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kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

Motronic posted:

Yeah, and there's more than just those two now. Basically the oil needs to be "miscible" with the refrigerant. Otherwise it's like salad dressing......oil and water as a colloid you need to shake up. If the oil doens't mix it's gonna kill your compressor.

So POE is the R-12 stuff typically and PAG is R-134a. PAG is also really hygroscopic, which isn't great since most refrigerants turn acidic (read: starts eating everything form the inside out) in the presence of water. So you need to be really careful about storage and install.

There is a newer PVE oil that I believe works with 134a and 1234yf and is a lot less hygroscopic.

Note, there are different weights of these oils and you need to choose the correct one. It's all gonna be in the spec sheets for the vehicle, or in the case of oil weight at least for the compressor.

From my info it's generally mineral oil for r12, pag for r134a, and POE for r152a and r410a. Be warned that Harrison R4 compressors apparently do not tolerate POE oil well at all which is really saying something since they blew rear end even with mineral oil.

I've never heard of pve oil so I'll shut up now.

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kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
You also need the correct amount and type of oil for the compressor used, a txv or capillary tube depending on which the system was designed for, a vacuum pump, and a manifold gauge set for your chosen refrigerant, probably the HF one will be fine. Wish you were still close by, I have all my ac service stuff right where it was last time still and another set in Washington already.

None of this is super expensive, you can probably get it all for less than a chain store will charge for one vac and refill these days.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

I am here to relate my AC tale. 1998 Honda Civic wasn't blowing cold air and it didn't sound like the compressor was kicking on.

I grabbed a bottle of refrigerant that's been kicking around my job for a dozen or so years, my manifold kit, and got the car running. Turned the AC on, saw the low-side drop a bit so I cracked the bottle and immediately a jet of refrigerant shot out of the bottom of the condenser. Oh well.

$45 at Rockauto later, I've got a new condenser and dryer. Eventually get the old condenser out of the car after some corrosion fighting, and discover the root cause: The condenser fan shroud was only held on by two of the four bolts, and the lower condenser bushings are completely shot. So the fan had been banging against the bottom of the condenser for a while and had put a pretty decent hurt on the lower cap, along with a tiny pinhole.

$20 at estore.honda.com and new bushings, bolts, and AC o-rings show up. Reinstall everything, grab the trusty manifold and bottle, and charge the system. The pressures look a little wonky, but the vents are blowing 40°F air.... that's a bit colder than expected. I'm used to about a 30° difference in temperature, not 50.

I do the stupid thing and check the pressure on the bottle, as well as its temperature. 88°F, 160PSI. Dammit, this is a bottle of R-22, not R-134a. The pressure should have been 95PSI or so.... Oh well.

I get the R-22 recovered back into the bottle by a professional, who also vacuums down the system.

A few trips to the store to get R-134 cans, a can tap, and a can tap adapter that will let my hoses plug into the can tap... and I charge the system with 22.9oz of R-134a and my AC blows cold air!

I gotta ask since I don't see it mentioned even though you obviously do this more than me (just on fixed systems not vehicle) - you made sure it's got enough oil in it right? That thing isn't gonna last long if you didn't add enough to make up the deficit from the condenser swap, especially since if it ran for any length of time like that it probably drat near drained itself of oil leaking liquid from the bottom of the condenser like that.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Generally you can take two approaches, one is to use an oil syringe (I think they're linked in the first or second post, not sure) or fill the yellow hose on your manifold gauges with oil and then force it in with a little refrigerant, repeat as necessary. Make sure you don't slug the compressor though.

There's usually a chart for how much oil to add for each component replaced. I've never had to use it as I've always been doing either a full replacement or a component replacement and recharge on a car I barely cared about so I just kind of poured some in and slammed it back together.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
One thing to keep in mind, once you vacuum the system you have to put something in it before disconnecting the gauges because otherwise it'll suck in air. The Schrader valves only retain pressure, they'll let air right in if it's vacuumed and you disconnect. So given that it all holds pressure I'd probably replace all the o rings and dryer, vacuum test it, then put refrigerant (and oil if needed, I can't recall exactly what you've replaced so far) in and run it.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
If it's anything like most automotive systems I've seen, they probably designed it to not be possible to put together wrong, unless there was no other choice.

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kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
I do, but I was in Massachusetts at the time and am now in Washington State. I may have mentioned being able to do it on one of my cross country drives.

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