|
Fluffy Bunnies posted:I don't know why the US is so averse to tracking. We could all do these things so much safer if we were tracking like many other countries do because people would know they were exposed when others in their vicinity (like that Chinese buffet) happen to pop positive Contact tracing is pretty much pointless when daily cases levels are above a certain point because it'd be pretty much impossible to share that information with the community in a timely manner. If your county regularly gets 50 positive cases a day and each of those cases probably visited 5 or more public places in the days before they tested then the local government would have to issue a list of over 250 locations/times every day and ask everyone to check the list each time it comes out and if they visited any of those locations during those times to then go get tested and quarantine until they got their result. Of course that's assuming that every person who tests positive will even agree to cooperate with the contact tracers, which we know isn't happening. Another option is to have QR codes in every shop, school, library, etc so people can sign in whenever they visit or to use a phone app which registers when people get within a certain distance of anyone else with the app and I can't imagine that either of those would be all that successful in the US. Of course venues should still announce when they've had an outbreak among the staff or something but I'm sure they'd be under a fair amount of pressure to just not mention it. Anecdotally I've already heard from a bunch of people in the US that their offices don't tell them when someone in the company has popped positive, and there's lots of stories about schools not telling parents when a kid's classmate has popped positive because they'd got real stupid ideas about what constitutes a "close contact" because they're already running low on staff and they want to minimize the number of kids that go into quarantine. We had a single case of community spread in Sydney Australia on Wednesday and we're mobilizing a huge amount of resources to contact trace this one guy and so far we haven't been able to figure out how this one random dude (who doesn't work in quarantine services and hasn't traveled overseas) even came into contact with the virus in the first place. We were able to figure out via genomic sequencing that the original source was a specific person who is already in hotel quarantine but we haven't been able to figure out any connection between the two cases, so there has to be at least one other infectious person out in the community we can't find. The health department has issued a list of the venues the man visited in the days before he got tested:  .... and the area of Greater Sydney (over 5 million people) have been placed under a raft of restrictions until at least Monday: quote:- No more than 20 guests (including children) to gather in a household
|
#
¿
May 6, 2021 04:17
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 20, 2024 23:43 |
|
|
I guess we should also mention this in this thread: https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1390021145911513089 E: LOL https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1390023742194061312
|
|
#
¿
May 6, 2021 04:37
|
|
|
boar guy posted:that's going to be a problem for a lot of people. i know for a fact that people are all a little crazy right now; i had several parents come up to me after games I reffed and say stuff like 'sorry for yelling at you, i just haven't seen my kid play in so long' which on a personal level makes me go The aggro levels are crazy high right now quote:FAA warns of spike in unruly, dangerous passenger behavior Saros posted:So good news as long as you ignore the fact the UK still can't be arsed to do even the bare minimum quarantine and contact tracing. The fact that they mostly vaxxed their population with Sinopharm and Covishield prrrrrrrrrrrrrobably factored into the outbreak as well. E: I'm seeing a bunch of anti-vax fuckwits on social media whining "If Seychelles is the most vaxxed country in the world and they're still getting massive outbreaks then what is even the point of these vaccines??!??!???" Mr.Pibbleton posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qxtxIVtOZE He not only got the game cancelled, he got the entire NBA season cancelled (and the NHL, MLB and MLS followed soon after). But that chain of events was also what convinced a huge percentage of the US population that this virus thing is actually pretty serious and they should stop loving around with it so in a weird roundabout way Gobert's dumb stunt probably saved a lot of lives. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 7, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 7, 2021 02:44
|
|
but on a practical level i suppose i understand
|
Regarde Aduck posted:That article is all over the place in its implications. Yeah the news media have really been beating up the story. Here's where they're at with infections:  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/seychelles/ Their averaged rate peaked a few days ago at 145 cases. Which sound like not a lot at all, but since new year's they've had 6000 cases which is pretty significant for an island with a population of only 98,000 people. They've also only had 28 deaths on the island throughout the entire pandemic, but 8 of them were in the last week. E: of course that's only the numbers up to today, you never can tell where that exponential growth is going to end up Regarde Aduck posted:I mean it's an interesting case: If vaccines don't allow Seychelles to open their doors then how is a place like that, which depends mostly on tourism, going to survive? Hotel quarantine for incoming travelers. Asking for nothing apart from a negative PCR in the 72 hours before arriving is GUARANTEED to bring in cases, it's massively massively inadequate. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 04:35 on May 7, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 7, 2021 04:32
|
|
|
Platystemon posted:What are the implications? It also means there's a much much smaller number of people who developed natural antibody protection via infection than many people had been assuming
|
|
#
¿
May 8, 2021 14:05
|
|
|
QuarkJets posted:Out of 4262 confirmed infections among vaccinated individuals, 9 died. That's about 2 in 1000. That's compared to 32 unvaccinated individuals dying, out of 6100 confirmed infections, so a very nice reduction in infections, deaths, and everything in-between, but not the "one in ten million" chance that was being posted about earlier Yeah even though the media made a huge deal about how the vaccines were rated 100% effective against death it was always pretty much certain that we'd get at least some cases anyway given the vaccines' efficacy rate against infection, the increased severity of the variants and the fact that there's a LOT of people out there with serious pre-existing conditions. You roll the dice a couple hundred thousand or a couple million times and it'll happen eventually.
