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DynamicSloth posted:Not the only one: Giant bitch. The biggest bitch anyone has seen. Many people are saying it! It’s amazing that the only credible alternative to Trudeau and Polliver is a man who manages to combine the most disagreeable qualities of both.
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Apr 15, 2024 04:09
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PT6A posted:I don't think it can really be overstated what a massive, steaming pile of poo poo Jagmeet Singh and the federal NDP are at the moment. I actually find him more repulsive than Polliver, on the basis that at least that little prick has the decency to be reasonably honest about what a venal, stupid little dweeb he is. Singh is very much the same, but pretends to be something else. Agreed 100% easily the worst NDP leader at any level I've ever seen
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Apr 15, 2024 11:38
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Arabian Jesus posted:Agreed 100% easily the worst NDP leader at any level I've ever seen Let's not be too hasty while Andrea Horwath exists.
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Apr 15, 2024 13:06
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It feels like we're living in some loving alternate reality here. WHAT ESCALATION JAGMEET? Israel bombed them, they acted with massive restraint. What the gently caress is going on.
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Apr 15, 2024 13:38
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Fidelitious posted:It feels like we're living in some loving alternate reality here. WHAT ESCALATION JAGMEET? He’s saying nothing out of ordinary from the entire political class all over the western world. Every elected official is lying to us and it’s obvious.
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Apr 15, 2024 14:03
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I think what’s completely incomprehensible about Jagmeet is this: if he’s acting based on ideology, I can’t make sense of what that ideology might be; if he’s acting strategically, I can make out even less of what that strategy might be.
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Apr 15, 2024 14:26
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McGavin posted:Let's not be too hasty while Andrea Horwath exists. We made somebody who spent years under Andrea Horwath party leader and you won't believe what happened next
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Apr 15, 2024 14:26
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Arabian Jesus posted:Agreed 100% easily the worst NDP leader at any level I've ever seen Let me introduce you to Tom Mulcair.
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Apr 15, 2024 14:43
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Rust Martialis posted:Let me introduce you to Tom Mulcair. I'd put Mulcair ahead of Landlord Singh personally but I'll concede that's based entirely on vibes
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Apr 15, 2024 16:16
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I do wonder why any party that holds seats in parliament or queen's park seems so weak and ineffectual (unless they're conservative in which case they do exactly what their base wants). Like if someone campaigned on a more aggressive platform, would it translate to votes or are milquetoast centrist parties simply a reflection of the Canadian electorate and WE are the extremists?
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Apr 15, 2024 16:28
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Kraftwerk posted:Like if someone campaigned on a more aggressive platform, would it translate to votes or are milquetoast centrist parties simply a reflection of the Canadian electorate and WE are the extremists? Neoliberalism is the norm among the majority of Canadians, yes. Most people espouse leftist beliefs and ideals until the exact moment that they would have to pay for something or do something slightly less comfortable.
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Apr 15, 2024 16:46
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McGavin posted:Let's not be too hasty while Andrea Horwath exists. Horwath isn't even the worst ONDP leader of the 21st century. Not that her reputation deserves any increase but the leader her staff arranged to take her place is already hemorrhaging seats and is going to leave the caucus a smoking crater after 2026.
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Apr 15, 2024 16:54
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PT6A posted:if he’s acting based on ideology, I can’t make sense of what that ideology might be; if he’s acting strategically, I can make out even less of what that strategy might be. This kind of sums up the NDP for a long while now sadly.
