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Ulio posted:Good to know. I did dex build at launch , now mage and probably gonna do one more before dlc. I totally forgot guard counter, I remember using shield once to check shield bash which is a great ash of war. gavel of haima and deaths poker were mainstays for my unga bunga int character.
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the optimum build in bloodboorne is to beeline for the shiny shield on your back while you twohand the biggest hammer or sword you can find
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guard countering is cool and well designed and all but I would often rather just nosell something's attacks and poke them back with a sharp stick. -t. monster hunter lance player
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Apr 24, 2024 00:13
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did some prep work for the DLC on my NG+ character, if all you need to do is reach miquella's cocoon then i should be all set wonder if this might be the first fromsoft DLC i managed to out-level. i'm 185 and rolling +10 starscourge blades. enemies still hit very hard but it doesn't mean much when my every swing is like dropping a sharpened refrigerator on them
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Oxxidation posted:did some prep work for the DLC on my NG+ character, if all you need to do is reach miquella's cocoon then i should be all set TWO sharpened refrigerators! Probably my favorite weapon in the game, even if it's not a min/max choice by any means. Being paired also means you can still guard counter because the powerstance is on R1 It was funny my first playthrough before anybody knew they had +30% damage to gravity type enemies, being among the vanishing few who thought the fallingstar beast and Astel weren't a big deal at all There is mention of a secondary leveling system, possibly like the giant souls from DS2 but nobody really knows, so being overleveled or not hopefully shouldn't be a big issue. I think going through on NG+ is going to be something mere levels aren't going to spare you from.
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I hate the Shunning-Grounds so much. Such an awful area. It's got every miserable enemy in the game. Lobsters, Omen, even a loving Revenant, and the whole place is a twisting brown soup of double-backs and dead-ends. Every time I get there, I end up betting the game down for a few days because the prospect of clearing it out makes just... tired.
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if you aren't running heal specifically for revenants ...why, actually? nevermind where else this could have gone
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I forgot to put a heal on, cause I swapped that slot with Flame Cleanse Me!
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Apr 24, 2024 05:07
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LazyMaybe posted:guard countering is cool and well designed and all but I would often rather just nosell something's attacks and poke them back with a sharp stick. I mean, sure, Monster Hunter weapons are hilariously fun to use. Even the bowguns have fun shenanigans like loading up a magazine of machine gun ammo and going ham on whatever is vaguely in front of you. Now I want an Insect Glaive in Elden Ring so that I can fight dragons in the air and laugh at them.
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Skippy McPants posted:I hate the Shunning-Grounds so much. Such an awful area. It's got every miserable enemy in the game. Lobsters, Omen, even a loving Revenant, and the whole place is a twisting brown soup of double-backs and dead-ends. I actually really like it as one of the most confusing places in the game. I kind of wish they broke it up a bit with some pretty parts (like a big green waterfall of sewage or something) just so that there was something nice to look at. Feels very Last of Us PS3 Brown otherwise.
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Apr 24, 2024 15:09
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Sometimes the level design should hate you. I hate that area but that's what makes it good too
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a primate posted:I actually really like it as one of the most confusing places in the game. I kind of wish they broke it up a bit with some pretty parts (like a big green waterfall of sewage or something) just so that there was something nice to look at. Feels very Last of Us PS3 Brown otherwise. the subterranean stunning grounds
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Not one of their better sewers tbh
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I respect what a nightmare it is to navigate, it feels like it breaks some cardinal rule of level design conveyance on purpose
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No Dignity posted:I respect what a nightmare it is to navigate, it feels like it breaks some cardinal rule of level design conveyance on purpose it really makes you feel like youve found a dark secret when you reach the lowest rooms
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always fun to hit that one zone in a fromsoft game that’s like “YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PLACE WHERE NOTHING GOOD EVER HAPPENS”
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Apr 24, 2024 16:35
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Similar feeling when I found that flattened… thing at Stormveil.
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Skippy McPants posted:I hate the Shunning-Grounds so much. Such an awful area. It's got every miserable enemy in the game. Lobsters, Omen, even a loving Revenant, and the whole place is a twisting brown soup of double-backs and dead-ends. To me the worst part is the death blight toads, they're terrible in Dark Souls too. You go from fighting to running back and forth out of range of the instakill clouds. Brings the game to a screeching halt.
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ban all bassilisks
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Meowywitch posted:ban all bassilisks I think they're cute. Little gecko looking buddies.
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scary ghost dog posted:melee mage with carian slicer, greatsword and piercer is an extremely fun build. carian slicer even has jump and roll attacks Ya I dabbled with that for some of the fights vs shielded opponents. I am made out of paper though so I feel like I need to stay out of range.
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Mustached Demon posted:I think they're cute. Little gecko looking buddies. When I ran across them in ER, I think I first saw those eyes and was like  IRL. It was like meeting an old friend. 
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The funniest thing about the shunning grounds is sticking yet another mindfuck troll catacombs down there.
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I don't mind the confusing layout of the shunning grounds but the enemy selection does bother me a bit. It's full of enemies who are so tanky it's basically pointless to actually engage with them, and enemies that are mostly harmless if you're careful but force you to wait patiently for their bullshit to disperse (the poison flowers + the curse frogs), two of my least favorite design patterns in Fromsoft games generally.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:59
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Beast-Repelling Torch makes them harmless.
