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ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib
https://www.daniclodedesign.com/thethirdthumb
Neuroplasticity lab working on testing mind body mapping for supernumerary limbs.

this design uses a Bluetooth receiver attached to your foot thats affects the grip of the third thumb via foot pressure.

very interesting stuff -- they found when trained after only 3 days to use it the parts of the brain associated with the outside of the hand were lighting up when the third thumb was used, as if the brain was realizing the tool was a part of the hand itself.


https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/may/robotic-third-thumb-use-can-alter-brain-representation-hand

I found a lot of research about supernumerary limb work by MIT and Boeing in 2015, but it was all focused on shoulder attached autonomous arms. Autonomous is the like ... opposite of what I was interested in.

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Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

mind body mapping for supernumerary nipples

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

ziasquinn posted:

https://www.daniclodedesign.com/thethirdthumb
Neuroplasticity lab working on testing mind body mapping for supernumerary limbs.

this design uses a Bluetooth receiver attached to your foot thats affects the grip of the third thumb via foot pressure.

very interesting stuff -- they found when trained after only 3 days to use it the parts of the brain associated with the outside of the hand were lighting up when the third thumb was used, as if the brain was realizing the tool was a part of the hand itself.


https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/may/robotic-third-thumb-use-can-alter-brain-representation-hand

I found a lot of research about supernumerary limb work by MIT and Boeing in 2015, but it was all focused on shoulder attached autonomous arms. Autonomous is the like ... opposite of what I was interested in.


that's not cybernetics !!!

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
i haven't listened to it yet, but this is a blowback-style pod cast about project cybersyn... might be good ?
https://the-santiago-boys.com/episodes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eka7wHag_ys

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Nov 2, 2005

exmarx posted:

i haven't listened to it yet, but this is a blowback-style pod cast about project cybersyn... might be good ?
https://the-santiago-boys.com/episodes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eka7wHag_ys

if you expect it to be as well written, produced, and entertaining as blowback you're in for some disappointment

but worthwhile subject matter to be sure

Mundrial Mantis
Aug 15, 2017


captainbananas posted:

doubt the op will read this or even remember posing the question but for anyone else interested:

from what I've seen for applied work on the subject in US universities the lion's share seems to come out of DARPA-funded grants to CS faculty who just want to buy out their teaching time to solve interesting graph theoretic problems and not stop and wonder what their work will be purposed for. relatedly, I also see it being applied in counter-terrorism research centers

also some of the more technical urban planning departments/schools that have expertise in transportation

I'm willing to bet there are others too, but I am also willing to bet that most of them are not heavily funded by external grant-giving orgs and so their output is comparatively slower and less flashy (maybe better though?)

Thanks, that is pretty much what I found when looking around. Someone can get funding for math, engineering, and management research but it is from the research arm of the US military and all that carries with it. Not surprising given the origins of operations research but still disheartening.

Urban planning and transportation research in those departments seem less problematic but some Robert Moses fucker could probably co-opt it. Also, disaster management research looks benign on the surface but some programs get funding from fossil fuel companies so it can be used in Arctic drilling.

In a better world, all this research can be used to directly help people. Instead, the main topics are in the service of the MIC and oil giants

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CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Mundrial Mantis posted:

On that note, are there any places or universities doing work on cybernetics and related fields? Following individual researchers might be better.
off the top of my head, there are a few places you could try

Raśl Espejo was one of the original Cybersyn guys, he's still alive and doing research last i checked, has written books too (a couple being Espejo & Reyes - Organizational Systems: Managing Complexity With The Viable System Model; and Espejo & Harnden - The Viable System Model: Interpretations and Applications of Stafford Beer′s VSM)

Metaphorum is a general congregation / forum every year of cybernetics researchers who are interested in extending Stafford Beer's work (Viable System Model, Cybersyn and a bunch of other weird stuff), and Beer was all about use of cybernetics in service of society; they've got some presentations on Youtube

also the World Organization of Systems and Cybernetics or the Cybernetics Society (Youtube) although neither seem to have been particularly active recently

there's been a bit of more-recent publication around the Viable System Model that might produce something; Wolfgang Lassl released The Viability of Organizations in 2019 (Vol 1 Decoding the DNA of Organizations, Vol 2 Diagnosing and Governing Organizations, and Vol 3 Designing and Changing Organizations), those might have some recent-ish citations in them

you could probably dig up some of the more active researchers from there

my knowledge of what's going on is pretty limited tbh, Zodium probably has more up-to-date recommendations

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