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Hello this is a thread for the NBA. It is my favorite sport to watch. If you want to know more about the NBA just ask I can explain a lot of it. Now is a good time to watch the NBA as the playoffs have started. I have some ideas about the NBA that get me in trouble in other threads. I will post them here. That is fair warning I guess.
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May 21, 2021 21:12
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I am working the following posts: Final MVP tier ranking, and a post about why Steph Curry (8th seed) is a fraud.
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May 21, 2021 21:17
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Crusty Nutsack posted:if giannis isn't your MVP I'm banning you This is a thread for open iquiry and protection from mod abuse (not saying you are abusivie I mean in general like as an aspirational goal) from ideological moderation of posts that do not follow ESPN orthodoxyu. I am not saying I dont have Giannis up there but I think a post like this needlessly puts a chilling effect on expression.
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May 21, 2021 21:23
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here is my MVP tier from February of this year. This is not my final tier. I am showing it too ytou so that you can see the evolution MVP rankings as of right now. After thinking about it these are the only 6 who deserve any recognition for the prestigious award. So Jokic is tied for 7th I guess with every other player in the league with 0 consideration. Tier 1: Lebron James Pluses: GOAT, still best player in the league, on a good team (3 seed but 3rd best record in the NBA), 36 dunks at age 36, has lead team to an impressive #1 drtg despite being on somewhat cruise control coming off a NBA championship. Also Coach of the Year. The coaching job Lebron has done I have not seen mentioned much, but what he has done to get the Lakers playing together after a short off-season and with lots of changed faces has been remarkable. He could be in the HOF just as a head coach. He also plays tons of minutes. Negatives: none. He's perfect. Tier 2: Gobert Pluses: DPOY, leads the best team in the league so far. Extreme offensive efficiency. Plays all the time. Negatives: not as dynamic offensively as you would really want for a true MVP. A history of playoff flame-outs. Kawhi Pluses: second best forward in the whole NBA. Tremendously gifted at defense and also highly efficient and dynamic at offense. Leading his team to 3rd best record in the league. All the traditional stats are right there with the best. Negatives: last seasons playoff flame-out leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Not as good a coach as Lebron. Embiid: Pluses: Up there among the best defensive player in the league. Has drastically improved his offensive game and has become a true monster on O with stats rivaling the other candidates. Has lead Philly to the best record in the East. Negatives: does not play as much as everyone else. Complicated play off history. Tier 3 Lillard Pluses: unquestionable team leader and superstar leading a good team. Somehow wins with Carmelo Anthony playing. Has kept his team winning despite missing tons of time from CJ and Nurkic. Excellent traditional efficiency stats. Negatives: Unaware of any defense being played at all. Even for a PG its abysmal. Durant: Pluses: has lead Brooklyn to the 2nd best record in the East. I dont know for sure but I think he is also Coaching the Nets. Negatives: Missed a lot of time. Efficiency stats not quite up there with the rest. Horrible defense. euphronius hosed around with this message at 16:29 on Feb 19, 2021
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May 21, 2021 21:26
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reminder : My basic MVP criteria: You have to be on a good team (top 4 seed at least, more like 1-2) You have to be a two way player* There are other considerations but those two are necessary * somewhat relaxed for PGs
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May 21, 2021 21:26
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Crusty Nutsack posted:lol you sound like you have some grudge I don't know about thanks, persion. No grduge I just want to post about the NBA in peace is that so wrong?
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May 21, 2021 21:29
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Here is my MVP tier from March. I plan on doing the final tiers tonight. Updated MVP Tiers. Last post was 2/19 so about a month ago. Tier 1: No one. Tier 2: Lebron: Previously: Tier 1 Pluses: he is still the best player and coach of the three seed in the West. (Some people say it’s the best conference by far.) Even though he is injured at the moment, he is still coaching the team which decreases the impact of him missing time. Extremely strong Narrative game purchased by Clutch. Negatives: He lost to the suns by 40 points. The line on that game was like 20 points and the Suns covered. A few more losses like this and you have to wonder about how good a coach Lebron is. Embiid Previously: Tier 2 Pluses: Playing the best basketball of his life on the #1 seed in the East. He’s truly a two way monster with efficient, play creating offense and versatile defense. Also riding high on the Narrative game. Injury to Lebron helps his case. Negatives: Injuries/missed time. Gobert: Previously: Tier 2 Pluses: Best player on the best team in the West. (Some people say it’s the best conference by far.) One of the best regular season defensive players of all time. Negatives: Absolutely zero narrative. The Mormons must hate him. At least he made the all star team and didn’t have to cry on Twitter again. He is not an offensive creator with the ball though he is underrated I think and his screen setting is underappreciated. CP3 Previously: NEW RANKING Pluses: best player on the #2 seed in the West. . (Some people say it’s the best conference by far.) He gets major points as he, like Lebron, also performs double-duty as Head Coach. He has the Suns playing amazing defense. He plays a lot of games. Negatives: Numbers are solid but don’t pop out at you. 20 PER and .189 ws/48 are just ok, but, as the point guard, team wins are also a stat. he has no narrative at the