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the only thing i think is its dumb to call trump thread a chat thread. its the republican party politics thread and it always has been. even when it was at its most active there was a ton of off-topic chat. is there more or less now? i dont really know, but every time a major story about the republican party breaks everyone posts there. calling it a chat thread is qcs trolling, but nobody cares enough to correct them. we just want to post the other R thread is explicitly for primary politics and it was created years too early to get much activity
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dunno if this perspective goes in the direction of what is being looked out for but it is incredibly important to emphasize that, compared to other places of the internet with similar vibes, cspam is incredibly better than most in anywhere else, the marxism thread would be impossible to make as it is - we've even discussed this very recently - because the moment someone makes a joke about [dead communist/anarchist from 19th/20th century] here, you would have a tsunami of egregious garbageposting that would make a lot of people mad and simply become a cesspool of bad discussion. Here, in contrast, it somehow manages to work in a rather reasonable and engaging way, high quality shitposting combined with good takes, analysis and interesting discussion whenever the situation arises (most of the time, of course) likewise, other threads such as doomsday economics are highly, highly informative and can be rather funny, name aside. Doomsday economics couldn't also be made elsewhere. Same for the Eurasia thread when discussing about Russia or China: other spots tend to have a lot of background noise saying that socialists are Putin enablers or other bullshit like that. I disagree about not having "entertainment" threads (is it fair to put it that way?), as it befits a forum like this one a lot, imho. Even though it is supposed to be politics shitposting central, it is great for leftists - and as a foreigner especially American leftists - to have places to be silly and shitpost about sports, podcasts, cooking, whatever. FWIW, in my own experience in organization, this is loving great to build and foster solidarity. To give another angle to consider as well: as a queer, for example, it tends to be much easier to talk about sports among leftists, so I totally get why people would make hobby threads here. last thing: I think one of the most fundamental and positive pieces of evidence that this forum really provides something that works for people is the financial aid thread. Goonbucks saved my rear end a couple of times in very significant moments of these last couple of years and for many others here as well; many other supposedly leftist communities online do not have and will never get to the point to have a socialist mutual aid system. Most posters here get it what this place is about. CSPAM might be disorganized but already works in some degree of intuitive purpose; maybe what would help is to develop it further?
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bleeding kansas posted:the only thing i think is its dumb to call trump thread a chat thread. its the republican party politics thread and it always has been. even when it was at its most active there was a ton of off-topic chat. is there more or less now? i dont really know, but every time a major story about the republican party breaks everyone posts there. calling it a chat thread is qcs trolling, but nobody cares enough to correct them. we just want to post
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look all i know is if a thread gets like 300 posts a day, and most of them have nothing to do with politics, it's a chat thread
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I just wanted to add, thank you admins for posting this thread, as the president emeritus of cspam, this forum is dear to me. It's hard to really explain the current iteration of cspam without drawing a throughline from its beginnings in the 2015 primary campaigns. As a "political shitposting" space where you could post and not be probated by overzealous d&d or gbs mods, the bulk of early cspam posting revolved around bernie bro versus hillary supporters, a ton of gawking at the gop primary clusterfuck, and like, 4 or 5 legitimate trumper maga types. It was and is a joyful place, which is why it's a shame so many have this picture of it as a cliquey doomer zone. Over the past 5 years there have been ups and downs, the highlight for me is probably when I got 250 people mass banned for toxxing for Michael avenatti's presidential campaign, when he was imprisoned for trying to blackmail the ceos of nike and reebock. cspam is a very funny place full of very funny people, and I don't think I'm alone in saying that while I do have a broken brain for sure, cspam and the people in it make me happier than anything else on the internet. the best posters in cspam at the moment are, like, cumshitter, gradenko crusader, 2dcat, buddykins, pener kropooplin, twoday, rah! , there's lots of others I'm forgetting because I'm fuckin high as poo poo. It's a wonderful inclusive space that tends leftist/marxist/materialist/humanist but has absolutely incredible potential for continued growth and good posts and good posting times as a community In conclusion, loving free lastgirl loving free Al! loving free mormonpartyboat
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Larry Parrish posted:look all i know is if a thread gets like 300 posts a day, and most of them have nothing to do with politics, it's a chat thread everything is political bruh
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ram dass in hell posted:the best posters in cspam at the moment are, like, cumshitter, gradenko crusader, 2dcat, buddykins, pener kropooplin, twoday, rah! , My cspam feedback is that you should be re-permabanned
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Larry Parrish posted:look all i know is if a thread gets like 300 posts a day, and most of them have nothing to do with politics, it's a chat thread its about 1,500 posts per day right now, even in the slow season and accounting for drama. most of them touch on R politics
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bleeding kansas posted:its about 1,500 posts per day right now I demand post redistribution away from the posting elite with their greed and excess
