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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Sports Argument Stadium > NBA 2021 Gone Fishin' Thread: A Who's Who of Godspower
 
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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 What's the draftclass look like? Raps have 3 picks, but I'm not opposed to making a trade or 4

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Lockback posted:

Good, v. good at the top. I don't think anyone is moving from the middle to the top 3/4 but there's a bunch of good guys on the Lottery.

I believe Toronto owns #7, so could be good, I certainly trust Ujiri's judgment

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 I keep seeing two guys linked to Toronto: Davion Mitchell and Keon Johnson. What's the story with these guys?

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Declan MacManus posted:

i think utah's bigger problem is bringing in perimeter defenders and potentially a smaller/quicker backup for rudy that would allow them to match up more effectively with small ball teams which would be hard to fit in under the cap but idk that's just me

Has the DPOY ever been traded after winning the award before? I'm not saying they need to do it, but they could, I guess?

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 A youtube fella did a breakdown of Raptor FA targets

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2SI-uMyK1k&t=973s

I liked some of the ideas.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Rick posted:

Vid is really well done. Even if you don’t care about the Raptors at all might be worth watching since they explain some basic cap stuff.

Agreed, the cap explanation stuff was helpful.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

MourningView posted:

I have discovered this is not true

As did Suns fans

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 KCP got robbed at gunpoint.

Also Magic Johnson thinks AD should play C and Bronski should play off ball next year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/magic-johnson-says-lakers-should-play-anthony-davis-at-center-move-lebron-james-off-ball-next-season/

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 I know Siakam had a serious injury and some regression but given some of the offers rumoured for him, a potentially good C prospect and a mediocre-good 1st rounder isn't really enough. We don't know if he's gonna lbe able to make changes or not. This isn't Ben Simmons being clearly rattled.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

paternity suitor posted:

I kinda buy into the Zach Lowe take that more teams will try to be like the Suns and look for that one big move to jump start their team. It doesn't make any sense to me to blow up the Raptors. Give them a normal season and they'll be fine.

Yeah their injury issues were pretty bad. Couple that with losing almost every decent big man in the prior off-season, it's not surprising they struggled.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Dejan Bimble posted:

Plus they were in Tampa, which is where I've been staying in hotels for the last 2 months. Not a place for peak performance. Not a place for much of anything except headquartering insurance companies for tax reasons

Yeah. I get why trading for somebody like Ben Simmons could be appealing, to address another Raptors trade rumor, but my feeling is he is an awfully expensive roll of the dice.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 I genuinely don't know, is Blake worth a MLE at this point? Or is he utterly cooked because of his explosiveness being gone due to injuries?

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 Part 2 of the Secret Base Cavs series https://youtu.be/CoSazDGyOz0

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 FIBA U19 Basketvall World Cup games are on YouTube for those who are interested. Watching Spain beat up Argentina rn.

Spain has a C named Jeffery Godspower.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jul 3, 2021

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 Is Atlanta in a spot to replace him with someone better?

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 Apparently an idea ESPN is floating is thus

OKC receives:
#4 Pick
Aron Baynes for salary purposes


TOR receives:
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, then offers him mad duckets

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Dexo posted:

lmao Shai is better than literally anyone outside of Cade/Mobley in this draft. Those two are the only ones where I would even think about trading Shai for a single pick.

Yeah, OKC would have to plan on bringing in some big money talent to even justify it, then be drat sure one of the Jalens was gonna be there and pan out, although I guess it could be one of those "You pick him for us, then the trade is complete" deals

Sports media loves to do "Big talent wants to go home" narratives. I'd lose my poo poo if it happened though.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 4, 2021

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

morestuff posted:

I feel like that SGA thing has been posted like three times. It was like one of six fake trades in a garbage filler article, relax

I'd just seen it, my bad!

What's the story with this Sengun guy?

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Veryslightlymad posted:

He's an incredibly intriguing throwback prospect.

The best thing about him is his ability to score in the low post. Once drafted, his post footwork would be among the best in the NBA immediately. This is a teenager with a full-on torture chamber. He prefers his dominant hand, but his footwork is so good he can usually get a shot off with the preferred hand regardless. Keep in mind, he can still score with the other hand. He just prefers not to. He's ridiculously patient. He's got some nasty up and unders and drop steps and spin moves without picking up his wrong foot. He'll toss a succession of post moves at a guy to dig out his shot.

