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Ches Neckbeard posted:While Newsome is a very good CB prospect I am very whelmed with just what a predictable disaster the defensive front looks like. If we’re talking value, Newsome hitting is a longer cost savings than any DL who was on the board when we picked. Barmore is physically solid but not a guy you stick next to Garrett and Clowney with his tendency to freelance and go off script—can’t afford dudes who make mental errors and blow run fits or get levered when you only ever bring 4 in the rush. Tufele, Togiai, and Daviyon Nixon all could fit very very well in the middle of that defense and do 95% of what Barmore does as anchors—don’t love onwurizike there since I think his role would be occupied where downs that they move clowney inside. I’m reeeeally hoping for one of them.
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This slaps, and I'm really really mad that the Ravens took him because they're one of like 3 staffs out there that can probably develop him. Ches Neckbeard posted:It's weird that I really don't like Barmore at all but still come away worried. That whole front I mean, yeah. We have like 4 corners now who I feel pretty solid about, and if Delpit is healthy he should be better than like Andrew loving Sendejo was. The 1 year deals suck, but I'm sort of expecting us to pull quite a few DT/DEs out of the rest of the draft just because the depth of the position is from the 2nd/3rd round value. I'm mortified at the idea of a defense where we ask Greedy to take part in run fits, but Woods is so committed to just blanket coverage above all else that we're probably going to drop 7 forever. There's just not high-end guys in the front 7 for early rounds. Alternatively, draft Elijah Moore and find a way to make an offense entirely out of sub 6' receivers.
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Apr 30, 2021 16:25
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Ches Neckbeard posted:So who wants to give the Browns a 5th for OBJ? The analytics nerds want to pretend the Dorsey Era never happened lol. They seriously just redrafted Jabrill Peppers and brought in a speed receiver in day 2. Calling him Peppers is a bit severe. Jabrill never actually learned a position, played LB in college and then got asked to play safety despite essentially zero ball skills or positioning ability as a member of the secondary (return man poo poo doesn’t count). JOK is undersized but objectively a decent cover LB who isn’t a complete run fit liability. He pairs pretty well if they move Takitaki to the other LB spot or if they keep Phillips there. Walker should help keep the A gaps clean too. My biggest question is what they think they’re doing with DT. You can find a clone of Billings with better upside right now. Malik is old and probably will need to rotate as well. Could probably grab Nixon, Tufele, or Togiai and absorb those snaps without a huge drop off in run fits. You’re only keeping Malik out there in a rush situation anyways if clowney moves inside and you bring in Tak to edge rush. The genius of Schwartz is that he’s coming from an auburn offense where he had to block a shitload and won’t be shy about that from day one. What’s concerning is that he has run approximately 5 route patterns in his life, even if he’s horrifyingly good at them. Could be Corey Coleman, could be John Ross, could be Tyreek—literally anywhere between any of those is reasonable. If your goal is to develop DPJ and Higgins to take over when a Landry and OBJ are long in the tooth, he’s a decent compliment to those two.
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May 1, 2021 07:11
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Eifert Posting posted:He had the potential to be really good in college he was just limited by poor quarterback pla- Ohhhhh. Collins was objectively the best receiver on the Michigan offense for a few years, and the only guy that was close in DPJ has been a very very serviceable WR3/4 for the Browns already. My biggest knock on him is that he frequently would over complicate routes and catches like he was trying to force the coaches to believe he could do something and end up tied up with dudes he should be mossing. Consequently, his routes actually look a lot like what happens when like Auburn or other extremely limited passing teams get WRs in the league where they think they can solve the complexity of the offense by always stepping more which is one of those rules that’s true at first in college but not in the nfl. If college is about learning when to chop your steps and cut more precisely, the NFL is about using only the minimum steps it takes you to cut maximally. He’s still learning when to break things because of that offense and it’s lack of ability to develop him, but he’s athletically more than adequate to be an outside receiver in the league. Doltos posted:I give Jerry an A+ as always because a property tycoon that stumbled into an idiot selling one of the most valuable franchises in the history of the world is somehow better at evaluating talent than whole teams of scouts I got cussed out in the office once because I made the point that bengals fans making the excuse that a lack of front office staff means you can’t be too hard on lovely drafting is basically blown out the window by the fact that Jerry and his failsons routinely make half the league look like they’ve never watched a college game and run it just like a family office as well. Yes, mike brown is intensely lovely and runs the team like a power fantasy avenging all the wrongs he felt afflicted his father, but he still should know better than this if like a moron oil guy like Jerry can watch enough tape to get things sort of right. Like, there is something to be said for not over complicating poo poo and just taking guys who physically test well who dominated in college at some level. You don’t always have to talk yourself into insane project guys or “high floor but is it enough” and just draft dudes who fall somewhere between those two—they become all pros just as often.
