Victoria 3: the 1960 german unification play comes with a few complications

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ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

MonsieurChoc posted:

I wonder if nations will have stuff to differentiate them from each other like national ideas in Europa.

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# ¿ May 22, 2021 04:51

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ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1396856316631650306?s=19

# ¿ May 24, 2021 16:55

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

My opinion is that multi-vassal Shogunate Japan looks sweet as hell

e: I will admit that it was not an ideal setup with Victoria 2's mechanics, as Kyoto (and presumably also the vassals I didn't play), was permanently starving as they only produced Tea and was entirely reliant on the world market for food, except their individual ranking (and by extension their market priority) was so low that they could never afford enough food to prosper.

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 02:45 on May 26, 2021

# ¿ May 26, 2021 02:37

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

Raenir Salazar posted:

remember the recent Sim City?

You mean the one from 2013, released eight years ago?? One month before Heart of Darkness??

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jun 11, 2021

# ¿ Jun 11, 2021 14:29

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

Raenir Salazar posted:

Yes, but how old the game is isn't terribly important; it was still something that was heavily mocked at the time that the numbers were made up. So there's a limit to Monte Carlo tricks and so on because at anypoint the player can be expected to pause and dig through things to make sure there's nothing amiss, because ultimately you can't allow for any disconnects to happen between what the economy says and what it is.

I'm not disagreeing with any of your points, I was just a bit confused about it being called recent, to the point where I had to go check if I'd missed a new release.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2021 18:29

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1405555840065556483?s=19

# ¿ Jun 17, 2021 17:45

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

I'll admit to having optimization tendencies, but those are born out of this weird fear that if I don't play as optimally as possible, I'll fall behind and the whole playthrough will be for nothing, just wasted time. It's as if every game that offers you chances to customize your playstyle and try out different things are just elaborately designed trap-mazes for me to make it through.

This might just be trauma from playing unmodded Oblivion at a formative stage in my life, I dunno

Anyway, I wonder how many other optimizers are similarly motivated by anxiety rather than the desire to master a system, or to just get their regular power fantasy fill.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2021 22:21

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

Friend Commuter posted:

Hey there, if-I-don't-play-perfectly-everything-will-collapse-around-my-ears buddy

It's genuinely delightful to know I'm not alone on this :hfive:

# ¿ Jun 18, 2021 03:10

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

You will wrest my funny little men from my cold, dead hands

# ¿ Jun 22, 2021 04:14

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

I have this weird brain problem that makes me happy with reading dev diaries for the foreseeable future

# ¿ Jun 27, 2021 15:16

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

Oh right, everyone keep in mind that Paradox devs, like most working Swedes, will have pretty much all of July off, so we might not get much in the ways of teasers or dev diaries for a while.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2021 20:40

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1412773399240318979?s=19

# ¿ Jul 7, 2021 15:03

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

VanSandman posted:

How do you model incompetency in a game like this? Nicholas II's dumb choices at every opportunity was part of the reason the Russian Revolution happened. How would that work in a Victoria 3 context?

IIRC in Crusader Kings 2, characters had a hidden "(ir)rationality" stat that was calculated based on a their traits and it affected what choices their AI would make on a personal, administrative and diplomatic level. It might very well be possible to implement something similar in Victoria 3.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2021 18:19

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

logger posted:

Suppression is supposed to model those things in Victoria 2. Also the rebellions are supposed to be only an annoyance for a stable nation, but cause problems once other things get out of hand.

A "stable nation" that regularly experiences minor uprisings is not a stable nation.

In a stable nation, discontent is fuelled into non-militant political movements who try to push through their demands via electoralism if that's an option, or by putting pressure on the relevant actors/structures via swaying public opinion, arranging protests, strikes etc. Now these movements may become militant, but they're highly unlikely to actually turn into full-on armed rebellions unless things have already gotten pretty bad and the authorities are no longer seen as legitimate, not to mention entirely unfit to wield their monopoly on violence. That is to say, when the nation is no longer stable.

Luckily, according to what the devs have stated, this is exactly what they're aiming to model.

ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 12, 2021

# ¿ Jul 12, 2021 14:45

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

fuf posted:

I'd be really surprised if strikes weren't kind of modelled somehow, even if it's just a production mallus for unhappy pops.

It fits the setting a lot better than constant armed revolts.

The production method mechanics make implementing strikes fairly intuitive. If the miners go on strike, the mines they work at become inactive, or at the very least no longer receives labor from trade union-aligned miners.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2021 16:14

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1417846833272041473

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 15:06

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1419658768237928450?s=19

# ¿ Jul 26, 2021 15:08

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1420383550256336899?s=19

# ¿ Jul 28, 2021 15:21

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1422195483288555529

# ¿ Aug 2, 2021 16:23

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1422920265407815683?s=19

# ¿ Aug 4, 2021 15:17

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

Enjoy posted:

They're all by the same guy lol

Specifically they're by a guy whose bio describes him as a "professional Indie Grand Strategy Game Developer from Hungary", so lmao

# ¿ Aug 4, 2021 18:51

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

disjoe posted:

Well in Vicky 2 they also get that Prussian General Staff decision that buffs their military for like 25 years, unless that�s unique to HPM/HFM.

It's in vanilla.

# ¿ Aug 4, 2021 19:09

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

# ¿ Aug 5, 2021 18:22

ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

I'm thankful for this weird mental state I'm in where I'm perfectly content just reading dev diaries and going "ho hum what a clever implementation!" and then somehow just moving on with my day without obsessively daydreaming about the playthroughs I wanna do. It's very odd.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2021 01:47