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I like the shunning grounds especially the catacombs in there that are designed to gently caress with you basilisks i just run forward and kill them quickly since they don’t spray the mist backwards
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Shunning grounds rules, it's exactly what you're told it's gonna be, it's still got a central chamber linking all its twisty awful paths together, some good loot including a Somber 7, fun dungeon with one of the situationally best talismen in the game, significantly harder than the city above it, literal surprise corpse pit with horrible enemies, it's got it all. I never really feel like a build is complete or worth a drat if I can't clear out everything down there before I leave dragontown.
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The descent at the end was beautifully atmospheric.
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Oxxidation posted:always fun to hit that one zone in a fromsoft game that’s like “YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PLACE WHERE NOTHING GOOD EVER HAPPENS” one zone? i thought that was just the entire world in all their games
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Wafflecopper posted:one zone? i thought that was just the entire world in all their games Majula is incredibly comfy
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Epic High Five posted:Shunning grounds rules, it's exactly what you're told it's gonna be, it's still got a central chamber linking all its twisty awful paths together, some good loot including a Somber 7, fun dungeon with one of the situationally best talismen in the game, significantly harder than the city above it, literal surprise corpse pit with horrible enemies, it's got it all. I never really feel like a build is complete or worth a drat if I can't clear out everything down there before I leave dragontown. It's my favorite dungeon of the game. I love all the little shortcuts you can open up back to the main grace.
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Node posted:Majula is incredibly comfy just don't gently caress with the pigs
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I don’t know how anyone can complain about the cute little death geckos when there’s a pit with 3 lobsters in it
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't mind the confusing layout of the shunning grounds but the enemy selection does bother me a bit. It's full of enemies who are so tanky it's basically pointless to actually engage with them, and enemies that are mostly harmless if you're careful but force you to wait patiently for their bullshit to disperse (the poison flowers + the curse frogs), two of my least favorite design patterns in Fromsoft games generally. Greatshield guard-counters can trivialize Omens. You have to dodge their magic, but their melees turn into a non-issue. Beat Malenia with a 25 Giant Crusher with Lions Claw and blood infusion. Pancaking her with Lions Claw is great, it feels like your using a looney tunes mallet. Plus if you hit her with an R1 after she gets up you can get her to recoil than hit her with another R1 to stance break her. I've never unga'd more bunga.
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You can stunlock omens with jumping attacks, only their non-weapon moves give them hyperarmor* *except for that one combo those axe wielding ones do.
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I'm aware. "Build full stagger -> critical attack twice to kill an enemy that generally can't or won't follow you anyways and gives a pittance of souls even if you do bother to kill them" doesn't really do anything to dispel what I'm talking about. I usually full-cleared areas in DS3 (up until the DLC) because most enemies will die to 2-3 hits with a level-appropriate big weapon and soul payouts for actually fighting stuff stays relevant for way longer (compared to Elden Ring where it feels like all your progress comes from either bosses or a brief period when entering a higher-level area for the first time, which then trails off very quickly). In Sekiro, killing enemies recharges your resurrection meter and also they occasionally drop Spirit Emblems. Also sen is separate from XP and sen prices are relatively static, so that's even more incentive to pick fights unless you're already completely topped off and beelining to a boss. Elden Ring does something similar with its flask recharges for killing enemy pods... but only in open world areas, not dungeons. So in dungeons you're right back to "why would I even bother to fight for all risk and no reward?" Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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in general, souls games encourage full-clearing an area the first time so you can safely dig through nooks and crannies to find loot, and subsequent runs only really require facing the enemies that are threatening, who are usually also the enemies with a chance to drop unique weapons. i think they did a good job building this structure
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Elden Ring also has problems with loot distribution in general. For some reason they made the bizarre decision to concentrate weapon upgrade mats in specific zones, so that doesn't really function as a carrot a lot of the time. Flask upgrades almost exclusively come from open world exploration, so that's another universally-relevant reward that doesn't really apply to dungeon-based incentives. Unless you do a full-blind run where you don't know where anything is yet, most of Elden Ring's dungeon loot is either highly build-specific (and thus useless to any character outside of that build) or stuff that just isn't very appealing, period. e: Admittedly a lot of this is just fallout from the decision to make an open world game in the first place, which effectively ruled out the approach where they can assume the player will progress through every zone or nearly every zone in a relatively fixed order. If you just scattered those weapon and flask upgrade mats everywhere DS3-style without changing anything else about the game, there would be way more of them than you ever needed and then you're right back to them being pointless again, just for a different reason. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Elden Ring also has problems with loot distribution in general. For some reason they made the bizarre decision to concentrate weapon upgrade mats in specific zones, so that doesn't really function as a carrot a lot of the time. Flask upgrades almost exclusively come from open world exploration, so that's another universally-relevant reward that doesn't really apply to dungeon-based incentives. imo the smithing stones are the biggest problem here, particularly the non-somber ones. I can't remember offhand which number I get stuck on, but one of the lower-level stones (3 or 4) is stupid rare and it sometimes feels easier to sequence break to get the loving bell bearing in Altus than it is just to upgrade it normally. I also find it dumb that it's 12 of each stone. That sucks and compounds the problem. The drop rate of non-somber stones should be notably increased and all monsters should drop some of the lower level ones up to the relative zone level, meaning that an enemy that's in a zone that's scaled against the upgrades from smithing stone 4 should drop 4/3/2 at least.
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Yeah I complained about that a lot when I was regularly building characters. It’s gotta be intentional dynamic but it’s still nuts. If you want over 2 standard weapons, you’re gonna be buying rocks…and that’s IF you know where everything is.
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