moment due to the Klutch cabal I suppose. It will likely come late. Tier 3 Giannis Previously: NEW RANKING Pluses: Another amazing regular season on both sides of the ball While Leading his team to the 3 seed in the east. He plays all the time. Negatives: The narrative is solidly against him and its almost impossible for him to win again at this point. Harden: Previously: NEW RANKING Pluses: One of the most gifted offensive regular season players ever. He has lead the Nets to the 2 seed in the east with Durant taking some time off to pursue his social media career. He has to deal with Kyrie and is succeeding. He plays ZERO defense, but as a point guard that is somewhat ok. Negatives: Like Giannis, the Narrative is strong against him. Voters are extremely pro-owner in their POVs and will punish Harden for not showing proper decorum to the capital class. _________________________________________________________ Honorable Mentions Kawhi (previously Tier 2) The Clippers have slipped down to 4 and he’s really boring. I mean hes great but come on. The Mike Trout of the NBA. Durant (Previously Tier 3) Decided to not play basketball anymore I guess. Dame (Previously Tier 3) Portland has slipped out of the top seeds. CP3 stole his mojo. Jokic euphronius hosed around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 22, 2021
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May 21, 2021 21:29
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dew worm posted:is the play-in tourney a gimmick or what? Its sticking around for sure. The lague will try to get Lebron to play in it every year tho
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May 21, 2021 21:30
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Dreylad posted:how is cp3 a mvp contender this year and kyle lowry wasn't last year the voters are ideologically blind or corrupt
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May 21, 2021 21:37
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Flavius Aetass posted:all i know for sure is that the spurs are all nice and cool people who like to help out the community and all other basketball teams are probably flashy showboating ne'er-do-wells yeah they seem nice Pop is a big liberal but he seems harmless did you know he was CIA?
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May 21, 2021 21:47
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i am going to try and decribe true nba value I may be alone talking to walls but I am going to do it the Fantasy stats and Bay Area orthodoxy is wrong
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May 21, 2021 21:53
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my starting point - ans this is revolutionary and lead to my ideological oppression - is that a players value should be based on team success in the real world (the nba league )
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May 21, 2021 21:57
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Harden deserves a F for leaving the rockets. He's also a thin blue line punisher type of guy. yeah narrative is strong against him
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May 22, 2021 00:24
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harden is def on track to be mvp next year . he’s at another level than almost everyone else and I don’t think Durant will ever play close to 70% of games in a season again
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May 22, 2021 00:59
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the nets are interesting to see if they can hold it together and stay healthy for longer than 5 minutes at a time. they could put on a show next year and challenge the old bulls teams as greatest ever
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May 22, 2021 01:00
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https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1395893379871825923?s=21 Dallas trading S. curry for this guy was a major mistake it worked out well for the sixers tho
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May 22, 2021 01:06
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Algund Eenboom posted:Are you planning on only posting about basketball in cspam yes
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May 22, 2021 11:36
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I’m going to have to look at it more closely but it appears an mvp finalist just did not make the playoffs I don’t know if there has ever been a bigger fraud in the nba
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May 22, 2021 11:38
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yes it’s as I suspected  the stats obsessed people have held up Stephen Curry as an mvp and he could not even lead his team to the playoffs there has never been a larger indictment against the modern era of fantasy stats obsession than this
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May 22, 2021 11:39
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Yeah i'd be curious too, I remember reading articles about how Harden has a huge ego. The nets have easily the best roster this year and it's going to be funny to see if the egos manage to get them a championship ring. all the best players have huge egos harden is the only one of the big 3 on the nets who hasn’t won a ring so I’d suspect he will be the most motivated and selfless to make it work
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May 22, 2021 11:42
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this could be a revolutionary moment to critically reasses all stats and coverage of the nba but I suspect people will just make excuses for Curry
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May 22, 2021 12:19
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Asproigerosis posted:Euphrensois are you excited for the debut of embiid? It's been a long 7 years but we're finally going to see the process hit the court for the first time! He is a mystery but I think he will be good. Not as good as Steph Curry tho lol. (jk)
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May 22, 2021 13:41
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Yossarian-22 posted:he basically has no help aside from draymond everyone agrees draymond is probably a hall of famer. is that not enough? two hall of famers cant make the playoffs?
