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Cessna posted:Bring back Malal, cowards. Be'lakor really does fit his description though, and even Archeon in his novel follows the whole "destroy everything including the gods of chaos" nihilism thing.
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I think the Reclusian is a great example of the over-gribbly-fication of AOS models. The new Cities stuff is CHOCK full of tiny little bits and details, same for the Darkoath guys, same for the new SCE. More is not always more, it just makes it a pain in the rear end to paint.
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Muir posted:I really like the Ruination chamber lore but it's also pretty similar to my understanding of Dreadnoughts in 40k, so that feels a bit less original than it did at first. Kind of. The earlier hints of the Ruination chamber were that they were like the Death Company or WHFB dwarf slayers. Half-mad suicide troops, which is a trope which GW likes to use a lot across all its games and is maybe getting a bit played out. By comparison, yeah, the dreadnought idea of increasingly mentally ‘not there’ but still capable troops with minders has been done but I think not as run into the ground? And cool minis. The main dudes are a bit static but it’s good to see the random background weirdos from the art crop up and even be represented in the unit background.
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Apr 15, 2024 17:17
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Very big fan of accompanying little guys, less fan of the clutter.
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Apr 15, 2024 17:20
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Great Horned Rat is the Chaos God of Ruination.
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Yeah. These guys are part Death Company, part Dreadnought, but given an extra dimension by how much more human Stormcast are than Marines. There's also an inevitability to them that the loose Marine equivalents lack. A Dreadnought is a special circumstance. Not every Blood Angel falls to the Death Company. But this? This is the inevitable fate of every single Stormcast.
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Big fan of the weird little guys, every army should have some weird little guys. The lore is cool as hell, too.
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Apr 15, 2024 17:39
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A lot of armies are weird little guys when you put them next to a stormcast.
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Cessna posted:Bring back Malal, cowards. They can't because Malal is copyrighted by someone else as I recall.
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I dunno, I'm really feeling the new designs. I think having a bunch of crap slapped on helps break up the mono color look, even if it comes off busy and maybe messy. I like all the extra plates and details on the edges too, which also helps. The best though, is the helmet look, before the armor had this "armor that looks like people" and it's moved more toward "living suit of armor" which is, essentially, what the Stormcast become.
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I'm imagining you have like one or two units of these guys next to the more clean Liberators and Prosecutors so you're not going to spend your time painting entire armies of the fuckers. I'm not gagging to return to AoS but fi someone offered me the stormcast I'd take em I guess.
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I assume they'll be expensive in points like Annihilators, so, at least you'll see 3 or 6... hopefully.
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Talas posted:I assume they'll be expensive in points like Annihilators, so, at least you'll see 3 or 6... hopefully.
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Apr 15, 2024 23:01
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They all come with a minder so it would be a 6 model unit size 
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The horned rat, like his equivalent the emperor/dark king is Ruination. This is clearest with Nurgle, which has a cycle of life and death, new diseases and fungi growing in the body of the old. But under the Horned Rat is disease that just kills, that leaves no life behind. It is violence without courage, reproduction without pleasure, disease without new life, schemes without cleverness. A world where khorne won would be endless slaughter and violence, but if the GHR wins there will just be nothing, no possibility of rebuilding, of anything.
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Goddamn the Horned Rat rules
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Lostconfused posted:They all come with a minder so it would be a 6 model unit size
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My guess, based purely on aesthetics, is that they'll come in a unit of 5 like the chosen. Because that seems like the most comparable thing to me.
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I like these dudes quite a bit, the much more grim design gives SCE some much needed visual edge and it's much closer to John Blanche's original SCE artwork
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When will GW release a box that is solely composed of all their weird little guys, a move which would make them one billion dollars and restore order to the galaxy
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Never, because most people would buy the one box instead of the many kits you can be convinced to buy if they sell them piecemeal.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/16/kit-focus-these-versatile-darkoath-miniatures-have-sworn-an-oath-to-customisation/ Here's a kit focus article for the new Darkoath if you want to try to glean anything interesting from it.
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They keep bringing up how the new darkoath are the opposite of cities of sigmarquote:The Darkoath Chieftain on Warsteed is a foreboding soul, a dark and ruthless mirror of the Freeguild Cavalier-Marshal. Was the sigmar/chaos thing always this explicit or are they making it even more obvious about the parallels between "slaves to darkness" and cities/sigmar armies?
