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Perhaps this thread should be title obscure academia chat? It seems like people want to discuss far more than cybernetics alone. Not trying to step on toes. I think cybernetics is cool, but a general thread for esoteric nerd poo poo has more staying power than focusing on a single discipline. Zodium posted:thank you. Tangentially, nick land has recently had a change of heart and claims to be a communist now. Admittedly his communism seems to be overly idealistic, he still believes in the capitalist techno-god but he thinks we should kill it for the good of humanity Basically he played smt4 and thought it was super profound.
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that's true, though the thought experiment isn't meant to preclude superintelligences so much as show a simpler explanation will suffice. 
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On the topic of cybernetics does anyone have any resources on the Soviet OGAS system? Particularly why it was abandoned in favor of market reforms?
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splifyphus posted:Yeah, the dialectical materialist approach would understand the subject/object not as static and opposed to one another, but precisely as an interdependent feedback loop. An idealist would insist that the mind comes first and creates its own reality, and a materialist assumes that reality precedes and constructs the mind. Chris Cauldwell puts it like this: a bourgeois subject imagines himself free by virtue of being outside the causal matrix; a proletarian learns in detail the causal matrix that determines him and finds her freedom in necessity. Buddhism seems attractive to many Marxists, possibly due to it's compatibility with atheism. Notably the writer of India's constitution, Bhimrao Ambedkar, rejected Hinduism in favor of Buddhism.. and Marxism. Ambedkar created an entire Buddhist School, Navayana, which rejects the unfalsifiable aspects of Buddhism such as karma, rebirth, and the four noble truth. Instead Navayana specifically names Marxist doctrine of class struggle an social equality. With one of the foundational books titled "The Buddha and Karl Marx. Navayana, or "dalit Buddhism" reportedly makes up 90% of the Indian Buddhist community. Unfortunately the political and secular elements have fallen by the wayside and Ambedkar is now worshipped as a bodhisattva. They seem to be typical Buddhist nowadays, albeit with a focus on caste abolishment. More critically, Ambedkar was definitely a revisionist. Not only did he reject revolution as a valid means of bringing about socialism, he also rejected the total abolition of private property. Perhaps this is a flaw inherent to all organized religious socialism. Still Navayana is a fascinating bit of history The ML blogger Yoshimi also came to buddhism sometime after moving to china. Here's a blogpost on modern Buddhism as it relates to China and socialism Off topic but he's also known for this terrific article on Tom Clancy's The Bear and The Dragon. Which counterposes Americans respect for the white Russians against our fetishization of the Chinese. I think it offers an insight into why America allowed China to open up, we didn't seriously consider the PRC a threat because they were Asians. In comparison the Soviet were (mostly) white and thus capable of harming us.
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Rutibex posted:
You gotta keep in mind that Ambedkar was a dalit who was attempting to get the dalit community to understand the world in marxists terms. So he used familiar Buddhist terminology to explain Marxism by way of analogy. Similar to liberation theology in Latin America Nowadays the Marxism has been left aside. Probably because Ambedkar died 6 weeks after codifying Navayana. Meaning he didn't have time to hammerp marxism into the community
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