exclusively liberal obsession with 'good faith' and 'bad faith' and reading the tea leaves to try to tell the difference. It seems awfully convenient given it always seems to line up with trying to discredit people they don't like- and thus is almost exclusively used to punch left (albeit because that's where it may have actual impact for some reason, while the right is immune to hypocrisy) and to try to rehabilitate figures who have supposed good intentions despite a legacy of nothing but disaster. It's all just attempts at guilt and/or innocence by association while completely ignoring every bit of context.

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