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some plague rats posted:My cspam feedback is that you should be re-permabanned i like you and yr posts, my cspam feedback is that that should not happen and instead you should be nicer to me and we should be buds
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really queer Christmas posted:Does CSPAM really need sports threads though? Media threads make sense to me, but I visit the sports forum - politics is talked about almost constantly. It's not the focus, but it's not like it's taboo to talk politics or even focus on it in relation to sports. TFF talks about it just enough for my tastes, before going back to football. Hell, go post "Tom brady is a chud and a cheater" in TFF right now and you'll likely get 5 empty quotes. my rationale for the sports thread existing is for explicitly cspammy culture war stuff like transpeople in sports or sports governing bodies jumping into politics or dumb media controversies involving athletes the bmx olympic athlete threatening to burn the flag if she wins is funny but not exactly an obvious topic for a more explicitly sportsminded subforum the baseball and basketball threads are on shakier ground for the exact reason you noted it seems like the sports forum would have more appropriate places for that but im not gonna poo poo on those people for having threads here although i am kind of curious why they want to now that youve brought it up
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The thought of someone raising up loving cumshitter as the kind of poster we need more of is probably the best argument posted yet for nuking all the big threads and starting over
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Pamela Springstein posted:Epic High Five made a GOP thread that sees little use i dont post in that thread because its explicitly labeled as a primary thread rather than a general rep thread and i think forever primaries are dumb also im so used to republicans being made fun of for dumb reasons rather than funny ones im hesitant to expand my content posting reach i probably should go ahead and add epic high five to my good poster list as theyre making the thread is at least reason enough to give it a chance
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Jun 25, 2021 05:56
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Larry Parrish posted:The thought of someone raising up loving cumshitter as the kind of poster we need more of is probably the best argument posted yet for nuking all the big threads and starting over id want him for mod if i thought hed do it
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bleeding kansas posted:id want him for mod if i thought hed do it He was an IK once upon a time I think
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Larry Parrish posted:The thought of someone raising up loving cumshitter as the kind of poster we need more of is probably the best argument posted yet for nuking all the big threads and starting over his hitting ratio in funny posts is great. if anything he's excellent in consistency
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I'll chip in here on a few things. I mostly stay up to date on every major C-SPAM thread minus the epstein/greenwald/ufo/happy(lol)/image threads. Trump thread: This thread is like an ADHD fever dream where you can shitpost about whatever, talk about whatever, laugh at whatever. Not everyone likes the "typing 'trump' but incorrectly" gimmick but it's grown on me and also who cares. It's a directionless thread where you really can not read and  . Also people post "gently caress you" randomly and sometimes I feel like lurkers read this literally and take it to heart. get thicker skinDoomsday econ/COVID/Cool Zone threads: These threads wax and wane depending on how bad it gets in their respective spheres. I feel like some users in the econ thread actually invest and play the market, which is hilarious and the content is going to be amazing. Hatewatching the market just scratches an itch for me. For the COVID thread, nah I don't think it's generating antivaxxers or anything like some people scream about. It's relatively slow now that COVID Is Over but the Delta variant could gently caress poo poo up so the thread is definitely worth keeping. Finally, the Cool Zone thread is even slower now but the cop hateposting and reading about the daily kid killed for Driving While Black keeps it alive. It will really pick up whenever poo poo pops off again but it's not really possible to guess when that will happen. Climate Change thread: My favorite thread. The big bad. It's a repeated interaction between your soul and the grindstone reading about the absolute and unavoidable depths we're headed towards, but I find this preferable to the naive daydreaming and desperate refusal you'll find elsewhere. Would you rather someone lied to you about your terminal diagnosis or face the truth? I prefer "doomerism" to fanfiction. Delude yourself hard enough and you're just another QAnon psycho or some other normalized flavor of insane, continually refusing reality and subscribing to what you mentally need to be reality. I will say that staying on top of every climate change piece of news is probably harmful, but you can't fault people for having morbid fascination with the most important and last disaster of our time. Moderation: Let me preface this by saying I absolutely will never accept any moderation position (this is unironic, moderating sucks rear end and I wouldn't even do it for money). I don't really give a poo poo about the mods as long as they relax and post like anyone else, and refrain from developing weird complexes. You guys gotta work on your communication though. Flavius and that weird crusade regarding the word "retard" comes to mind here. Flavius got worked up and burned himself to ash doubling down in every way possible on really dumb poo poo. I dunno, just chill each other the gently caress out when a mod gets heated about something? I saw that meltdown coming miles away and I was just a random rear end in a top hat with no stake in the drama. Final thoughts: QCS always feels like a trap designed to lure C-SPAM posters in to get probed/banned on their turf. Consequently, I'm not up to date with that drama and am not sure if it's what spawned this thread. Also, I'm not the paranoid type or anything but it's worth noting that there absolutely ARE bad faith actors stirring up poo poo from outside the forum, and not just the dumb usual interforum drama. Kiwi Farms has a 1,383 page thread for SA, as an example.
