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Yesterday I had my first experience using an airbrush on my own. I'd previously had a friend help me basecoat a Land Raider, but now I got my own setup to prime and basecoat a bunch of 40k and AoS models. I always hear horror stories about airbrushes, but it went well! I don't think I would enjoy using it for details, but I found it very nice for laying down consistent coats of colour. This is particularly important, since my partner bought me pretty much one of every Stormcast dragon (Ionus, stormdrake guard, Karazai, and Lord-Celestant on Stardrake), and I don't think I'd be able to paint so many large models with a brush. Do the Army Painter speedpaints work well in airbrushes?
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You sure you don't want to ask that in the Painting thread instead? 
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Apr 17, 2024 14:09
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Yes, but you won't get the speed paint wash-like effect at all. But they airbrush great.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/17/the-fires-of-combat-rage-higher-than-ever-in-newaos/ It's melee time! There's a whole bunch of images and rules being shown off in this one so be sure to read it.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/17/the-fires-of-combat-rage-higher-than-ever-in-newaos/ Wow half an inch? Thats alot more strict than the 1 inch rule in 40k
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The gameification continues quote:but these now also work as abilities with clearly defined declaration and effect steps.
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Apr 17, 2024 15:27
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1/2" coherency? May as well be on movement trays at that point. That will be annoying to track with a tape measure, the clip on the end and the body/housing will get in the way. You're going to need a silly little doodad.
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But also still leaving it convoluted quote:in each phase the active player uses any of their abilities in whichever order they want, and then their opponent can do the same quote:after both players have resolved any of their other abilities for this phase, they then take it in turns to activate units to use FIGHT abilities  So alternating activations still exists but only for an ability with the fight keyword, ok, maybe you could have come up with a cleaner rule set than this?
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Al-Saqr posted:Wow half an inch? Thats alot more strict than the 1 inch rule in 40k It's also a lot less strict than 40K because you don't have to pick a target or move the model base to base and can just move it towards any enemy model you want. Edit: quote:There’s a slight change to the way damage is allocated. Instead of allocating damage points to a model in a unit, damage points are now allocated to the unit as a whole. When the total of damage points allocated to a unit equals the Health characteristic of that unit, the commanding player removes a model from that unit, but they must stay in coherency. Another interesting thing is does the damage overflow or not? Lostconfused fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 15:39
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The "modular rules" thing seems a bit contrived, because some rules (like fight and probably movement) need to be wired into the core rules. Which is fine. I don't think anyone is looking for fight rule modularity.
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Athas posted:The "modular rules" thing seems a bit contrived, because some rules (like fight and probably movement) need to be wired into the core rules. Which is fine. I don't think anyone is looking for fight rule modularity. Everyone is just going to play with all the rules all the time, except maybe in some kind of beginner teaching game. Things being in discreet chunks makes them easier to update or change later on? That is all the impact I think modularity has.
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Apr 17, 2024 15:59
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Have any of GW’s movement tools gone down to 1/2 inch? Sure, tape measures, but I always liked having having a piece of plastic with the exact lengths you need. It’s good that they’re taking into account groups of 6 before restricting coherency, from the start this time.
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Lostconfused posted:The gameification continues Wtf does it mean to "gamify" a thing that is already a game?
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Eyeballing a half inch will be fine in almost all cases.
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Overall supportive of the rules but it feels like "on a 4+ your spears get ASF if they were charged" is stupid. Just make it a static rule
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AnEdgelord posted:Wtf does it mean to "gamify" a thing that is already a game? Removing ambiguity, turning everything into strict specific rules governed by keywords and everything working in strict specific ordered sequences. Taking the war part out of wargame and leaving the game part.
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Safety Factor posted:1/2" coherency? May as well be on movement trays at that point. half inch coherency at least stops some of the 'well technically 25mm bases are less than an inch so they I can move this unit through the gaps in my elite units' or 'actually 20 hobgrots in a single line is coherent' stuff that felt like exploits in 3rd. movement trays sound like a reasonable pickup in future for my crypt ghouls though. Shooting in combat being reduced, and 'whoops my pile in took your guys out of combat now you don't get to fight' taken away also seems good. And the charge reroll is in fact working exactly like it used to, seemed super weak read the other way so that's a relief. Blasmeister fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 16:16
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GW should just bring back those movement trays they had for their last attempt at Apocalypse. I'm sure they're taking space in the warehouse anyway and this is the perfect opportunity to get rid of them.
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Blasmeister posted:half inch coherency at least stops some of the 'well technically 25mm bases are less than an inch so they I can move this unit through the gaps in my elite units' or 'actually 20 hobgrots in a single line is coherent' stuff that felt like exploits in 3rd. movement trays sound like a reasonable pickup in future for my crypt ghouls though. Was shooting in combat reduced? I must've missed that.
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Lostconfused posted:Removing ambiguity, turning everything into strict specific rules governed by keywords and everything working in strict specific ordered sequences. Taking the war part out of wargame and leaving the game part. i feel like you're making up a problem to get mad at
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The Bee posted:Was shooting in combat reduced? I must've missed that. No shooting in combat unless your weapon has 'shoots in combat'
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Lostconfused posted:Removing ambiguity, turning everything into strict specific rules governed by keywords and everything working in strict specific ordered sequences. Taking the war part out of wargame and leaving the game part. If it makes you feel better you can still lose on a single dice roll (the double turn)
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Ominous Jazz posted:i feel like you're making up a problem to get mad at I'm not mad, I just think the new games-workshop games are not for me, I don't think moving further in this direction would make 40K better, well again better from my point of view.
