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I just don't like most tofu, not sure where you're getting that other stuff. I've said numerous times that I dislike how meat-focused all the alternatives are! It's not wrong to say it helps convince people to eventually give up meat tho when it's been in most meals for most people since they were born. Boca burgers are still going strong, and I remember Trader Joe's had some good black bean patties but I haven't lived near one for 10 years now so it's probably way worse and 5x the price now, RIP. My mom used to grill a whole big rear end portabello and eat that on a bun but that's Too Much Mushroom for me. gently caress all else tho you're right there. imho the fake meats should be made in huge batches in big no-nonsense factories and sold in the meat department for like $1 a pound to flood out the real stuff
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Mar 28, 2023 00:58
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its really weird to say beans are a meat substitute
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Wheeee posted:so don’t eat that garbage they're really good though. I don't like any of the fake hamburgers but veggie sausage is legit great. if they weren't priced insanely they could easily be the most popular meat substitute
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They can certainly be used to expand it and save money, and there's a lot of people that you've got to frame it that way for them to give a black bean burger off the grill a try. I ain't happy about it either but it is how it is. A meat substitute is ultimately anything somebody eats instead of meat.
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DrBox posted:There is a more serious thread outside of c-spam. CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:Reading Fast Food Nation in middle school was probably the first time I really started thinking about the disgusting conditions both animals and people are put through on a massive scale for cheap and unhealthy food. Took me a lot longer for to fully act on those thoughts as I gradually cut out specific meats out of my diet over the years (first pork, then beef and other red meats, then finally fish and chicken). Seeing a couple videos along the way definitely speed up that process quote:Food Safety Company Employed More Than 100 Children, Labor Officials Say
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BONGHITZ posted:the people crave food that looks like sausage, therefore vegan sausage Veganism would be more popular if there were more dick shaped foods imo
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spacemang_spliff posted:Veganism would be more popular if there were more dick shaped foods imo Bananas, eggplant, cucumbers. We have all the dick shapes!
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Mar 28, 2023 03:59
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Srice posted:I've known some pescatarians who call themselves vegetarian and frankly, they must be destroyed for their lies.
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Mar 28, 2023 19:29
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I like beans
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:this might seem like a shitpost but I'm genuinely curious where people draw the line in terms of what constitutes a breach of ethics for people who are vegan for secular moral reasons. Are there non-plant organisms that would have the same moral value for killing and eating that a plant would? I'm thinking about stuff like eg. mussels, the life of which is difficult for me to meaningfully value over say, a bean plant or something. personally i just don't eat things i think are cute. this would include mussels, which are cute, but which frankly i didn't eat even when i did eat seafood because i thought they were gross.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:this might seem like a shitpost but I'm genuinely curious where people draw the line in terms of what constitutes a breach of ethics for people who are vegan for secular moral reasons. Are there non-plant organisms that would have the same moral value for killing and eating that a plant would? I'm thinking about stuff like eg. mussels, the life of which is difficult for me to meaningfully value over say, a bean plant or something. It comes down to sentience and the capacity to suffer. Plants are not aware so they do not matter morally to me. Something like a sea sponge probably is the same although out of precaution I just leave all animals off the plate. Edit: Mainly because we do not know how sentience comes to be. It's probably an emergent property some some arrangement of neurons or analogous structures but it's not like I can look at a fly or a mussel and say they are missing the 10 neurons it would take to develop some sort of awareness. DrBox has issued a correction as of 20:29 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article273127820.html TL;DR: Psycho ranchers raid someone's house without a warrant to take a 9 year old's pet goat and turn it into BBQ for a senator.
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DrBox posted:There is a more serious thread outside of c-spam. Nocturtle posted:Nice thanks.
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FacelessVoid posted:https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article273127820.html This is so hosed up. Nocturtle posted:Rescinding my thanks for pointing to that thread having read through it. You're very patient at least. My brain melted when people suggested converting natural areas to ethically operated farms as a means to prevent the suffering of wild animals. This topic draws the most deranged opinions. I haven't read through the whole thing. The fringe arguments around Veganism get pretty crazy. People aren't just satisfied with it being about our relationship to animals and how we should not exploit them. All the sudden you have to field questions for whether we should exterminate carnivores or how you must be antinatalist. Can't I just be against exploitation and for leaving animals alone?