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bleeding kansas posted:id want him for mod if i thought hed do it no way. firstly why are we punishing him and secondly it's probably best to make the next mods have zero posts in the trump/chat thread just so people will stop whining about it
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Raine posted:Flavius and that weird crusade regarding the word "retard" comes to mind here. Flavius got worked up and burned himself to ash doubling down in every way possible on really dumb poo poo. I dunno, just chill each other the gently caress out when a mod gets heated about something? I saw that meltdown coming miles away and I was just a random rear end in a top hat with no stake in the drama. the forum demanded it, it fought for a ban on slurs and won. there were discussion threads about it. flavius delivered what we asked and caught endless hell for it one of the big points of conflict, i think, comes from the fact that the trump thread is so big, diverse, and active. we have the numbers and it pisses people off
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CODChimera posted:no way. firstly why are we punishing him and secondly it's probably best to make the next mods have zero posts in the trump/chat thread just so people will stop whining about it see?
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Hey cumshitter is actually a good guy. His comedy might be hit or miss for some people but he's absolutely on the level and doesn't deserve to be poo poo on.
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bleeding kansas posted:the forum demanded it, it fought for a ban on slurs and won. there were discussion threads about it. flavius delivered what we asked and caught endless hell for it I get that but there were multiple points where Flavius was visibly being baited and could have stepped away from the computer and got a smoke or something instead of playing into it. Sometimes the best post is the lack of a post, or some poo poo.
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yeah hes not perfect and i personally think he was a better poster than a mod, but that particular instance was him doing what we told him
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another reason i prefer posting in existing threads rather than making new ones is that its genuinely hard to guess which news stories people will find interesting and respond to like ive had goofy as hell tweets just get totally ignored while convoluted wonkish ones that are misinformed in some weirdly elaborate way will inspire pages of discussion this is why i often post a bunch at once and try to avoid prompting people with an explicitly stated explanation of why i posted them
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dead gay comedy forums posted:his hitting ratio in funny posts is great. if anything he's excellent in consistency I was indifferent to him until they told me he's not actually gay, he's just been doing a minstrel show the entire time. hosed up. Ban him
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some plague rats posted:I was indifferent to him until they told me he's not actually gay, he's just been doing a minstrel show the entire time. hosed up. Ban him whos they?
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some plague rats posted:I was indifferent to him until they told me he's not actually gay, he's just been doing a minstrel show the entire time. hosed up. Ban him look man. cumshitter can't help the fact that he has a wife and an idiot straight son, doesn't mean he isn't gay
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bleeding kansas posted:whos they? A group of rowdy teens on motorbikes
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Larry Parrish posted:look all i know is if a thread gets like 300 posts a day, and most of them have nothing to do with politics, it's a chat thread So?