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Apr 15, 2024 17:16
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Kraftwerk posted:I do wonder why any party that holds seats in parliament or queen's park seems so weak and ineffectual (unless they're conservative in which case they do exactly what their base wants). Like if someone campaigned on a more aggressive platform, would it translate to votes or are milquetoast centrist parties simply a reflection of the Canadian electorate and WE are the extremists? Buddy, this thread will probably get you on a watchlist. There's a reason leftist parties barely even exist and the NDP couldn't form a federal government to save their lives and it's not because they're too mainstream. OTOH, being Liberals but Orange is not actually a selling point for anyone, because they can just vote for the real deal instead of the store brand knock-off. DynamicSloth posted:Horwath isn't even the worst ONDP leader of the 21st century. Not that her reputation deserves any increase but the leader her staff arranged to take her place is already hemorrhaging seats and is going to leave the caucus a smoking crater after 2026. I can't wait to see if the vote congeals behind Bonnie Crombie's Liberals or if we can enjoy 1000 years of PCPO reign because neither of the other parties can get their poo poo together in less than a generation. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Apr 15, 2024 17:46
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Can we make Charlie Angus the leader of the NDP yet? e: flipping back through NDP leadership contests is wild, Svend Robinson apparently was part of a group of NDP MPs who heckled Ronnie Reagan when he was giving some pro-Contra speech in the House of Commons? That rules. also fuckin'  I am now a Svend Robinson stan 20 years too late:quote:In 2003, Liberal Senator Jerry Grafstein suggested that September 11 be designated as "America Day" to commemorate the American victims of September 11, 2001. Robinson proposed that the day also be designated as "Chile Day", to mark the overthrow of Chilean president Salvador Allende's democratically elected government on September 11, 1973. Neither proposal was accepted. e2: on the other hand what a dumb way to go out, on a third hand the RCMP swooping in to villain it up as reliably as ever quote:In April 2004, shortly before the 2004 election, Robinson admitted to the theft of an expensive ring from a public auction site. He turned himself in to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and returned the ring shortly after police visited his home and office, wishing to speak with him. While the auction company publicly stated that they did not wish to pursue charges, Robinson was charged and pleaded guilty. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Apr 15, 2024 18:15
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I got a federal ndp membership just to vote for Charlie Angus for leadership. I think he came second? He would have been a way more passionate and straightforward leader. I've appreciated how bluntly he calls poo poo out over the years, and I rarely disagree with his opinions. Unfortunately, he's stepping down as MP, not sure if he's just retiring or pursuing something else.
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Apr 15, 2024 18:26
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We all wish Niki Ashton won
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Apr 15, 2024 18:39
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I think also one of the big problems is also people’s general theory of change revolves around having “good people in the room”, which is a very neoliberal framework and this includes the NDP. If you have bold policy but do not have the movement to support it, it’s very easy for even well-intentioned advocates to cave when the answer is no from power. Getting average people involved whether it’s community groups, labour etc. is just as much the key as having the good policy makers elected. https://open.spotify.com/episode/3OwnUY2rDGJgVnxyBvedTD?si=EWjW3qERSZSiCaqukT3LNg This podcast episode is really interesting and helps understand what is the difference between advocacy and mobilizing vs. organizing. In my union work experience this phenomenon is endemic and most union members just expect that the people in office will do everything for them. This falls strongly on generational lines where Gen x workers are solidly neolib in approach and don’t want to do anything to make the union work, it’s a “I pay my dues and you do it all” mentality, which ultimately is ineffective. Millennial and now zoomer workers think differently and are more likely to see their involvement as critical in success, though I suspect that the housing crisis has put these workers in more dire straights and they have less to lose.
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Apr 15, 2024 19:02
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PittTheElder posted:Can we make Charlie Angus the leader of the NDP yet? Well he recently announced he won't be seeking re-election so probably not.
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Apr 15, 2024 19:30
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Leah Gazan seems cool, I'd nominate her for NDP leadership if I ever hated myself enough to actually be a member of a political party.
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Apr 15, 2024 19:50
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Precambrian Video Games posted:Well he recently announced he won't be seeking re-election so probably not. https://x.com/StephanieKusie/status/1777506290820128790 Maybe he'll change his mind just to spite this woman
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Apr 15, 2024 20:19
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drat pretty cold of Charlie to post that own. Wait she posted it? LMAO
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Apr 15, 2024 20:49
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quote:On Monday morning, Conservative MP Garnett Genuis posted on social media that the party would move a motion to immediately list the IRGC as a terrorist organization. NDP going to win the next election outflanking the Liberals from the right on foreign policy.