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Nocturtle posted:Rescinding my thanks for pointing to that thread having read through it. You're very patient at least. My brain melted when people suggested converting natural areas to ethically operated farms as a means to prevent the suffering of wild animals. This topic draws the most deranged opinions. incredibly reddit rear end thread what is the best bean?
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Wheeee posted:what is the best bean? y’all already know it’s the humble black bean
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Wheeee posted:incredibly reddit rear end thread Chickpeas, since they're so versatile. I love to cook dry chickpeas for a recipe and make enough extra to whip up some hummus too.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:american eating habits are really bad, unless you are a bodybuilder or something you should focus more on just eating right rather than hitting your macro's/micro's This is from a while back, but this is a really good point. When I decided to stop worrying about macros and getting enough protein it was a relief and I just felt better. Those vegan powders are delicious though, I can't deny that.
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Greg Legg posted:This is from a while back, but this is a really good point. When I decided to stop worrying about macros and getting enough protein it was a relief and I just felt better. Those vegan powders are delicious though, I can't deny that. People have been programmed to think of food in a very strange way. You do to a restaurant and there's a category labelled "protein" and see meat and beans. This simplistic view combined with the animal ag propaganda has given people a skewed view of how they should eat. Trying to explain to people that all plants have all the essential amino acids in varying amounts is surprisingly difficult. The idea that, generally, if you're eating a varied diet and getting enough calories, you're getting enough protein is depressingly hard for people to accept. Don't even get me started on the "complete protein" conversation.
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Is there any vegan food available to buy? Enslaved bees have pollinated 99.999% of the fruit and veg at the grocery store. You are eating the work of slave labor.
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flies work for free. fig based diet.
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Mamma Mia Italy to ban lab-grown meat to protect heritage - BBC News www.bbc.com posted:Italy's right-wing government has backed a bill that would ban laboratory-produced meat and other synthetic foods, highlighting Italian food heritage and health protection. I am sympathetic to the general notion because it seems like a waste of time and resources to make frankenfood instead of phasing things out mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 22:03 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:Inside every fig there's a dead wasp the wasp knew what it signed up for
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mawarannahr posted:I am sympathetic to the general notion because it seems like a waste of time and resources to make frankenfood instead of phasing things out That's assuming the phase out would ever happen without an easy substitution. Whole food plant based is available right now but there's no big push towards simply phasing out animal products. Lab grown meat and precision fermentation will be the thing that stops animal ag, not because of individual conscious choice, but because of market forces. As soon as you can replace all burgers and nuggies with the same thing requiring less inputs and less cost, the food corps will switch and the choice will be made. There will be a vocal subset of people who call it frakenfood or unnatural but eventually they will look as silly as the people arguing against ice made through refrigeration. I wish we didn't need this to move people away from animal products, but hopefully once they are no longer actively consuming corpses they will be more open to the vegan message.
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there’s a reason most vegan doctors and researchers explicitly do not call themselves vegan and instead talk about “whole food plant based”
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Regarding eating mussels and other bivalves, it always seemed plausible that they're similar to plants in terms of life experience and capacity for suffering. They're filter feeders that don't move anywhere and lack any obvious major neural structures, very plant-like. Based on all that, I wouldn't have thought mussels could make little tethered mucous lumps that resemble fish and flutter them around in the water to trick real fish into taking a bite. But apparently some mussels do exactly this! That's not a real fish in the left, you can see this in action in this zefrank video starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2x8ts5STzY&t=530s The whole video is interesting. I'm not claiming bivalves are sentient or can suffer as I really don't know. However until watching that video I also didn't know mussels could these kinds of things that in some cases look like fairly sophisticated behavior. It's wild and IMO makes the comparison to plants a little more tenuous.