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2021 12:19
|
|
|
Lincolnstein posted:People really like drinking beer, eating Chinese food and going to watch other people play sports. Pity. The fools! They've doomed us all!!!!
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2021 15:19
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:Where I live we haven’t had any of these things since March 2020 This happened not that far from my neighbourhood about three weeks ago:  78,000 people jampacked into an arena, no masks required I'm in Australia, at that point we hadn't had any community spread cases of coronavirus for several months
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2021 17:08
|
|
|
Fenarisk posted:Just realized the vast majority are over it or given up. I'm in patient facing Healthcare and nearly the whole department has vacations and events and traveling planned starting in June. Australians still have to apply for government exemptions to travel overseas and tourism isn't allowed so it turns out they all decided to travel around Australia instead, which has massively boosted our own tourism industry and propped up our national economy. We actually had record back-to-back growth for two quarters thanks to the increase in domestic spending https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-unexpected-stimulus-how-the-closed-border-helped-save-the-economy-20210505-p57p7m.html ....... so if you hear anyone try to argue that "lockdowns ruin the economy" then tell them they're wrong
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2021 17:20
|
|
|
Lolie posted:We don't have no community spread. Right now we're under restrictions because of a community case. Yeah even Fortress Australia isn't immune to a sudden case of community spread popping up with absolutely no warning, it's an incredibly sneaky virus. I've noticed that people in Melbourne are getting super lax over the few pandemic restrictions we still have in place so we just have to hope that they keep getting tested if they get fly symptoms.
|
|
#
¿
May 10, 2021 08:26
|
|
|
Whoops, Melbourne Australia has another case of covid. This time it's a returned traveler who went through the full 14 day hotel quarantine over in South Australia and was released a week ago, when he flew back to Melbourne and went home. 4 days later he started developing symptoms, he got tested yesterday and his positive test result came through this morning https://twitter.com/VicGovDH/status/1391938437779836928 The current best guess is that he somehow got it from another returned traveler while he was in hotel quarantine, on his very last day of quarantine the person in the room next to him popped positive. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/victoria-covid-19-case-man-north-of-melbourne/100131038 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 05:16 on May 11, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 11, 2021 05:09
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1391864914571055113
|
|
#
¿
May 11, 2021 06:57
|
|
|
Der Kyhe posted:Well, at least it is nice to hear that the vaccination is working and places with herd immunity can go back to normal. Meanwhile in our Northern Socialist Hellscape The actual answer is that herd immunity isn't the point where the virus disappears, it's the point where the reproduction rate R0 = 1 and the virus stops increasing exponentially, and it's only once you pass that point that the numbers start getting lower. There's still going to be a long tail of cases & deaths after the herd immunity point has been reached. Of course if the government is also imposing other kinds of restrictions (masks mandates, social distancing, crowd limits etc etc) that'll artificially push the number of infections down and if they manage to keep them in place until herd immunity is reached that means the tail of cases & deaths will start from a much lower count and will be a lot shorter, but if they open 'er up prematurely cases will just shoot up all over again. The NY Times did an article about different paths towards herd immunity where they looked at how increases in vaccine supply/restrictions/variants will effect how quickly the population reaches herd immunity and the rate of deaths in each scenario and the obvious conclusion is "Increase vaccine production and for the love of god don't drop the precautions"  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/learning/whats-going-on-in-this-graph-covid-herd-immunity.html Note that I think their estimates for "total immunity" (number of vaxxed people + number of recovered infections) is incredibly optimistic and massively overestimates the number of recovered infections, plus their graphs which show vaccine supply continuing "at the current pace" obviously show an increase in supply, plus assuming that vaxx uptake will remain at a steady pace and not drop off at all or hit an upper limity thanks to vaxx hesitancy is also pretty naive. Also note that they don't cover the 5th scenario "vaccine supply continues at current pace, more contagious variants appear but we also ease up on restrictions" which is what most of the US seems to be doing