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Apr 15, 2024 21:25
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apatheticman posted:https://x.com/StephanieKusie/status/1777506290820128790 Hahaha "we're going to miss you... NOT" what an epic own! Who is she and what does she do again? She served as a senior policy advisor to Peter Kent on Latin America. Her responsibilities included negotiating free trade deals, work related to the Keystone Pipeline project, and lobbying the United Nations to place Canada on the Security Council. Yeah good luck with all of that... NOT.
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Apr 15, 2024 21:46
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In retrospect Guy Caron was probably the right move of the four in that contest considering that Singh's selling point of being able to make in roads in fast growing suburban Canada absolutely and spectacularly failed to materialize and being from QC Caron presumably had a better of a chance than all other candidates of holding onto the QC seats that Mulcair was losing, and which Singh ended up entirely losing.
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Apr 15, 2024 21:50
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Bring back Pat Martin
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Apr 15, 2024 22:29
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#belllet'stalk about never watching parliament unless you're paid to as the best form of mental health care.
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Apr 15, 2024 23:35
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DynamicSloth posted:NDP going to win the next election outflanking the Liberals from the right on foreign policy. Yeah, was going to post about this also. These feckless assholes have no line when it comes to backing up Israel. Obviously the IRGC sucks but if they're a terrorist organization then so is the IDF. It mostly makes no sense to bring back up the designation topic after a very restrained response to having their consulate bombed by Israel.
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Apr 16, 2024 14:05
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Drunk Canuck posted:We all wish Niki Ashton won And here I thought we had learned our lesson about second-generation politicians.
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Apr 16, 2024 15:55
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Fairness for every generation, lol. Can I trade my free school lunches for a couple decades of insane capital appreciation on multiple properties? E. Snark notwithstanding, resurrection of the standardized housing design catalogue containing pre-approved designs is nice to see. I hope the line about scaling up prefabricated construction goes somewhere as well. Guest2553 fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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Apr 16, 2024 21:12
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Fidelitious posted:Yeah, was going to post about this also. These feckless assholes have no line when it comes to backing up Israel. I'm a lesser evil voter as well.
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Apr 16, 2024 23:16
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I can not wait for a Carbon Tax Election™.
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Apr 17, 2024 00:04
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McGavin posted:I can not wait for a Carbon Tax Election™. Can’t wait to relitigate (again) whether climate change is happening as the country burns to a crisp around us
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Apr 17, 2024 00:07
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I mean Ontario had an election over a loving pointless highway, so even just acknowlging climate change is a bit of progress, no?
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Apr 17, 2024 00:14
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I’m picturing our various political parties debating trans bathroom stuff and how its inhumane not to allow people to own multiple houses as our quality of life continues to nosedive. Already thinking of what protest vote to write in my Tory rear end riding.
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Apr 17, 2024 01:47
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My MP is probably and really shouldn't run for re election even though she's been fine. She's been out like a year plus with cancer. Terrified of what empty Brampton business suit slumlords the Liberals and NDP will drop into Etobicoke North Isentropy fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 13:48
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my right-wing boss told me he's voting Trudeau despite hating him specifically because he thinks Poilievre's bitcoin obsession is the stupidest thing to ever exist
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Apr 17, 2024 15:34
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Typo posted:my right-wing boss told me he's voting Trudeau despite hating him specifically because he thinks Poilievre's bitcoin obsession is the stupidest thing to ever exist He's not wrong.
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Apr 17, 2024 15:45
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Honestly the world economy taking money out of Blackrock and putting it into some shitcoin would probably have a positive impact at this point.
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Apr 17, 2024 15:57
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Typo posted:my right-wing boss told me he's voting Trudeau despite hating him specifically because he thinks Poilievre's bitcoin obsession is the stupidest thing to ever exist there is a small glimmer of hope in the world
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Apr 17, 2024 16:08
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