Making this even better is his second best trait, his passing and general feel for the game. I'll talk about passing first. Sengun is a willing passer, but he's also an audacious and creative passer. He'll throw from really weird angles and just completely blindside the defense. He'll throw no-look and behind the back passes as a big man. He'll throw those wide side-arm whip passes to get angles. He can angle a bounce pass. He'll pass from the post, he'll pass from outside to cutters or an open corner, and he'll pass from the short roll. While he's definitely better if he has a second to make a read, he shows flashes of making a rapid decision touch pass. If he has a drawback with passing, it's that sometimes he can be a little too gutsy or cute, and it might cause a turnover. If he can apply the discipline he shows in the post to his approach to passing, he could take a big jump here, too.

Feel of the game is the other big thing he has going for him. Sengun seems to have a knack for knowing where players are on the court, as well as how the ball is going to travel. He's a very good rebounder, is quick to box out, and frequently shifts just a little bit during a box out because he's guessed the angle before the ball comes off the rim. This predictive ability makes him quite solid on tip ins. On defense, he's got a knack for finding angles and controlling himself--going straight up and not fouling, or sticking with his man when he's beaten and getting the angle and timing right for a block from behind. He's gotten a lot of blocks. I talked about passing up above, and his floor awareness is another thing that helps with it. He seems to know where his teammates are, and what weird angle he'd have to use to hit them, and he has the balls to actually try it if he thinks he can pull it off. All these things make him fun to watch. Like, at this point, as long as he's good enough, I want him in the league just because he's fun.

He's not super explosive, but he can take off if he's given room to. Given an open lane, he can and has dunked on guys with some nasty power finishes with either or both hands. He has blocked perimeter players attempting 3s on closeouts a couple of times. (Although, that he had enough space to get that much of a run at it speaks to one of his negatives, I'll talk about that in a sec)

From a raw statistics standpoint, as a teenager going against grown men in the Turkish Super League, a pretty good basketball league, (better than NCAA, at any rate) Sengun led the league in Points, Offensive Rebounds, and Field Goal Percentage (and effective field goal percentage), while being second place in Total Rebounds, Blocks, True Shooting Percentage and Free Throw Attempts. And third in Free Throws Made. He shoots 81% from Free Throw range, which hopefully indicates he can extend his range in time. At any rate, he put up those stats on only 28 minutes per game, making him way outside the top 10 in minutes per game. For this, he was named the Turkish Super League's MVP.

If you deliberately mis-interpreted his last name (Pronounced Shen Goon) as a Japanese "Shin" and the English word "Goon" (instead of Turkish) his name would mean something like "True Holy Sainted Hero of the Goons". (I think the real meaning of Sengun is closer to something like "happy day." So Heroic Saint of the Happy Day is still pretty good.)

The big drawbacks and question marks he has are fairly big:

His side-to-side movement is fairly limited. His hips don't have the same fluidity of the rest of him. There's serious questions on his defense, especially in a league as explosive and movement heavy as the NBA. He's got some trouble closing out when he has to switch to a perimeter threat. There's a serious question mark on if he could be played right off the court in the NBA.

Personally, I think his positioning reads outweigh this, and he has the potential to be a fairly good NBA defender. Not an actually good defender, mind you, but a guy that wouldn't necessarily be a big net negative. As it stands, I'm still in the corner that "His offense probably already makes up for his defense" and he could have a long, productive NBA career. His current offense with the floor of his defense is still probably a guy that could come off the bench and find you points. I think his floor looks something like if Luis Scola came into the NBA 10 years earlier in his career and was a better passer. He doesn't have the Scola Scoop though.

This is a restaurant quality writeup, thanks

He sounds like Kevin McHale, kinda

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

morestuff posted:

Between "Nikola Jovic" and this guy I'm convinced we're living in a 2K simulated draft

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1413900928793649156?s=20

Kenny Lofton, eh?

It's funny that they aren't related, especially since Kenny originally attended Arizona to play basketball, I think he's one of a few who played in WS and Final Four

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 10, 2021

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
 A raptors blog linked to an article saying that Chicago is interested in Lowry (and other PG's too)



https://tinyurl.com/8prv8f2t

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

morestuff posted:

Would Charlotte trading No. 11 for the Knicks' 19 and 22 be terrible value or is that about right? Only similar trade I remember is the Bulls trading 16 + 19 for the 11th pick to grab McDermott.

Who does NYK go after at 11?

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

morestuff posted:

There's some talk they're trying to move up in the draft to have a better pick to dangle for Sexton

That seems odd, is Sexton really worth all that maneuvering? Could the Knicks not use the depth?

Edit: n/m I didn't realize he'd developed as much as he has

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Calidus posted:

Does that up your available cap space at all?

It means that there's no guaranteed contract coming out of this draft for them, so I'd think a 1-2 million if they stash someone

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