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Something I wonder about the British numbers is what about new infections? We all know the reason our governments prioritised old people for vaccines after telling us all year that they were just going to die anyway is just to get the death count down. Have new cases also been drastically reduced or is it like here and we're just trying to stop people dying to get rid of the bad press?
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greazeball posted:I feel like someone upthread: when the numbers of new cases per day is finally at something lower than loving crazy number like it is now, then I'll start thinking about doing some indoor or crowded stuff. In about 6 weeks, after my second dose settles in, I'll feel a lot better about going shopping, taking the train and stuff like that. The guilty pleasure I don't know when we'll be able to do again is going to the sauna/baths. I love a day relaxing in saunas and whirlpools and chilling in the sun or shade. It'll be a while before I look at a steam bath with anything but horror. mine's bars and pinball tournaments and i'm still a long way out from either of those. maybe july, more likely halloween/thanksgiving. i just don't want to do it if i have to wear a mask i texted one of the people that runs a pinball room here and told them i'd drop soooo much coin if they had a vaccine passport night. i was serious. she just loled oh also public pools...nah. just nah
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May 5, 2021 17:07
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greazeball posted:Something I wonder about the British numbers is what about new infections? We all know the reason our governments prioritised old people for vaccines after telling us all year that they were just going to die anyway is just to get the death count down. Have new cases also been drastically reduced or is it like here and we're just trying to stop people dying to get rid of the bad press? We’ve gone from 60k at Christmas to 2k/day. But it almost seems too good to be true compared to other countries graphs idk it’s absolutely fuxkin amazing. The scientists who developed the vaccines should be given anything they want.
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May 5, 2021 17:11
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Bape Culture posted:We’ve gone from 60k at Christmas to 2k/day. Absolutely 100% agree with that last bit. The only person who will deserve a bigger reward is the one who figures out how to get more than 60%of people to take it.
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May 5, 2021 17:17
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Just got my second Moderna as of like an hour and a half ago. Maybe in a few weeks I'll be able to do something with a woman I met in March... Of last year...
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May 5, 2021 17:19
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greazeball posted:Absolutely 100% agree with that last bit. The only person who will deserve a bigger reward is the one who figures out how to get more than 60%of people to take it. See in the U.K. our vaccination numbers are radically different to the U.S under the surface. We have gone by age group, with additional people like the vulnerable and carers. So it’s 51% of the entire population who have had one shot but ALL of them are over 40 years old, or high risk of catching or spreading to high risk, and there is very little vaccine hesitation. It was a huge gamble going for AZ and 11 weeks apart but it’s paid off, and it wouldn’t have worked if it wasn’t AZ because the vaccination centres that were set up at the start didn’t have any fancy equipment - it’s pubs/concert arenas/theatres/town halls, and each person gets shown to a chair, a old person who has no sympathy and will stab you if you try to escape, holding a syringe, and a fridge. When the enquiry happens Dr Chris Whitty, our Dr Fauci, deserves a knighthood and a parade, which he won’t get, because this god drat hero has been perfectly happy to take all the flack and ire from angry boomers if it means getting it done.
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May 5, 2021 17:44
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DemoneeHo posted:I'm debating whether i should get an antibody test or not. It's been 2 weeks since my second moderna dose. Between having no side effects from the shot and that recent survey of patients on certain immunosuppressants (i take one of those) not having detectable antibodies, i'm worried that i didn't respond to the vaccine. I'm in the same boat as you and feeling similarly about just how vaccinated I might really be. I got my shots just before I saw a paper where some rheumatologists were suggesting postponing your regular drug regimen if possible and safe to do so for the week after getting vaccinated and now there's that tiny kernel in my brain wondering if I've goofed it up for myself  .I know antibodies aren't the be-all end-all to the immune system and that we just don't have the data to make a concrete claim or recommendation, but it still makes me feel a little antsy, y'know  .Thank god vaccine uptake is good in my area, but I can't imagine I'm ever going to want to eat in a restaurant again, lol.