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May 3, 2021 05:06
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Well, if we're going to post stupid grades and mocks, let's all laugh at a really really bad early mock Some notes: - There are absolutely not this many QBs I take in the 1st next year. Rattler is proooobably worthy of being a #1, but he's still got a to rein in some of his gunslinger tendencies--best velocity in the class. Howell is very talented and accurate but has some odd technical behaviors with his shoulder and feet, and the UNC offense is insanely limited in route trees and concepts which is going to skeeve some GMs immediately. Slovis plays a very similar system to Rattler but doesn't have quite the physical gifts--more of a Goff/Mayfield than a Kyler. If Desmond Ridder goes in round 1, I'm assuming Coronavirus has killed every single QB in division 1, because that dude is not accurate and has a baby arm. Malik Willis is a dude who has never actually put it together, but does have some crazy tools/air under his ball. If Howell is playing in a limited offense, Willis is playing in some Hugh Freeze high school bullshit and is going to look like a Jordan Love type prospect in the absolute best case scenario. It's a 2-3 QB class at the high end, with everyone else having some way bigger problems. - There are absolutely a bunch of good WRs next year. Pickens/Olave/Wilson/Metchie/Ross are going to be a really really solid set of guys just off of who is guaranteed to be available next year. Putting Ross that high coming off of spine surgery with a new QB is amazingly dumb when Pickens is already a better player. Olave and Metchie probably are the next two guys off the board and are purer speed guys who give up some size relative to Pickens or Ross. Wilson's going to be loved for starting all over the place in college. I just can't fathom Ross above any of the other 4 right now. - Pretty much every O-lineman listed is a project. Maybe Neal is the smallest project (lol), but there's no one on this list like a Sewell or Slater where people are marking their name in red for a year from now off of the full tape right now. - This edge class also makes no sense. Thibodeaux is a no-poo poo top 5 potential guy, but pretty much every other edge looks like a speed rusher right now outside of like, maybe Karlaftis. Every other edge listed is a speed specialist, which seems cool, until you remember that guys like Harrison weren't even the best edge on their team (Tyreke Smith) and Bonitto benefits from being in a league where you can be a 235 pound pass rusher who will immediately get bodied in the NFL. If I'm guessing, Engbare probably is the most likely dude to rise, but this really reads like they're just trying to pick guys from teams that will probably be good. - Mocking Leal to replace Danny Shelton is amazing. That's like 100 pound difference between the two, and Leal is emphatically not a nose. Next year's DT class probably has a lot of rush tackles and not nearly as many noses, so you're just...not likely to try to replace a nose early in a draft with no noses. - Breece Hall will run about a 4.6 and is absolutely not a first round value. - Not a single pure LB in the draft--other than an off-ball Bama tweener who looked good but was used heavily as a Fire zone player. - Stingley is the best CB in years, but Elam is very very good too. Gardner is absolutely not CB3. Just an absolute mess of a mock even by year early standards.
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May 3, 2021 19:45
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Ehud posted:Okay fine. Someone is going to compare him to RG3 and get a Russian lit length novel from me about how loving stupid they are as a result. Congratulations, Football Walter
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May 4, 2021 04:15
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Amy Pole Her posted:https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1389628143590313986 Like one of those dudes is equivalent to an adequate NFL pass rusher right now. Also, that quote calling BYU's offense pro-style...I don't know that I trust that person to park their car without several grisly fatalities. *sees PFF in title*, ah, now it makes sense.
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May 5, 2021 23:33
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Asleep Style posted:they meant the offense was provo-style People don’t realize it, but the best rate I ever got on the family dairy farm was from a broker in Utah. Provo-loan Doltos posted:Pressures and hurries are the assists of the NFL. His matchup beat him twice in that clip of highlights alone but I bet they didn't count a pressure on either of those because the right side collapsed first. I actually disagree with this a touch and would call them blocks/steals—tend to go up when you’re doing well but can be weird outliers that aren’t horribly predictive. Meanwhile, assists are more like group tackles where hilariously overrated linebackers like Zach Thomas get a metric ton of tackles but frequently get run over in solo situations by larger backs or linemen.
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May 6, 2021 03:18
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Amy Pole Her posted:Now say something nice about Jason Taylor OR ELSE Taylor rules, and Thomas should send him a loving thank you card every day of his life for the number of times he didn’t have to stare down like Jerome Bettis one on one over how disruptive and shedding Taylor was. Thomas got big counting stats but received a lot of attention as essentially a permanent walk-on. “Oh, hes undersized but he tries so hard and is always in position” *gets blown up by the TE* *gang tackles a running back*. He was fine, but anything less than a murderous defensive line and supporting backers would essentially guarantee he doesn’t get all those tackles.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:That doesn't make sense. There isn't a "don't need it" because football is competition. The difference between 23rd best at your position and 16th is tens of millions of dollars. One of the funniest things to me is still one of the Westside for Skinny Bastards credit claiming Cushing at one point. I guess he did totally nail the “do heroic amounts of TREN” portion of Westside.
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