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So I'm vegan now and I came in here to post about it but then I saw this post:Polybius91 posted:I'm gonna drop something here that I found on another site: And it touches on a lot of my thoughts going into the change. In the end what I really needed was to completely lose faith in humanity. What held me back was a need to not feel like the vast majority of humanity just murders and exploits living beings for the lifestyle benefits. That it was just the rich or the powerful or whatever. I was ready to give up my treats no problem. That was never the issue. I just wasn't ready to face what that meant about the rest of humanity. And so I was clinging to the idea that it's not deeply immoral to eat animals in order to preserve my opinion of humanity. But that's gone. For various reasons. And then one day I was just thinking about hierarchies and divisions and the problems they cause and I was just like oh this is exactly the same way we justify eating meat. Human beings are just lovely like that. I kinda knew that before, but I didn't want to know that before. My posts earlier in this thread are kinda weird looking at them now, but I can kinda see that I'm trying to get someone to deliver me the argument that would bring me across the line. Normally I argue things I genuinely believe in but here I was specifically putting things up for them to get knocked down. You can see in my early posts the notion that I have no problem with going vegan personally but I don't think it's a moral choice. That probably sounded insane or disingenuous to people but it makes sense in light of the specific block I had. Being a leftist and thinking humanity is poo poo is kinda weird but the two can fit together in strange ways once you get used to it.
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Nocturtle posted:Regarding eating mussels and other bivalves, it always seemed plausible that they're similar to plants in terms of life experience and capacity for suffering. They're filter feeders that don't move anywhere and lack any obvious major neural structures, very plant-like. Based on all that, I wouldn't have thought mussels could make little tethered mucous lumps that resemble fish and flutter them around in the water to trick real fish into taking a bite. But apparently some mussels do exactly this! Plants do the same thing
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when some bumblebees had a close call with jumping spiders in a recent experiment they showed symptoms of ptsbee
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Nocturtle posted:Regarding eating mussels and other bivalves, it always seemed plausible that they're similar to plants in terms of life experience and capacity for suffering. They're filter feeders that don't move anywhere and lack any obvious major neural structures, very plant-like. Based on all that, I wouldn't have thought mussels could make little tethered mucous lumps that resemble fish and flutter them around in the water to trick real fish into taking a bite. But apparently some mussels do exactly this! this is very cool, the lure thing is wild I've been trying to think about consciousness or at least the seat of subjectivity and capacity for suffering and how that should direct action. I think mussels, or fruit flies, or fungal ramets, etc. etc. might all have some sort of subjective experience and thus a capacity for suffering, but at some point it is either so attenuated or alien beyond my capacity that it's probably not worth worrying about. I think it's good, as a guiding principle, to try to not be party to suffering as I understand it, to the extent I can, rather than out of a feeling of sanctity towards consciousness or animal dignity or spiritual accountability. I'll continue to taper off my meat consumption but I think probably at the end of the day going full vegan would only be useful in assuaging my feelings of guilt from participation in the system that supports meat consumption, from which I can't extract myself short of world revolution. No cows, chicken, pigs, (big?) fish seems a pretty reasonable standard in terms of stuff that seems like it has a capacity for suffering analogous to my own. But even that feels like I'm playing games with myself because the process that dictates the breeding and slaughtering of the pig occurs with or without my input, and that my choice to buy a bean over a pork chop is in service of a spiritual hygiene or something. To bring it around to my very first post in this thread, I think the wall I'm hitting is the disconnect same between individual "political action" and mass class movements, in that the latter is the only one that's real for anything beyond making yourself feel a way. I don't think it's good for me to eat a cow but I can't tell you why in a way that I think makes meaningful sense.
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Stinky Wizzleteats posted:when some bumblebees had a close call with jumping spiders in a recent experiment they showed symptoms of ptsbee maybe they should get cognitive beehiveral therapy
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Cuttlefush posted:Plants do the same thing Well now I feel bad about eating plants.
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Nocturtle posted:Well now I feel bad about eating plants. they will eat you one day so it evens out
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rear end in a top hat animal rights activists are doing a Keiko sequel with a geriatric orca they're dumping off in polluted water. gently caress every good intention that isn't good enough to know your poo poo first before you go slow-murdering a habituated whale because you feel so bad about how much we all sucked rear end toward it. Keiko, the whale who played free willy, died weeks after being returned to the ocean and was half the age. Lolita, the one being released for PR soon, has never even been transported before. Filthy loving god drat hippie poo poo head fucks
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