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May 5, 2021 17:48
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learnincurve posted:When the enquiry happens Dr Chris Whitty, our Dr Fauci, deserves a knighthood and a parade, which he won’t get, because this god drat hero has been perfectly happy to take all the flack and ire from angry boomers if it means getting it done. even when i hear the chuds grumbling about him at the barber or at the bagel place or whatever, they're talking about how lovely it must be to have Fauci's job and im inclined to agree
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May 5, 2021 17:54
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Whitty was the guy who decided to vaccinate the second time after 11 weeks, it was in part a gamble but based off his knowledge and research. They think he saved 68,000 lives so far. The guy even spends Christmas/New Year/Easter/Bank Holidays doing his regular doctor thing on the covid wards so someone else can take the holidays off.
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May 5, 2021 18:20
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I got poo poo to say about this. I avoid Covid talk with my family because the situation for them (in the US) is complex and ... for lack of a better term, "consumery". Like, the vaccine is basically first come first served there, so they talk to me like it is here. In the UK where I live, as already explained in this thread, there is no action I can take really to get a vaccine quicker. I'm not old enough to get it yet. People get contacted by their doctors or whatever? I don't even know, but at the very least I don't just call the right phone number for people in the know and get an appointment before some oldie who's more vulnerable. They seriously don't get it and ask me all the time when I'm going to get a vaccine. The NHS has gone about this the right way and that means that I'll get it when I get it. They're just so used to the "smarter" or richer people getting what they want first they can't imagine a system that actually phased eligibility in a scientifically and humanistically justified way. Second, has anyone seen any actual press about people for whom the vaccine doesn't work? I have an immunocompromised mother who got both shots and tested negative for antibodies. Obviously those antibody tests aren't great, but that's put a pretty big damper on her chances of ever feeling like she can normalize her life. I just want people to know that the vaccine is part of making a world safe enough for people like her for whom it may have had little benefit. Thirdly, has anybody been reading up on Cuban vaccine efforts? With the whole straight up evil situation with American companies clinging to vaccine patents that have already paid for themselves, and even the 97% publically funded AZ vaccine seeming to be totally privatized money-wise, I think India and much of the non-rich world might end up depending on one of these: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/latamcaribbean/2021/03/31/cubas-five-covid-19-vaccines-the-full-story-on-soberana-01-02-plus-abdala-and-mambisa/ Remember in like 2017-2018 when stories came out that Cuba had developed a vaccine for lung cancer? They've used their expertise in that particular vaccine format to create a unique "conjugate" Covid one that uses the same tetanus toxoid to increase immune response. They're also collaborating with China (as in, they provide the expertise, China provides "resources") on a "pan-covid" vaccine targeting bits of the virus' genetic material that are most stable and least likely to mutate. Meaning a vaccine that can target all variants. I am not a scientist so don't understand the details but this all sounds cool. I don't know how Cuba would plan to distribute it but they're already Phase III trialing it in Iran, Venezuela, Pakistan and so on. I expect they'd want to make some money off it given they are an extremely poor country shut out of their biggest export market, but it might be a ray of hope for freedom-of-vaccine hopes to slow down the hellish stuff happening in India if the trails are successful. I doubt they'd, like Pfizer, demand countries offer up sovereign assets like military bases for collateral against potential vaccine lawsuit damages or whatever.
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May 5, 2021 18:23
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I talked to a old lady today and we didn't wear masks or be weird because we're both vaxxed and were outside. It was nice to make a new friend.
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May 5, 2021 18:25
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I'm going to the gym today to work out for the first time in a year+. It's just the tiny gym at my apartment complex, and it'll just be me and my girlfriend and we'll probably wipe down the stuff we use first. Still, pretty pumped. The pool is open now too which is good since it's getting hot as dick boar guy posted:are buffets allowed to operate rn? they aren't where i live Vegas just reopened self-serve buffets and it probably has more of those than anywhere else. I don't see myself using one of those for a long time though if ever. My work is having a big conference relatively soon and I'm kinda worried since people will be coming from all over abs there are pretty much guaranteed to be some anti - vaxxers and anti - mask chuds there.
