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I found this out while having a discussion with someone regarding how video games are catching up with PC games and 60fps are becoming the norm. Once you get used to interacting with 60fps video, 30fps looks very choppy in comparison. It's hard to seriously go back to that. Then I thought that by comparison, non-interactive visual media - TV Shows / Movies, I prefer 30fps over 60fps. Modern TVs now come with frame interpolation enabled by default which make 30fps video look like 60 by generating in-between frames, which some call The Soap Opera effect. Thank gently caress you can turn that poo poo off. I think there's something about 30fps that maintains the fourth wall to the human viewing in which 60fps can ruin. When I watch some video in 60fps, I no longer feel like a member of the audience enjoying the show, allowing my suspension of disbelief. Rather, I feel like I'm on the set and behind one of the cameras recording a bunch of actors doing their thing. But for video games it's different. You'd want to feel like you're the person holding the camera, or the gun, or whatever. Even when viewing from the 3rd person point of view, you still want to feel like you're right there in the actual scene and not just some audience bystander. 60fps obviously better. The only forms of non-interactive visual entertainment where I'd want to feel like I was the cameraman at the film set is either nature documentaries or porn. Live sports games probably too but don't watch much of those. I'm sure there other situations where 60fps in non-game stuff look better, I just can't think of any. Discuss.
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Remember when they got thousands of cinemas to invest a bunch of money in 60fps projectors for the first hobbit movie, and most people got in to the cinema and mainly just thought "ugh this is horrible" as soon as the camera started panning around in the opening scene
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May 14, 2021 07:18
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Hobbit was shot with the shutter open 180 degrees every frame. This is great when shooting 24fps since the motion blur that results can fill the gaps left from the low framerate. At 48fps it just creates a smeared mess. Interpolation has a similar effect, only worse since it adds a bunch of motion artifacts. Soap operas look like poo poo because they're shot quickly and on the cheap. Games typically don't have motion blur, or they do but it sucks so you turn it off. I guess with porn motion matters a lot, kinda like sport. Someone will make a high frame rate movie that doesn't suck, one day.
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May 14, 2021 08:16
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I agree, OP. the whole thing is actually super interesting. There is almost nothing identical to cinema tech 80 years ago: new projectors, new mediums, new sound systems, way more colours, way more clarity but 24fps seems somehow more central to calling something 'film' than actually being shot or projected using film
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May 14, 2021 08:24
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Nature docos or porn hunh OP. I bet you wish that clip of a chimp loving a frog's mouth was available in 60fps.
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May 14, 2021 08:57
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BigBadSteve posted:Nature docos or porn hunh OP. I bet you wish that clip of a chimp loving a frog's mouth was available in 60fps. No homegroan please.
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May 14, 2021 10:27
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chaosbreather posted:…24fps seems somehow more central to calling something 'film' than actually being shot or projected using film Agreed, you can do amazing things with cheap digital cameras and rig these days, but you gently caress with that framerate and my brain is gonna scream out that something is wrong. It’s kinda reassuring we don’t seem to be in the minority, and there doesn’t seem to be many people pushing for higher framerate movies.
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May 14, 2021 11:39
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24 fps is best for movies and videogames. Fps hogs can go gently caress themselves 
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May 14, 2021 12:07
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aren't they the same thing for you op
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May 14, 2021 12:12
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Drop it to 16fps imo. Mo frames mo problems
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May 14, 2021 12:15
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24 fps is a gross blurry flickery mess, no pretentious hollywood director is gonna tell me how i can or can't enjoy watching video the main reason they cling to it is that it is great for covering up shoddy workmanship
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May 14, 2021 12:24
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i loving hate frames. One or two i can just ignore but 60? Day ruined.
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May 14, 2021 12:31
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Comic books is like what 1 frame per page? Perfect compromise
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May 14, 2021 12:32
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Yeah I've seen some youtube videos of like Marvel movies and stuff in 60fps and it looks like absolute dogshit
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May 14, 2021 12:35
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Bwuh my ultimate Gamer command station can do 240 fps I'm a dumb idiot
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May 14, 2021 12:38
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Unless a game is literally stuttering I can't tell for poo poo what it's doing in terms of fps so congrats on everything, OP.
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May 14, 2021 12:59
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I saw some show like that once and I could see exactly where the actor's makeup ended on their face, it was distracting to the performance
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May 14, 2021 13:20
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FPS: gently caress my PUSSY and SHUT up.
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May 14, 2021 13:27
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Fingerbang People Solemnly
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May 14, 2021 13:38
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loving Poop Sockers 
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May 14, 2021 13:40
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24 frames per second is the highest any movie should go. There’s only a limited number of frames left in this world and they shouldn’t be so greedy and use them up so fast
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May 14, 2021 13:57
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I can't tell the difference
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May 14, 2021 13:59
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Turn down your frame rate to 18 when not too attentive, your local key grip will thank you!