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/16/kit-focus-these-versatile-darkoath-miniatures-have-sworn-an-oath-to-customisation/ Horses that aren't attached to the riders are back on the menu, boys!
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Lostconfused posted:They keep bringing up how the new darkoath are the opposite of cities of sigmar I think it's like, when everything was poo poo, Sigmar swooped in and 'saved' a certain portion of humanity, which became the Cities of Sigmar people. The rest were left in the chaos wastes and became the Slaves to Darkness. So, the chaos humans are basically mad that Sigmar saved some, but not them, so now they're rivals. Or something.
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Ravendas posted:I think it's like, when everything was poo poo, Sigmar swooped in and 'saved' a certain portion of humanity, which became the Cities of Sigmar people. The rest were left in the chaos wastes and became the Slaves to Darkness.
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Yeah the Darkoath were abandoned by Sigmar, not the other way around. Now if they have any cultural memory of Sigmar at all it's as "the betrayer god" and combined that with the sigmarites being a bunch of sneering imperialists who want to "civilize" them and you have a pretty bitter conflict.
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They also don't really have the same concept of Chaos that the other chaos armies do. They don't worship any of the gods or really know they exist. They just know there are dark spirits that offer them protection and boons in return for their loyalty. The really chaos corrupted members are viewed with suspicion and outcast from the tribe. To me, they kind of read like the orcs from the first two Warcraft games.
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Even loyalty might be pushing it, the Darkoath don’t seem that keen on the idea so much as making temporary pacts and bargains with (to them) vague low-fantasy spirits of, like, strength or endurance. The cities have their guns and militaries and stormcast, this is the risky weapon they reach for to fight back. You had a bit of this with some of the background in 6th ed WHFB. I get the impression the darkoath distrust truly chaotic things because to embrace chaos is to lose yourself and exchange one tyrant god for another. But then hubristically thinking you can make a deal with the chaos gods and come out ahead is kind of the core conceit of warhams in general, even if you’re just doing it temporarily to resist Azyrite imperialism or whatever.
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Honestly i think darkoath would look alot cooler if they really leaned into the artstyle of the artist Adrian smiths from his comic 'HATE', i was completely blown away by the comic, a friend happened to have its crazy gigantic board game, the miniature are incredibly rad sadly the game itself wasnt great. But that setting really nails 'Evil Barbaric Warriors'.
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GhastlyBizness posted:Even loyalty might be pushing it, the Darkoath don’t seem that keen on the idea so much as making temporary pacts and bargains with (to them) vague low-fantasy spirits of, like, strength or endurance. The cities have their guns and militaries and stormcast, this is the risky weapon they reach for to fight back. You had a bit of this with some of the background in 6th ed WHFB. Yeah I get the impression that, while they distrust chaos, they are ultimately still on the Path to Glory and have a higher than average likelihood to become a full blown Warrior of Chaos. The Slaves to Darkness army list still thematically retains the Marauder to Warrior to Chosen to Lord to Daemon Prince Pokemon evolution after all.
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A detail found across the range is the lil stone where they write down their dark oaths. That implies either that the warriors and knights got promoted from marauder or that there's a degree of cultural overlap.
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How devoted a Darkoath tribe is to the Chaos gods also depends heavily on the tribe. Some pay the gods more respect than others.
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War and Pieces posted:A detail found across the range is the lil stone where they write down their dark oaths. That implies either that the warriors and knights got promoted from marauder or that there's a degree of cultural overlap. That's just so their dark masters have an easier time keeping track of their worshippers as they move around. You want to be able to tell if your warriors are getting on top of the fridge or on the shelves without looking.
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Al-Saqr posted:Honestly i think darkoath would look alot cooler if they really leaned into the artstyle of the artist Adrian smiths from his comic 'HATE' Oh man, wait until you find out about the Hordes of Chaos book from 6th edition.
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Robert Facepalmer posted:Oh man, wait until you find out about the Hordes of Chaos book from 6th edition. 
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I still own that book 
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Al-Saqr posted:ok THIS is a pretty awesome look for the Stormcast eternals. I like the more grim direction instead of the polished look. if this is the overall direction the new SCE armies will take I am much MUCH more interested. yeah, finally there are Cool stormcast
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War and Pieces posted:A detail found across the range is the lil stone where they write down their dark oaths. That implies either that the warriors and knights got promoted from marauder or that there's a degree of cultural overlap. So that makes it another thing where the new stormcast are mirrored. Chaos have a reminder of what they will do while stormcast have a reminder of what they did do.
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