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May 5, 2021 18:31
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boar guy posted:yeah, some things i probably won't ever do again include eating at a buffet and sitting shoulder to shoulder in a packed movie theater for a summer tentpole release. i think the only way you're ever getting me back in a movie theater is taking me to the bougie recliner-based one that only seats like 80 I can't wait for buffets and theatres personally. Of course I usually only go to the "bougie" recliners one that costs the exact same amount as the old busted seats lovely one across town. When I want to feel fancy I spring for the DOLBY one. The seats are actually a little worse, but you can't argue with the picture and sound quality. Great for bright colorful things like Pixar movies and Marvel poo poo
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May 5, 2021 18:33
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The Bloop posted:I can't wait for buffets and theatres personally. oh by the bougie one i mean the one with tasteful low lighting and sick recliners and reserved seating and wait service and $14 vodka tonics
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May 5, 2021 18:36
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:
I work with immunocompromised kiddies (till end of July then I’m moving to adults care as my charge is Y14) and the anacdotal stuff we are hearing is that they are going to carry on as is and are well ahead of schedule to get all 17 year olds and above vaccinated before September 1st. They are going to make the call to decide if kids will get vaccinated in August, and the pencilled in plan is to then split the vaccination centres off for boosters and do the kids in school. You mum should be watching the new case numbers and new case numbers only, when we hit true herd immunity they won’t be hovering around the plateau they are at now but there will be a sharp drop to under 50 new cases a day (predicted airport positives). Your mother may then put mr boombastic by shaggy on as loud as possible and dance like she just don’t care.
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May 5, 2021 18:37
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Good friend of mine just went into the hospital for covid and associated complications from it.
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May 5, 2021 18:40
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Vaccinated people will stop testing, so the positivity rate will not be reflective of the virus circulation. This will make it harder to track the spread of variants.
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May 5, 2021 18:55
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compshateme85 posted:Vaccinated people will stop testing, so the positivity rate will not be reflective of the virus circulation. This will make it harder to track the spread of variants. No they probably won’t. At this point if someone comes down with COVID symptoms vaccinated or not they will most likely get tested.
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May 5, 2021 18:58
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Getting my single J&J vaccine in about an hour. 
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May 5, 2021 18:59
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PathAsc posted:Good friend of mine just went into the hospital for covid and associated complications from it. Hopefully they heal up fast and they're out soon  MarcusSA posted:No they probably won’t. in some areas
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May 5, 2021 19:00
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:I talked to a old lady today and we didn't wear masks or be weird because we're both vaxxed and were outside. You are history’s greatest monster 
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May 5, 2021 19:02
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U.K. is doing a staggering amount of testing, don’t get me wrong we well deserved the title plague island but when the politicians sod off and let the doctors decide what’s safe and let NHS do it’s job, they are something special. No we are not catching every case but the testing we are doing is a good indicator. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
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May 5, 2021 19:06
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MarcusSA posted:No they probably won’t. Tracking asymptomatic spread will probably be harder, assuming that there is any significant amount of asymptomatic spread among the vaccinated. I kinda doubt it, though, given what the studies have shown.
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May 5, 2021 19:06
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We are testing the school kids. I would imagine if you suggested that in America a 1000 protect the children groups would murder you to death for it though.
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May 5, 2021 19:09
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compshateme85 posted:Vaccinated people will stop testing, so the positivity rate will not be reflective of the virus circulation. This will make it harder to track the spread of variants. Aussie here. My state currently has a community transmission case and all close contacts have to isolate regardless of vaccination status. Casual contacts have to get tested regardless of vaccination status if they develop symptoms.