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May 14, 2021 14:00
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Going to an art gallery and renting one of those audio guide devices to provide narration is probably the best movie experience. Few dozen frames over the course of an hour, pure bliss Lots of boobs too
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May 14, 2021 14:26
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Dear Watson posted:24 frames 24 frames total is plenty. Just make each one last longer.
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May 14, 2021 15:09
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Dear Watson posted:24 frames per second is the highest any movie should go. There’s only a limited number of frames left in this world and they shouldn’t be so greedy and use them up so fast It’s ok FPSv6 is right around the corner
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May 14, 2021 15:11
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Almost feel bad for people who never had to try and load new games on old, budget PCs. Talk to me when you've toughed out a game in single-digit fps.
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May 14, 2021 15:18
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Not to sound like a drama queen but I legit get almost outright dizzy when that motion thing is turned on during movies on newer TVs. Like I can go on the Scrambler ride, I've been on tiny boats in the middle of the ocean, and neither bother me, but I feel like I'm drunk when that poo poo is turned on on tvs. Unfortunately before buying my very expensive oled I didn't know about oleds and their judder issues. If the motion blurring thing is turned off, you see a poo poo load of judder. Basically it looks like a huge jerky motion and like tons of frames are missing, particularly in scenes where the camera pans horizontally. The only way to get rid of it on an oled is to turn on dejudder and deblur which is that soap opera bullshit. My 2008 featureless plasma doesn't have this issue (I just checked) so I guess plasma is still better than oled? At least for movies.
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May 14, 2021 15:31
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Scrotum Modem posted:I found this out while having a discussion with someone regarding how video games are catching up with PC games and 60fps are becoming the norm. Once you get used to interacting with 60fps video, 30fps looks very choppy in comparison. It's hard to seriously go back to that. The "soap opera" affect has bugged me for years and it ruins my experience watching TV in waiting rooms or other public spaces because those TVs always have frame interpolation on.
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May 14, 2021 15:32
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Applewhite posted:The "soap opera" affect has bugged me for years and it ruins my experience watching TV in waiting rooms or other public spaces because those TVs always have frame interpolation on. That's because it's defaulted to on for every single preset except game mode
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May 14, 2021 15:38
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May 14, 2021 15:53
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Collapsing Farts posted:Yeah I've seen some youtube videos of like Marvel movies and stuff in 60fps and it looks like absolute dogshit I saw that and agree it looked awful. It went from fantasy in my head to watching regular people wearing dumb cosplay costumes in front of a green screen.
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May 14, 2021 15:55
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The only thing worse than the soap opera effect is trying to explain it to people who somehow don't notice it and think I'm crazy.
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May 14, 2021 16:04
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See also: me pointing out to my wife the framerate difference between Spider Man: Into the Spider Verse and other CGI animated films.
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May 14, 2021 16:05
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Poohs Packin posted:FPS:
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May 14, 2021 16:10
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Applewhite posted:The only thing worse than the soap opera effect is trying to explain it to people who somehow don't notice it and think I'm crazy. These are the same people that watch shows at the wrong aspect ratio and seem genuinely not to notice that everyone looks like they're in a funhouse mirror
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May 14, 2021 16:12
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The Bloop posted:These are the same people that watch shows at the wrong aspect ratio and seem genuinely not to notice that everyone looks like they're in a funhouse mirror These people are probably genetically superior. They adapt and we envy them. The future is theirs.
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May 14, 2021 16:21
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I watched Jurassic Park on my dad's tv where you couldn't turn motion interpolation off and it surely looked like poo poo but interestingly the CG effects looked OK while the puppets looked super obviusly like puppets and so did the auto.. uh... auto erotica?
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May 14, 2021 16:32
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Mooey Cow posted:I watched Jurassic Park on my dad's tv where you couldn't turn motion interpolation off and it surely looked like poo poo but interestingly the CG effects looked OK while the puppets looked super obviusly like puppets and so did the auto.. uh... auto erotica? Maybe the cgi was done at a different framerate or something
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From the other side of things, 48/60fps and 4k+ really kinda suck for VFX, especially when combined. Things like bad comps/shifting tracks all become way more prominent due to the drastically increased pixel and frame count. After my roommate got a 4k TV, I went and rewatched a bunch of shows and was surprised at how off things looked compared to the 1080p versions. It was much easier to tell what was a set extension, and any sort of digidouble work was super noticeable. I’m guessing AI upscaling and interpolation will eventually get good enough for widespread production use, but it’s currently finicky enough that I’ve only seen it used in very specific circumstances, usually due to deadlines. The Jurassic Park thing is interesting, I’ve noticed that VFX really don’t blend as well with TV interpolation enabled. My guess is it’s a motion blur/grain levels thing. Even a slight difference between lens and CG motion blur could cause huge issues if the TV is filling in a bunch of new frames.
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