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May 22, 2021 14:29
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Asproigerosis posted:'Xers gonna get bounced first round aren't they The anger of Westbrook may overcome them
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May 22, 2021 14:29
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Westbrook and Beal made the playoffs. I mean come on. Curry is a fraud. Lmao JA MORANT just made the playoffs (Morant is good)
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May 22, 2021 14:30
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here are espns fantasy leaders  you have to question how important fantasy stats are if they don’t actually mean anything the 4th best fantasy player is an average guard on a lottery team
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May 22, 2021 15:06
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this is not just a problem in basketball by the way baseball has long been plagued by people addicted to the simulacrum of stats and “analysis” . I was one too once for example many people are under the mistaken impression that mike trout is one of the most valuable players in baseball !! he is not older people are addicted to stats and “analytics”. they are stuck in their old conservative ways and unable or unwilling to accept new ways of seeing sports that focuses on actual value in real life. they can’t get off their phones to see who actually wins the games euphronius fucked around with this message at 15:09 on May 22, 2021 |
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May 22, 2021 15:07
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yeah kyrie does what he wants . you got to respect that
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May 22, 2021 15:09
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I have seen tons of people argue that an umpire in baseball is wrong calling a ball a strike because they have a picture on their phone from a computer that says the ball was not a strike these people are lost
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May 22, 2021 15:10
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Asproigerosis posted:What is a catch a completed pass
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May 22, 2021 15:21
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Zeroisanumber posted:As a Timberwolves fan it's great to be in the 15th year of our 5 year rebuilding plan. Anthony Randolph seems like a good rookie I was worried he didn’t have the heart to ball
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May 22, 2021 19:21
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I don’t think that is possible the nets are too good
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May 22, 2021 20:01
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I got the tude now posted:i skipped the bubble season and offseason op, who's in golden state still mvp candidate and multiple unanimous MVP! Steph Curry who is an average player and can’t lead a team to the playoffs
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May 22, 2021 20:44
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Epic High Five posted:I dont understand anything about this project but I respect the proudly revolutionary nature of its ideological founding, and its willingness to call out the haters and losers in the orthodoxy marks it as a real throwback to the hits of yesteryear such as Marx, Lenin, and Mao thank you we need to think about how we are thinking g
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May 22, 2021 20:45
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I think where the old regime of espn stat heads (war , win share , per etc) go wrong fundamentally is they fail to consider what has happened and instead create a world of what should have happened based upon their idea of moral basketball played by algorithms this leads to absurdities such as them considering Stephen Curry to not only be very valuable but the most valuable ! this result is an obscenity which would make any honest person blush and reconsider their grounding but the ancient stat heads from Bristol merely double down on their falsity and construct new false houses on their corrupted sands
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May 22, 2021 20:49
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Curry is not the only fraud .
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May 23, 2021 04:00
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another great champion of the fantasy stats people lost at home in the playoffs last night . he is certainly more valuable than Curry so he may lead his team to some playoff success . but the way this guy is raised up as the best player in the nba is another symptom of the deep ideological corruption in the class of people who talk and vote on these important issues most valuable player is an important award. it should go to the player who was the most valuable in the regular season . what is valuable in basketball ? winning games. that’s it. if you didn’t win games you are not as valuable as a player who did . but not all players are the same same obviously and there are 5 on the court for any one team at any moment with the starters getting most of the minutes. so the time played and the style played are also important in determining value when combined with how many games that player won (never forget winning actual games is value) I’ve not defined style of play very well. from watching lots of basketball I have found that the following styles exist and can be summarized like so for the purposes of determining value. this list goes from most valuable to least 1. starters who are two way players. that means they are great on offense and defense. there are graduations even within this but we will skip that for now. these are the stars of the league and for the most part are easily known. they are usually considered the best players on the best teams . 2. players who are great on defense but only ok on offense . 3. players who are great on offense but only ok on defense ————- there is a break here with the top 3 styles generally being valuable and no one else being nearly as valuable as the above ————— 4. the rest of players. the players who make up this category makes up most of the league obviously euphronius fucked around with this message at 13:14 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 12:57
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Here is a teachable moment about how deep the corruption is. Basketball-reference is in some ways a good site in that there are lots of stats available on it. But they also fall into the pitfalls of the stats simulacrum Here is a picture from basketball-reference . coms main page :  You will see a stat called “gmsc” this means “game score” let’s focus on jokic . It says that he had a great night - top three of off players who played - and that his game score was 25.6. This is false. The game score was actually 123-109 and his team lost. He did not have a great night and was actually bad. His opponent in the real world game had an offensive rating of 134.* as jokic is the most important defensive player on his team (the center) this is his fault . He lost the game basically. This is not valuable. if you look at the list above good on offense and bad on defense is not valuable (or not as valuable than the other styles) Now a stats person will say no he was valuable look at the game score ! But now you know they don’t care about the real game score. They live in a house of distorted mirrors * offensive rating is just points scored normalized to a static number of possessions per game as that number of possessions can fluctuate. euphronius fucked around with this message at 13:13 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 13:06
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he was lucky in the sense that he has played with actual real valuable players and has shared in their glory yes
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May 23, 2021 13:17
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Yossarian-22 posted:lol who the gently caress uses "game score" stats? look at curry's on/off numbers over his career. klay was a shooter of average efficiency with curry benched whereas the reverse isn't true I don’t know what you are trying to argue can you be more clear
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May 23, 2021 16:02
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