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May 5, 2021 19:13
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this thing is never going away, it's just going to become seasonal
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May 5, 2021 20:40
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Detheros posted:Getting my single J&J vaccine in about an hour. All done, my 5g fully takes hold in 4 weeks
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May 5, 2021 21:06
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OMGVBFLOL posted:this thing is never going away, it's just going to become seasonal Yeh everyone’s going to get a booster along with the flu shot, and masks on public transport is never going away. One thing we learned is that people in the U.K. are filthy buggers, and if we had done basic hygiene before this then most of those flu deaths were preventable as well.
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May 5, 2021 21:10
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Bape Culture posted:We’ve gone from 60k at Christmas to 2k/day. Wasn't the UK also in lockdown for like four months from New Year's?
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May 5, 2021 21:25
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I'm scheduled for my second moderna shot tomorrow morning and my roommates that same afternoon. I'm getting Moderna and he's getting Pfizer, should he interesting to see how our 2nd dose effects compare. Neither of us had any issues with the first shot.
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May 5, 2021 21:27
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freebooter posted:Wasn't the UK also in lockdown for like four months from New Year's? Yeah. We came out of it mostly a few weeks back. Everyone was still going to work though. Schools were back etc. So it still seems very very promising that the vaccine is working amazingly. We’ve all but stopped international travel too. Need tests and have to pay £1750 to stay in a quarantine hotel for 10 days.
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May 5, 2021 21:32
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Aardvark, can we get the previous thread archived or goldmined or something? It will be a useful contemporaneous primary source in the future and it's filled with a ton of things worth preserving. I myself have used the SA corona threads every day for information as well as for research purposes as I'm writing a history of this pandemic
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May 5, 2021 21:45
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I second that, the thread is too useful as a timeline of how things progressed to let it die away.
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May 5, 2021 21:48
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I have moved it to The Goldmine, which was made for just such occasions.
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May 5, 2021 21:50
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Aardvark! posted:I have moved it to The Goldmine, which was made for just such occasions. Thank you!!! It's greatly appreciated. Would you be willing to drop a note to the D&D mods requesting they do the same when their thread runs out?
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May 5, 2021 21:51
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learnincurve posted:Yeh everyone’s going to get a booster along with the flu shot, and masks on public transport is never going away. Today was my first day at the gym after like 2 years. Everyone was washing and spraying their stations and weights, keeping distance because each workout station is now a box etc. I remembered how gross gyms were beforetimes and like "now it wasn't that hard to clean up benches, was it?". I know it will fade away soon (?) but it felt better to see everyone dutifully cleaning everything before and after they use them.
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May 5, 2021 21:55
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Galewolf posted:
Where I work they provided us with 70% IPA and disposable wipes to clean our shared workstations with in the first time I did it I pulled a horrible yellow film off of everything. People give me and some of the others grief for being a germaphobe but what they don't understand is our work area is the cleanest it's ever been because they actually are giving us stuff to clean it with for once. We do a lot of electrical soldering work and we consistently pass our lead contamination tests now thanks to this.
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Bape Culture posted:Yeah. We came out of it mostly a few weeks back. Everyone was still going to work though. Schools were back etc. So it still seems very very promising that the vaccine is working amazingly. Yeah, if comparing directly to the US (which has more or less the same percentage of adults fully vaxxed) I'd say the lockdown, even if most people were still at the office etc, would be what accounts for that huge difference. I know it differs from region to region but my impression of the US is that there's been basically no restrictions at all across huge swathes of the nation.
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Got my second Pfizer shot next friday, looking forward to some crazy rear end fever dreams, anything to escape the monotony at this point.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Immunocomprobud here. Do the antibody test if it'll help you feel better. You should be okay to go, but caution is always a great thing. It can also make you feel worse if it says no antibodies even though those are just one part of your immune response. An antibody test isn’t going to detect T and B cells for it, which are very important.
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