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2021 08:16
|
|
|
Uhhhh I guess this is good news???!?? https://twitter.com/MackLamoureux/status/1392122037175390210
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2021 11:54
|
|
|
Is anyone else weirded out by all the corporate PR tie-ins to the US pandemic? It started with free Krispy Kreme donuts but a whole lot of businesses are getting in on the act now. I haven't seen anything like this in Australia https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1392231056984707072 https://twitter.com/bangordailynews/status/1392177986384900102 https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1392167740354580484 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 12:25 on May 12, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 12, 2021 12:09
|
|
|
Fallom posted:Yeah bad Americans whatever. Why do we have to keep relearning lessons on what motivates huge chunks of our population? Should’ve set up a partnership with Coca Cola and Valvoline in the first place instead of wasting a ton of time appealing to a mental organ that doesn’t exist in half the people. The Trump administration actually went in the opposite direction and used the pandemic as an excuse to confiscate PPE shipments from the states in order to push corporate funding via backroom deals LOL
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2021 13:44
|
|
|
Well I haven't had even my first jab yet and what's more I don't know when I will and there's nothing you can do to hurry me along.  Because I'm in Australia and under 50 years old so I couldn't even get a vaccine even if I wanted to, and there's no official word on when I might be able to get it
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2021 15:45
|
|
|
Lolie posted:Australia seems to have settled on Moderna as the booster if choice for next year. ....... if we ever get around to approving it for use, which we haven't yet.  But there's no huge rush, we're jabbing arms at a leisurely pace quote:At our current pace of roughly 421,000 doses a week, we can expect to reach the 40 million doses needed to fully vaccinate Australia’s adult population in mid January 2023.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2021 09:37
|
|
|
Akuma posted:Is there any robust evidence that this is a concern? I thought the known variants weren't different enough to evade the vaccines, and that anything else was just hearsay and pessimism? Genuine question, I've probably missed something... Some of the mutations that we're seeing in variants apparently increase vaccine resistance. E484K (which is found in the Brazil B.1.1.28.2 variant and the South Africa 501.V2 variant) is the main one but E484Q (India B.1.617 variant) also looks iffy. A small number of the UK B.1.1.7 variant have been detected with the E484K mutation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2#Notable_missense_mutations
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2021 10:38
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:If U.K. fauci Dr Whitty says the current vaccinations work against the current Indian variant then I’m not going to believe a god drat word anyone else says Are you missing the difference between "evade" and "resist"? Just because the variants have a higher vaccine resistance doesn't mean the vaccines are suddenly useless, their efficacy against the variants is just lower Mozi posted:i'd rather listen to the science than make mask wearing into a political statement but you do you The article quoting Fauci says that people still need to wear masks outside in crowded situations
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2021 14:43
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:No, I’m saying I’m not getting my information off Twitter and the news. Take all the paranoia in this thread, make it a man and you got one Dr Whitty, so when he starts worrying I do. Well I'm real glad for you but it would perhaps help your case if you would post a loving link to whatever it was that Whitty said rather than shout at people, your current posting style is not contributing anything to the thread
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2021 14:58
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1392907170702839808 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 06:19 on May 14, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 06:17
|
|
|
Spinz posted:Ha Vaccinated people can now sing indoors with a choir without a mask even if some of the other people are unvaccinated. (Those unvaccinated people should be wearing masks, however) Edit: unless they're singing in a choir in a hospital, prison, homeless shelter, airport, airplane, bus or Uber. Everywhere else is just fine!
