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DrVenkman posted:

Kojima of all people not getting some very obvious social commentary was not something I expected to see today.

Common thread from critics is that it's just a dumb fun movie that isn't saying anything which is really weird since the zombies literally form a society.

# ¿ May 21, 2021 21:36

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 18:36

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Caros posted:

So it's a minor thing,but how fast is that undead horse?

They left king zombie on the roof, to a completely different casino where they were told they had less than 9 minutes to search, yet he was still able to show up before they dipped.

I've heard of fast zombies, but that poo poo was ridiculous.
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Go back and watch the scene where the helicopter flies back to the Olympus, there's a fantastic shot going on underneath it with Zeus on horseback leading the zeds back over.

And after we did the dome rewatch last night, I can't really put dotd on the same level as Army, it feels so old and cliche. Army is only cliche in it's trappings but actually pushes several bounds most apocalyptic media don't touch, like a majority of the cast being PoC.

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# ¿ May 22, 2021 15:29

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

I liked most of his poo poo, but this one is a miss to me.

That doesn�t really help, arguably makes it worse. When I saw that I had the exact same �wait what?� reaction, at least without that shot you can maybe fudge the timeline to be good enough, but here he overtook a helicopter from the top of a building.

I think you're overestimating how fast a helicopter is, plus Zeus takes awhile to show.

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# ¿ May 22, 2021 16:33

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fart simpson posted:

yeah but what i really mean is, i don't have any friends or know any people irl that like his style. that's why these threads seem so weird to me

Get friends who like different movies🤷🏽‍♀️ this is the internet, it's not like we all live on the same block lol

# ¿ May 22, 2021 16:37

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fart simpson posted:

As a general rule, most helicopters fly at an average speed of around 140 knots. This equals to about 160 mph or 260 km/h. The helicopter�s average speed is affected by many things including the size of the chopper and what or who is on board at the time.

You used the word average for a reason. But if tactical realism is a sticking point for you in a zombie movie, then I can't help you.

# ¿ May 22, 2021 16:39

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There's literally a shot of the zombie riding a horse under a helicopter and now we're trying to talk realism. The movie gave you the info it did, if you can't handle that, then maybe genre films aren't for you?

# ¿ May 22, 2021 16:42

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fart simpson posted:

you're right. i don;t want to watch any more movies in the "zack snyder" genre

Anytime someone says something like that, I have to assume they stopped watching movies when the 70s system collapsed. The disingenuous reads that can be more applied to almost any other movie, but doesn't actually fit on snyder films since he doesn't actual follow convention, which is also their sticking point some how.

# ¿ May 22, 2021 16:46

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fart simpson posted:

wanna give me an example?

can't you just leave me to dislike the movie in peace

I don't care if someone likes a movie or not, but you talking about "Zack Snyder" genre is a hair away from all the other drive by hot takes I've seen. And it comes with many implications since a lot of culture critics have spent the better part of a decade calling him a fascist idiot that stumbles on ideas. When folks come in with boring takes like "pedestrian" action I can't help but wonder what they're watching, because most zombie media is shot like TV and or directly insprired by dawn of the dead. Just scroll through the dome thread if you need more examples.

# ¿ May 22, 2021 17:01

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

It's not asking for tactical realism, and being a genre film is not an excuse for not communicating properly to the audience. The bad guy effectively teleports, I think it's totally fair if that's something that takes you out of the moment. The actual shot is great, it's the awkward transition that loses me. Something as simple as them not knowing where to go, and then noticing all the zombies running back home, would've fixed that issue entirely. Hell, the only reason people are bringing the actual speed of things into this is because someone clearly suggested a horse is as fast as a helicopter to defend the teleporting.

I don't think you know what teleporting is.There's an entire sequence before he shows up. And the only reason he "beats" Bautista is he's not afraid and knows where they are. Bautista has to wait for the initial fight with douche zombie to find them while looking for other threats.

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# ¿ May 22, 2021 17:57

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

No one is getting mad.

Yeah, I was definitely still into the movie at that point, but the followup of her getting overwhelmed while they were just gawking at her for like a minute is kinda where the movie starts to stumble. It still has good parts, I just don't think it really comes together anywhere near as well as it could have.

I'm talking about him being in front of the helicopter, not his arrival at the hotel. The hotel part is perfectly fine, apart from again, standing around for like a minute so people can get killed.

Wait you're upset the super strength speed parkour zombie got somewhere fast? Lol okay

# ¿ May 22, 2021 18:08

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Zane posted:

for a cool fight with a super zombie that is really dynamic and requires participation from the whole group in a way that builds upon the classic motifs of the genre--human ingenuity vs. zombie strength/numbers--see the original trailer for left4dead.

Could you link it? I only found this

https://youtu.be/aftzAdG8A-c

But they only just run away in that one.

