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Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.

smarxist posted:

political posturing based on consumption has the logical conclusion of becoming a shrieking batshit insane anprim and there's no moral difference between scolding people or communities for consuming factory meat than powering their homes with coal or gas fired electricity, you've done a fifth of the work living up to your ideology and have already started an obnoxious victory lap
Consumption is a problem under both capitalism and socialism. Maybe it's a good idea to think about the limits of the biosphere in tandem with political revolution. But that's just me!

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tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
no vegan has answered my question about human breast milk... what aren't you telling us about the vegan lifestyle i wonder...

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
poaching is not a good way to cook elephant, you should smoke it like you would a pig

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
Please be nicer to me OP

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Kindest Forums User posted:

Equating abstaining from industrial meat production to liberal classism is the most retarded thing I've heard.

Yeah, like, of course I'm not going to scold some poor person from eating meat. Like how loving stupid are you? But maybe it should be a goal for leftists to stop poo poo like pig farms and chopping up the amazon rain forest in the name of hamburgers.

If you can tell me a way that global communism will be able to feed 9 billion mouths an American diet I'd love to hear it.

thinking that abstaining from meat causes market supply and demand forces to adjust until the pig farms go out of business and that's how we increment toward veganism is some, as they say, lib poo poo.

breadnsucc
Jun 1, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
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breadnsucc has issued a correction as of 19:19 on Aug 21, 2021

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug

Yossarian-22 posted:

sure but "personal choices" is also convenient safety valve for capitalism. if you don't like animal abuse just don't participate, your consumer choices define who you are, etc.

even the abolitionists of old like william lloyd garrison and frederick douglass complained about the new england highminded liberals whose sole contribution to anti-slavery was not buying cotton because they deluded themselves into thinking their non-actions were actually meaningful. unless you're wanted by the fbi your veganism probably doesn't mean poo poo

being vegan/environmentalist is cool and good and all but it's the tip of the iceberg and the superiority complex/economic status of the participants just ensures that things will remain the way they are

the cool thing about this argument is it reduces nearly all non-explicitly-revolutionary acts to politically meaningless signifiers. which is fine, sure, but makes a lot of the poo poo people get spun up about here look a little silly.

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

getting mad at vegans is the ur-gooniest thing and it's no surprise the sentiment still lingers on in the collective subconscious of this forum, to be rationalized whenever it surfaces to a poster's conscious mind

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

no one thinks a communist society should continue ecologically disastrous practices to feed its people, but simply professing that Eating Meat is Wrong is nothing but, you guessed it, Liberalism

Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

thinking that abstaining from meat causes market supply and demand forces to adjust until the pig farms go out of business and that's how we increment toward veganism is some, as they say, lib poo poo.

You can say that about literally any harmful activity.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
is drinking a womans/mans piss as a sex thing vegan

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
rolling coal for Stalin's birthday

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

no one thinks a communist society should continue ecologically disastrous practices to feed its people, but simply professing that Eating Meat is Wrong is nothing but, you guessed it, Liberalism

might as well call it fascism for all the meaning words seem to have for you

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Kindest Forums User posted:

You can say that about literally any harmful activity.

That's why I'm not the one equating cessation of a harmful activity with meaningful systemic change that takes the harmful activity out of existence entirely.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
OP I must reiterate: Please be nicer to me, and also consider my feelings while you're at it.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Congrats to baw on making a troll OP, stating he's trolling, making sure everyone knew he was trolling before leaving the thread, and then everyone taking the bait and begins clubbing each other to death with it.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
these posts are a really old one from the A/T sex questions thread and I have to ask, does it count as vegan?

quote:

I normally know a lot about kink (I am a slave about to be branded and collared), but I have a question about scat and the effects ones diet has on it. As I am trying to lose weight I rarely eat meat, and I have found that this basicly makes the scat tasteless. However a friend of mine maintins that what she has had experiance with it is like sour milk, and I am wondering if anyone happens to know what exactly will effect the flavor (like how fake sugar makes cum bitter and nuts make cum meaty).

quote:

We are branching in to poo poo play, and sometimes it gets places. I am to only call a safeword when I am risking perminate non cosmetic damage, so a little poo poo in my mouth is *not* enough to stop what is going on. Though at some point in the future, who knows me may leave that area or we maybe push the boundry further. And I do not need weight and watch as I was able to figure out how to lose about 100 pounds in 7 months on my own thank you very much.

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

TheSlutPit posted:

If people want to be vegan or not thats cool, but speaking as someone who used to work on wage recovery lawsuits in industrial agriculture I can honestly say factory farms and meat processors are absolutely reprehensible from a labor perspective.

So's Coca Cola (and pretty much every firm) hiring death squads abroad to kill labor organizers, engage in terrorism, etc. As they say, "There's no ethical consumption in capitalism."