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 07:55
|
|
|
Also they have to be fully vaccinated, if they're within 2 weeks of their final shot they still have to mask up & socially distance https://twitter.com/davidalim/status/1392911339153154050
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 08:00
|
|
|
Also keep in mind that only 42.5% of adults in the US are fully vaxxed so if you're at an indoor venue or a very crowded outdoor venue you should expect to see almost 2/3 of the adults and nearly 100% of the children over 2 still wearing masks.  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 08:09
|
|
|
freebooter posted:I love how they say "we've gotten this far" as though America's overall pandemic response has been anything other than a worst-case scenario I love that they end with "please protect yourself until we get to the finish line" like uhhhhhhhhhh what's your definition of a "finish line" there dudes and when do you expect we'll get there
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 08:35
|
|
|
Meanwhile the UK is going in the other direction https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1392947865035681796
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 09:10
|
|
|
Snowglobe of Doom posted:Meanwhile the UK is going in the other direction The crazy part is that the Indian strain raging through the UK is the sublineage B.1.617.2 which for the most part doesn't even have the E484Q mutation. B.1.617.1 and B.1.617.3 both have the E484Q mutation but B.1.617.3 is rare and although B.1.617.1 is occurring a lot more frequently and is highly infectious it looks like B.1.617.2 outcompetes it. It looks like B.1.617.2 will even give the Kent strain B.1.1.7 a run for its money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_B.1.617 E: WHO has also bumped it up from Variant of Interest to Variant of Concern https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1391802341423190020 Variant of High Consequence is the one you really gotta watch out for but none of the variants so far have gotten enough power ups to reach that level of scariness Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 15:47 on May 14, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 15:31
|
|
|
BlackIronHeart posted:I don't expect that at all, and you can't convince me I should expect that in this reality. https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1392952564514238467 The official plan is "Just assume all adult Americans are rational actors who will make an informed decision and act in everyone's best interests" 
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 16:06
|
|
|
AHH F/UGH posted:Surely this will completely change the perception for chuds on Fauci since for so long they were angry and complaining that “I’M AN AMERICAN AND I’M AN ADULT I CAN DO WHAT I WANT” and now they can do that right Also Biden: https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1392935847863934987
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 16:19
|
|
|
The data is in!! Trust the science!!!! https://twitter.com/GovInslee/status/1392961734013378560
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 17:08
|
|
|
Meanwhile, in professional sports (one of the last places where everyone is still being regularly tested) https://twitter.com/DukeStJournal/status/1392951287847792644 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 14, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 14, 2021 18:31
|
|
|
Green Nail Polish posted:I'm really not confusing anything at all. Green Nail Polish posted:What exactly is your point? If you're trying to suggest the vaccines don't work because of the Yankees cases, I think it's just flat out wrong. No one loving said that you idiot, you've badly misinterpreted the entire conversation and you're screaming at a strawman you invented Also that Eric Topol guy you posted is full of poo poo, he hasn't seen the actual test results from the infected players so he's just making guesses Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 06:32 on May 15, 2021 |
|
#
¿
May 15, 2021 06:30
|
|
|
Also "The chance that [a breathrough patient] could spread covid is close to zero, yet to be documented" has some real "preliminary investigations found no clear evidence" energy https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2021 06:59
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:Fucks sake read the whole god drat sentence not just the bit of it you can cherry pick and “win” a non-existent argument over. You seem upset, friend Have a big warm CDC-approved maskless outdoors hug!!! 
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2021 12:32
|
|
|
Green Nail Polish posted:This isn't true at all. The vaccines greatly reduce the chance that you will contract Covid-19, and if you do get it, they even more greatly reduce the chance that you will get sick, and they even more MORE greatly reduce the chance you will be hospitalized. We don't actually have good information on how many breakthrough cases are occurring in the US, by design. The CDC decided to stop counting all but the most serious cases back in April and they're not interested in keeping any stats on the asymptomatic breakthrough cases quote:As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. The original vaccine trials mostly focused on symptomatic cases and even then a lot of them relied on the recipients to be self-reporting so they're not a great indicator of the prevalence of breakthrough cases, and most of the trials occurred before the nastier vaccine-resistant variants came about. There are lots of reported of fully vaccinated people in India being hospitalized and dying but the reporting over there is such a total poo poo show there's absolutely no way of knowing what their prevalence of extreme breakthrough cases might be
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2021 17:10
|
|
|
fat bossy gerbil posted:You know I’m actually all for the CDC saying masks off. Our government is far, far too evil and our population far, far too stupid to actually do what’s necessary to stop this so gently caress it, just let it run rampant. Unfortunately it'll mostly be minorities who get hosed over the hardest https://twitter.com/isaiah_bb/status/1393592908402597894
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2021 17:17
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:They are even beginning to say the lab evidence shows the current vaccines are all effective against the Indian variant Heyyy now that's some super vague wording there. Are they 100% effective? 90%?? 60%?? You pull this vague bullshit all the time, making these sweeping statements that don't have any actual facts or figures in them.
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2021 17:44
|
|
|
Pennywise the Frown posted:People can't just do whatever they want after they are vaxxed. They need to still take precautions. Jesus gently caress you guys. Hey the CDC wouldn't just lie to people about something like this, surely you must be mistaken E: you haven't even seen the worst of this yet, there's a bunch of school districts arguing that they should drop the mask mandates for kids immediately even though they're obviously not vaxxed up
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2021 17:45
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 20, 2024 23:43 |
|
|
learnincurve posted:The evidence shows that in the tiny number of breakthrough cases vaccinated people under 60 get a mild case which isn’t passed on, some very elderly and vulnerable people end up in hospital. Oh so you're claiming 100% effectiveness for people under 60? Are you sure you want to do that??
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2021 17:46
|
|