# ¿ May 22, 2021 18:15

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POWELL CURES KIDS posted:

Anybody else notice that the only robot zombies were the ones killed by Guzman?

I don't know if this is true, pretty sure there's blue eyes in the vault that Dieter and Van shoot. Or did guzman get that one too?

# ¿ May 23, 2021 18:16

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Wolfsheim posted:

I don't know anything about that guy's life but when I watched this with my SO who does actually follow how much money movies cost/make she kind of wondered aloud how much this would have lost in theaters after advertising if covid hadn't shuffled it off to netflix

I don't think it would have lost as much as DUNE is going to but I see it getting into 'breaking even, maybe' range

Do we know if covid had anything to do with WBs bad decisions? The fact that this is is a cast of mainly PoC in a zombie flick, kind of says it was always going to be a success. Can you point to any multicultural led film that doesn't at least do well overseas? And the budget was 70 mil before reshoots, ain't nobody gonna be losing out accept the WB execs who we now know just don't want PoC in their movies.

# ¿ May 24, 2021 18:24

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Neurolimal posted:

Government using robot drones to observe a burgeoning Zombie culture from afar? Aliens cooperating with the US government, unaware that they're making a bioweapon? A group of mercenaries discover that they've trapped themselves in a hellish time loop of death? Journey through a garish Vegas, recently vacated by a zombie invasion? I'd have been all the way onboard with all of those.

Love it or hate it, all this is asking for tons of exposition in a movie more interested in its characters. I'm glad they're going the route they are of exploring the franchise the way they are. That's a writers dream, when all the little bullshit you researched and sweated over for a moment on the page gets to breathe in its own right.

# ¿ May 26, 2021 21:40

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Piell posted:

The characters are basically stock characters for the most part, though.

Welcome to genre films? You've stumbled on to the same truth as the French in the 50s. And at the same time, no they're really not, for one, it's a PoC majority apocalypse film which is beyond rare in itself, and thus the subjects they touch on are also different.

# ¿ May 26, 2021 21:48

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Piell posted:

I didn't say that having stock characters is a bad thing, its just that they's not really anything interesting to focus on then most of the time since they're exactly the archetype they appear to be.

If the movie wanted to be interested in its characters it should have done something interesting with them.

And that's where we disagree, although I do wish Van and Dieter got to kiss, we got a lot. It's a group of broken people coming back to a place of trauma for them, and if the movie didn't have action, I'd not have really cared. Would've loved for them to just walk out and subvert the horde rush ending.

Snyder made me care about YouTubers, that's magic.

# ¿ May 26, 2021 21:57

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There's not a single hint the Zeds were trying to leave, where is this coming from? They were picking baby names and building the perfect family/neighborhood for their child to grow in.

Hell, Van didn't even get bit by Zeus, so we don't know what state he will be in for potential sequels.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 04:01

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Judakel posted:

Sure ok great
They couldn't leave and Zack never showed them trying, but there's zero reason to try and grow if you aren't trying to leave.

So there's zero evidence on screen of what you say despite and the movie implies they don't have to feed/rely on humans while using the sacrificed to build their society. You're saying they don't know how the coyote gets in? Or that they let witnesses to their amassing an army come and go since they don't give a poo poo? It's funny, Snyder is supposedly unsubtle by definition and yet "man is the real army of the dead" hasn't crossed your mind as literal yet.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 04:18

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Judakel posted:

Kinda lazy to give them no motivation.

Ummm Zeus kills humans ONLY because his wife and zombie baby were killed. Compared to... Brains.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 04:20

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Borrowing the adoption theme Snyder seems to gravitate towards, I can see the Zeds as a commune, not unlike MOVE in Philly, who adopt the unwanted from the society that imprisons them. In that way, they're not trying to go anywhere just improve each other, which snyder has confirmed zeus juice does, this brings to mind segregation vs seperation.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 04:47

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Judakel posted:

This thing cannot be both a commune and anti-capitalistic while also having classes like the shamblers and the alphas. That makes no sense.

You need to tell us what the shamblers are producing for this to make sense. Because we know the alphas don't give a poo poo about them being killed, what is the serfdom for?

# ¿ May 27, 2021 04:56

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Judakel posted:

a group being a class is not contingent on being necessary for anything and i am almost certain alphas can only make shamblers, otherwise it is unclear where shamblers come from.

You specifically said

Judakel posted:

anti-capitalistic

Now what are you talking about?

# ¿ May 27, 2021 05:00

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Judakel posted:

What do you need help with? Check the last page for my edit if you can't figure it out. Like, do you not see the fact I am talking about someone who mentioned "anti-capitalistic" or what?

That's literally my point. They're not producing and consuming, so they can be a commune and anticapitalist.

Do you think communes don't have hierarchy?