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Horseshoe theory posted:

So's Coca Cola (and pretty much every firm) hiring death squads abroad to kill labor organizers, engage in terrorism, etc. As they say, "There's no ethical consumption in capitalism."

I'll keep drinking that garbage

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
trite meta observation

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kindest Forums User posted:

Equating abstaining from industrial meat production to liberal classism is the most retarded thing I've heard.

Yeah, like, of course I'm not going to scold some poor person from eating meat. Like how loving stupid are you? But maybe it should be a goal for leftists to stop poo poo like pig farms and chopping up the amazon rain forest in the name of hamburgers.

If you can tell me a way that global communism will be able to feed 9 billion mouths an American diet I'd love to hear it.

what even constitutes an american diet. also im not equating it; it IS liberal classism.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Kindest Forums User posted:

Youre argument is so loving stupid. We should pressure our comrades to make good personal decisions. How is this even a question worth arguing over.

because nobody will listen to you and they'll probably just double down

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators
someone has to teach me how to take vegan shits. i tried psyllium husk and it wasn't enough, still comes out like a bunch of fuckin rocks. guess i'm eating eggs forever.

Zokari
Jul 23, 2007

hello comrade, can i interest you in a nice cauliflower?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

someone has to teach me how to take vegan shits. i tried psyllium husk and it wasn't enough, still comes out like a bunch of fuckin rocks. guess i'm eating eggs forever.

Poppyseed tea where you consume the poppyseeds when you're done. May be painful

Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

That's why I'm not the one equating cessation of a harmful activity with meaningful systemic change that takes the harmful activity out of existence entirely.

I never actually said we could achieve systematic change. But maybe, just maybe, there's value in constructing a political movement that has a strong and healthy ethical foundation.
But maybe I'm wrong. And maybe the secret ingredient western leftisms has forgotten is the disgusting slob that is dripping in glutiny

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

better keep eating meat, wouldn't want larry to accuse you of being a liberal classist

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
If you raise your own chickens you can ensure they enjoy v nice lives while eating their delicious eggs

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Kindest Forums User posted:

Yeah, like, of course I'm not going to scold some poor person from eating meat. Like how loving stupid are you? But maybe it should be a goal for leftists to stop poo poo like pig farms and chopping up the amazon rain forest in the name of hamburgers.

palm oil is also an awful one and that's the main component of the ever-beloved "Nutella" hazelnut chocolate spread

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
if the reason you're a 'leftist' is the loving ethics of it, you've already completely missed the point and failed.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dustcat posted:

better keep eating meat, wouldn't want larry to accuse you of being a liberal classist

do you make any posts on this forum that aren't being the equivalent of that fat blob who follows gaston around

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕

Larry Parrish posted:

if the reason you're a 'leftist' is the loving ethics of it, you've already completely missed the point and failed.

I'm a leftist because I was drafted by the leftist team into the posting wars against my will

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

spacemang_spliff posted:

poaching is not a good way to cook elephant, you should smoke it like you would a pig

so you set a garage on fire and wait for the results

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Anyone here eaten elephant?

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

gaze upon the foolish mind of liberal idealism-

Dustcat posted:

people who become better persons so they can jack themselves off about it have still become better persons

Dustcat posted:

i'm fine with a vegan feeling morally superior to me about their dietary choices, they'd be as objectively correct as it's possible to be about a moral issue

there are countless material reasons why people should eat way, way, WAY less meat but i guess thats not as much fun to post about as feeling superior.


Larry Parrish posted:

if the reason you're a 'leftist' is the loving ethics of it, you've already completely missed the point and failed.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

the cool thing about this argument is it reduces nearly all non-explicitly-revolutionary acts to politically meaningless signifiers

jfc this is idiotic

if you're a vegan or only buy fair trade or whatever, hats off to you, but be humble about it, realize that "spreading awareness" of different lifestyle choices probably won't make a loving difference, and don't turn it into an ingroup/outgroup thing. if you do it as a personal moral/ethical choice that's totally cool and i think plenty of people genuinely want to see the world they are "living" manifest in reality, which is great and all. just don't be delusional or stupid about it

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Jose posted:

Anyone here eaten elephant?

I'm pretty sure one of those exotic meat companies that sells rattlesnake jerky and alligator meat has done this in the past

there was something about China as well, but that was more a jingoist look at ivory and elephant penis consumption for folk remedies

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

Larry Parrish posted:

if the reason you're a 'leftist' is the loving ethics of it, you've already completely missed the point and failed.

lol

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Jose posted:

is drinking a womans/mans piss as a sex thing vegan

I think it is assuming everything is consensual but I'm not a vegan so IDK all of hte nuances

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Zokari
Jul 23, 2007

i am currently shoveling an inadvisable quantity of honey into my gaping maw

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