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baw posted:of course we go with the vegan society's definition which includes the phrase "as far as is possible and practicable," but if you call yourself a leftist and you're not a vegan you're a massive shitocrite who only selectively cares about the suffering of both human and non-human animals Do you have friends? Are you like this in real life too?
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Zokari posted:so anyway wrt to my raw meat diet, i've been doing it for about a month and have been recently suffering a number of serious medical issues Eat at least six eggs a day, I gurantee you'll be free of all problems within a year at most
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Dustcat posted:people who become better persons so they can jack themselves off about it have still become better persons if you have a big ego about personal choices and feel the need to brag it's probably because you know deep down that you're as much of a fucker as everyone else
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I thought the thread title said "Norwegian leftists are a joke"
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Now I'm curious about Norway's political parties
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Yossarian-22 posted:if you have a big ego about personal choices and feel the need to brag it's probably because you know deep down that you're as much of a fucker as everyone else yeah but meanwhile they've at least reduced their water and carbon footprint and caused less animal suffering
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May 9, 2021 21:20
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Someone close this stupid thread and make it so that Baw can only post in the greenwald thread.
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We shouldn't make any attempt to ensure that our political comrades are making good personal choices because that would be fascism. Leftism is about equality. And everyone should be equally free to make whatever choices they want, no matter how harmful
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Greg Legg posted:Someone close this stupid thread and make it so that Baw can only post in the greenwald thread. god no
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mark immune posted:daVeganPoacher94
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Dustcat posted:yeah but meanwhile they've at least reduced their water and carbon footprint and caused less animal suffering sure but "personal choices" is also convenient safety valve for capitalism. if you don't like animal abuse just don't participate, your consumer choices define who you are, etc. even the abolitionists of old like william lloyd garrison and frederick douglass complained about the new england highminded liberals whose sole contribution to anti-slavery was not buying cotton because they deluded themselves into thinking their non-actions were actually meaningful. unless you're wanted by the fbi your veganism probably doesn't mean poo poo being vegan/environmentalist is cool and good and all but it's the tip of the iceberg and the superiority complex/economic status of the participants just ensures that things will remain the way they are
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May 9, 2021 21:24
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If you own a pet, you just might be a slaver
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vegans claim to care about other living things, but still enslave their gut flora to process food for them... curious...
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I can't wait for this thread to go down the "if you eat meat why are you against bestiality?  " rabbit hole that one is always funny
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interesting but have you considered Jeff Bezos' incandescing skull, and if not, why not?
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Zokari posted:so anyway wrt to my raw meat diet, i've been doing it for about a month and have been recently suffering a number of serious medical issues take benzos, debate zizek
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baw posted:i see this thread is a roaring success, so i'm gonna check out for a bit and see how things are going later on gas
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tokin opposition posted:vegans claim to care about other living things, but still enslave their gut flora to process food for them... curious... we must liberate those who are chained inside of us
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Yossarian-22 posted:sure but "personal choices" is also convenient safety valve for capitalism. if you don't like animal abuse just don't participate, your consumer choices define who you are, etc. this is why the ELF were based
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pre-op bebop posted:Now I'm curious about Norway's political parties nazis, and different kind of nazis
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Yossarian-22 posted:sure but "personal choices" is also convenient safety valve for capitalism. if you don't like animal abuse just don't participate, your consumer choices define who you are, etc. , just because capitalism is effective at hijacking people's ethical decisions and transforming them into an opportunity to either sell products or create a "safety valve" does not diminish the ethical considerations and emacipatory value of those choices. Like, idpol is obviously a tool used by capital to distract systemic problems, but it doesn't mean we should start calling people slurs because that's what capital DOESN'T want us to do. Youre argument is so loving stupid. We should pressure our comrades to make good personal decisions. How is this even a question worth arguing over.
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spacemang_spliff posted:I can't wait for this thread to go down the "if you eat meat why are you against bestiality? it's funny bc it's unanswerable
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Larry Parrish posted:this is why the ELF were based I'm still in awe that Greenpeace managed to gently caress up the Nazca Lines that badly
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i'm fine with a vegan feeling morally superior to me about their dietary choices, they'd be as objectively correct as it's possible to be about a moral issue
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Kindest Forums User posted:, just because capitalism is effective at hijacking people's ethical decisions and transforming them into an opportunity to either sell products or create a "safety valve" does not diminish the ethical considerations and emacipatory value of those choices. just lol in general
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Victory Position posted:I'm still in awe that Greenpeace managed to gently caress up the Nazca Lines that badly an L visible from space
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actually I don't think not wanting to participate in liberal classism is the same as being racist you loving moron. i also think that it doesn't matter if anyone is a vegan or not. i especially think the idea of asking presumably poorer comrades to give up one of the few luxuries they can actually afford in the name of making some idiot gringo feel better is, itself, incredibly hosed up and racist and you should feel bad for equating it to doing politics.
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Larry Parrish posted:actually I don't think not wanting to participate in liberal classism is the same as being racist you loving moron. i also think that it doesn't matter if anyone is a vegan or not. i especially think the idea of asking presumably poorer comrades to give up one of the few luxuries they can actually afford in the name of making some idiot gringo feel better is, itself, incredibly hosed up and racist and you should feel bad for equating it to doing politics. you can just say "no, i prefer to still eat meat" you don't have to get incredibly mad about it
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Larry Parrish posted:actually I don't think not wanting to participate in liberal classism is the same as being racist you loving moron. i also think that it doesn't matter if anyone is a vegan or not. i especially think the idea of asking presumably poorer comrades to give up one of the few luxuries they can actually afford in the name of making some idiot gringo feel better is, itself, incredibly hosed up and racist and you should feel bad for equating it to doing politics. it hasn't occurred to some people that based under the system we live in, some moral arguments completely crumble to dust in the context of how society continues to uplift and support the very creations that are destroying us
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If people want to be vegan or not that’s cool, but speaking as someone who used to work on wage recovery lawsuits in industrial agriculture I can honestly say factory farms and meat processors are absolutely reprehensible from a labor perspective. We’re talking wage theft, suppressing workplace injuries, neglecting worker safety, anti union activities, the whole gamut. If you’re one of those people who doesn’t buy from amazon or whatever because of worker solidarity but happily munch down a plate of Tyson brand chicken nuggets you should seriously reconsider your perspective.
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Victory Position posted:it hasn't occurred to some people that based under the system we live in, some moral arguments completely crumble to dust in the context of how society continues to uplift and support the very creations that are destroying us kinda like poaching, perhaps
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political posturing based on consumption has the logical conclusion of becoming a shrieking batshit insane anprim and there's no moral difference between scolding people or communities for consuming factory meat than powering their homes with coal or gas fired electricity, you've done a fifth of the work living up to your ideology and have already started an obnoxious victory lap
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May 9, 2021 22:00
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I keep telling people to instead eat the rich but they don't listen
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Larry Parrish posted:actually I don't think not wanting to participate in liberal classism is the same as being racist you loving moron. i also think that it doesn't matter if anyone is a vegan or not. i especially think the idea of asking presumably poorer comrades to give up one of the few luxuries they can actually afford in the name of making some idiot gringo feel better is, itself, incredibly hosed up and racist and you should feel bad for equating it to doing politics. Equating abstaining from industrial meat production to liberal classism is the most retarded thing I've heard. Yeah, like, of course I'm not going to scold some poor person from eating meat. Like how loving stupid are you? But maybe it should be a goal for leftists to stop poo poo like pig farms and chopping up the amazon rain forest in the name of hamburgers. If you can tell me a way that global communism will be able to feed 9 billion mouths an American diet I'd love to hear it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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