# ¿ May 27, 2021 05:06

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Judakel posted:

Eh I see your point, however I wasn't saying that they are anti-capitalistic. That is buddhism's gently caress up. I am arguing against that notion simply because anti-capitalistic implies no hierarchies.
And my point is that they do not have to produce anything and still have classes. Some communes might, but the general idea is that they do not have hierarchies or classes. The entire point is sharing responsibilities.

sorry but real world dictates there's gonna be a heirarchy. Let's say you start a commune, are you really expecting to not be heard just a bit more as the progenitor of the project? And lol anti capitalistic has no connotation with the omission of heirarchy. Black Panthers? The previously mentioned MOVE?

# ¿ May 27, 2021 05:13

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Judakel posted:

It's in human nature, huh?

Well yeah, that's the killing joke, Zeus was trying to be different but in the end perpetuated the cycle by leading a murderous zombie horde like in every other movie.

If the movie ended with him shaking Bautista's hand, I'm not sure if people would accept it either.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 05:21

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Judakel posted:

It isn't human nature. I was just making fun of that style of argument.

Well how is anything in this movie divorced from human nature? Even the "cartoonish" army men at the beginning are very on the nose.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 05:25

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Ooof, okay you haven't said anything. Have a great night.

# ¿ May 27, 2021 05:29

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ruddiger posted:

Didn�t the Crazies take place over a single day/night too?

Shaun of the dead is also only one full day.

# ¿ May 28, 2021 12:49

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But it's also a Zach Snyder film, so take all that with a grain of salt.

# ¿ May 29, 2021 03:12

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2house2fly posted:

One part I remember least is what Scott and Maria were talking about in the vault right before she died. Trying to figure out if her death is karmic. Like was she living in the past? Preoccupied with what was behind her, you might say?

She was upset Batista didn't realize that she was only there for him. She didn't give a poo poo about the money, she wanted him. Don't know if this is selfishness on level of dieter, since she's going into there for him, while dieter is there for mental exercise (as far as we know).

# ¿ May 31, 2021 04:10

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Mooseontheloose posted:

How about nothing the team did mattered at the end of the day?

1) they didn't get the money
2) they didn't save the lady from the camp.
3) the virus is going to spread to Mexico City
4) hell, the bad guy didn't even get anywhere.

The zombie virus isn't bad though...

# ¿ Jun 1, 2021 18:51

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I took that comment to mean watch the anime prequel for a really cool sequence, at least that's what I'm hoping for.

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# ¿ Jun 5, 2021 22:46

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Cafe Barbarian posted:

Not a big fan of this kind of extended universe check out the tie-in series stuff.

Sure but they're in Vegas. So you can't be like oh if it rains and then it rains that day. It doesn't rain in Vegas like that. So yeah, unfortunately it's just world building.

How I look at it though is that fortunately, Netflix is already looking for ways to bring those details out so they can shine without taking from or cramming/rushing into the movie. I don't see how that can be a negative. If we didn't know about the anime, how would it affect the movie?

# ¿ Jun 10, 2021 03:12

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Now I'm upset we didn't get a scene with Zeus picking who to bite next.

"Eeany, meany, miney, moe..."

# ¿ Jun 21, 2021 23:28

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ruddiger posted:

Zack really got me out here wondering if the zombie with a chunk bit out of his dick was an alpha or not.

It was for the opening montage with the strippers eating that John, so probably not.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2021 23:41

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Did Trump not assassinate a general in Iran? And the movie employs Sean Spicer while directly referencing Trump....

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# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 19:40

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Carly Gay Dead Son posted:

I mostly really liked it. Initially, it seemed like a reversal of, maybe even an apology for 300.

Please watch owls of gahoole

# ¿ Jun 24, 2021 00:17

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2house2fly posted:

If you give the zombies someone they don't bother you, that truce is presumably a law which Zeus enforces. What if one zombie decided to attack the humans while that truce was in effect?

We don't know if this is true. That's just what the coyote does. She probably had poo poo go sideways and found out, cause it's not like they're talking to her.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2021 00:19

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Carly Gay Dead Son posted:

I never expected anyone to say this to me, but sure, why not!

Please stop by the dome with your take on it, it's one of my favorites.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2021 10:37

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 18:36

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Communist Thoughts posted:

It's not that ashamed though, since we still obviously have to kill the evil savage since he's a threat to the world no matter how noble , we can't coexist with zeus and Co.

Not sure about a "we" since this isn't what happens in the movie. They're using zeus as the weapon they created, it's just the weapon dropped on US soil, so now it's about deniability. Half the crew (mostly PoC) also went through that event, i don't know if they're actually military or just conscripted because of the wild poo poo.Tanaka is a military contractor trying to get over on the government. Entire framing of the movie is that we are coexisting.

Also avatar is just cinematic manifest destiny. Americans aren't a native species that bin Laden was trying to exploit. Only saying this because it's almost offensive to compare 9/11 and native genocide.

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# ¿ Jun 26, 2021 15:29

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