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Lostconfused posted:It's also a lot less strict than 40K because you don't have to pick a target or move the model base to base and can just move it towards any enemy model you want. Damage works exactly the same way as it does now, you're just assigning it to a unit and removing the correct number of models once you have a final score, rather than removing one unit at at time. It's quicker and prevents some stupid teching problems. Athas posted:The "modular rules" thing seems a bit contrived, because some rules (like fight and probably movement) need to be wired into the core rules. Which is fine. I don't think anyone is looking for fight rule modularity. "Modular" should be translated as "please don't be scared of rules, newcomers." If you have played a GW game before even once, there is nothing you will personally gain from rules "modules."
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Desfore posted:Have any of GW’s movement tools gone down to 1/2 inch? Sure, tape measures, but I always liked having having a piece of plastic with the exact lengths you need. It’s good that they’re taking into account groups of 6 before restricting coherency, from the start this time. The combat tools that have been big since 8th 40k have a 1/2 inch edge.
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Blasmeister posted:No shooting in combat unless your weapon has 'shoots in combat' This is huge and I'm here for it. Nasty combo with mortals on the fall back, too. Saving a cp to Redeploy some screens may be a must for range dependent armies.
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Lostconfused posted:Removing ambiguity, turning everything into strict specific rules governed by keywords and everything working in strict specific ordered sequences. Taking the war part out of wargame and leaving the game part. Sounds like a lot of uncontroversially good changes that could only be opposed by grogs with nostalgia goggles welded to their face.
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AnEdgelord posted:Sounds like a lot of uncontroversially good changes that could only be opposed by grogs with nostalgia goggles welded to their face. ok
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Real wargames need an adjudicator, and I'm pretty happy that is not the case for modern Warhammer. I remember older versions of Warhammer having less of a difference between the units. Mostly stats, less abilities. Can't decide whether I prefer that over now having to remember at least one ability per unit.
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1st and 2nd ed 40k specifically required a third party to act as a judge, and even game master I believe.
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Cooked Auto posted:1st and 2nd ed 40k specifically required a third party to act as a judge, and even game master I believe. I played 2nd ed 40k and don't remember that. I was like 14 though so who knows.
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Rogue Trader definitely states you need that, although even then I think you could make do without. The rules weren't that ambiguous, and the adjudicator was more of a game master to keep track of information not available to the players.
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I could be wrong on 2nd ed I'll admit, even if I think the term adjudicator comes up a couple of times in the 40j compendium meant for that edition.
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Lostconfused posted:But also still leaving it convoluted This is exactly the way it works today in 3rd. Players take turns executing "start of combat phase" abilities, then take turns fighting. Literally nothing changed except they made it clearer and less ambiguous. Which is good, actually. e: only significant change I'm seeing is 1/2 inch coherency, which makes screening harder, but otherwise doesn't really change combat because everyone has 3" reach now ee: and no shooting in combat is big Geisladisk fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Plus it doesn't look like you have to be within twelve inches to declare a charge anymore. I don't know if it'll be huge in and of itself, but units with musicians and equivalent boosters are going to have a little longer potential Hail Mary ranges.
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Geisladisk posted:This is exactly the way it works today in 3rd. Players take turns executing "start of combat phase" abilities, then take turns fighting. My read of that image is that the active player does *all* of their abilities first, then the other player, then alternating fights
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Athas posted:Yesterday I had my first experience using an airbrush on my own. I'd previously had a friend help me basecoat a Land Raider, but now I got my own setup to prime and basecoat a bunch of 40k and AoS models. I always hear horror stories about airbrushes, but it went well! I don't think I would enjoy using it for details, but I found it very nice for laying down consistent coats of colour. This is particularly important, since my partner bought me pretty much one of every Stormcast dragon (Ionus, stormdrake guard, Karazai, and Lord-Celestant on Stardrake), and I don't think I'd be able to paint so many large models with a brush. This isn't necessarily a bad thing and if you put them over a nice solid white/off-white you can still get them to mostly do what you're expecting, it'll just take a few coats (and you'll probably want to start from a dark basecoat so you have some more shadow definition since that's one of the things you lose when airbrushing). I really like them as a filter for metallic paints in particular such as a couple of layers of skeleton horde over silver metallic paint to get a tarnished steel/pale brass look (apologies for the space marine as an example but I don't have any metallic AoS models):  What I'd personally suggest is that if you want solid colours for large models is that you prime, then do your basecoats with the airbrush using regular paints (ProAcryl is my paint of choice for this stuff at the moment) and then you can go and brush paint on the speedpaints on the model where it makes sense so you can take advantage of their properties. Masking helps a lot for this and you can also just put down another layer of white/off-white and then use the speedpaints on it if you need it for one specific part. Mercurius fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Ugly John posted:My read of that image is that the active player does *all* of their abilities first, then the other player, then alternating fights This is what the article says, yeah
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/18/dont-listen-to-sigmar-the-darkoath-are-more-than-just-mindless-chaos-marauders/ Mostly linking this because of the art, holy gently caress have they knocked it out of the park.  
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It's a pretty simple switcharoo, but casting the Darkoath as defenders of their ancestral lands against the good guy invaders works really well. It makes them a lot more interesting than Chaos marauders ever were (they were also always more interesting when the focus wasn't on the Chaos part).
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