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this is very important
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Cspam is great because it’s possible to have a thread about how ineffective and pathetic the Democrats are without mods getting upset and shutting it down. that’s not the case anywhere else on the forums, and the democrats are in fact ineffective and pathetic and it’s nice to have a place where that news can be collected in general liberals should be mocked and it doesn’t seem like that’s welcome anywhere else on these forums
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in my view, the purpose of cspam is about a place where you can get capital p Perspectives, and let people talk freely about whatever political take they feel like having, and to spare the rest of the site this dark impulse. its is that shithole bar where you go when you wanna have a drunk guy hanging off you trying to describe how reading Foucault made them really appreciate the narrative tension in digimon on a deeper level, but where is also the only place you can hear Truth in between the incoherent blubbering. The standard here, imo, isn't based in being funny, or informative, or, alternatively, being some specific brand of unbearably tedious poo poo-for-brains who can't talk like a normal person, its to be Politically Interesting. Sometimes you're interesting in being a insightful sort, or being funny, or by being an absolute train wreck of a human being, but I think the ideal is for people to constantly have opinions and takes that spur on other people to do the same. Sometimes other boards are a lot more informative than what's on CSPAM but I don't read CSPAM to be informed, (which isn't to say there's not informative posts, just that its not the Big Reason why I come here), I read it to be entertained and to see a bunch of hedge pundit lords try to come up from the depths and Implement Real Communism by calling hulk hogan a fascist. That is what makes it The Politics Board and not just 'dnd but low brow'. I get that's not what a lot of people think CSPAM is, but I think you can have a lot of different angles to one place rather than having a super coherent mission statement, especially when its all political in nature. I actually think its kind of appropriate for a politics forum to constantly have a crisis in identity and petty stupid factionalism to engage in eternal battle over. It's not what I think is some ideal or anything I consider "better", its just what I literally come here repeatedly to see. in terms of moderation: its been bad, and counterproductive. my own idea is basically, while I think there's gotta be curation to keep people above the level of wishing death on each other in way too personal ways, and to keep out the dogshit racists or creeps, i dont really want there to be a goal to curate a (Good) Leftist Only Zone because I personally I love watching people tear each other apart; if I could grab every sort of political post in SA and drag them to CSPAM and shake everyone together like a jar of ants to trigger a brawl I'd do it. I want sincerity to be matched with sincerity. Sometimes that means 'sincere mockery', but I also agree with Koos' recent QCS post where he noted that people that are willing to endure mockery earn the right to continue to post without getting dinged just for being unpopular; if anything I'd rather not see the sort of overly kvetchy gatekeeping where people feel like they can either shut out other people or act like they are too cool to do anything but gripe and complain about how everything is so bad and full of concern trolling now that they have to be exposed to people that aren't also on their offsite discord. Insofar I worry about toxicity, I would rather the mods err on the side of integrity, where you have the right to call tarot stupid, and other people have the right to call you an imperialist colonizer for disparaging their stupid card game, without anyone getting it in their heads they can just appeal to some mod to exile one group and the call other side the most smart little lads or whatever. i guess on some level i think that having that sort of enviroment is conductive in some way to allowing a lot more interesting style of discussion than exists elsewhere, where like was said you can have a sincere marxism thread without it reiterating the same surface level stuff, or the glenn thread where you can have a thunderdome that weirdly maintains itself and allows people to fight over a lot of different topics; its part of an overall board culture rather than something I think can be perfectly aimed for. But even shitposts, imo, should strive to fit the SA standard of being interesting or contributing in some way to the overall flow of things (even if its just an emptyquote), so I do hate catchphrases and circlejerk threads, for no other principle than I think they're boring as hell and people could do better. Except the chat thread; I don't think those really get better. e: please someone, anyone, be my editor, for free Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 10:00 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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the pre-modern history thread is very good, and is pretty slow moving. it’s even worth a read from the beginning, unlike a lot of the mega threads that are impossible to catch up with and should be jumped into from a few pages back, imo as for the chat/trump thread, it might look or feel insular from the outside but people are very welcome to and hang out, it’s a bit like the cspam water cooler that way. you can always go and find someone to engage with, and posters will remember the dumb things you talk about and ask about you and how those things are going for you, but they also get your jokes about current events and are hilarious themselves. unlike an actual water cooler at work, you can be assured that most folks share similar ideologies, which you can’t really many places at all. it also is still a thread that focus on the state of politics in America, and constantly talks about news related to politicians.are some of the jokes overdone? absolutely! are there bad catchphrases that nobody asked for and no one is quite sure they even want? for sure! I think that’s part of its charm a bit, and also people are totally willing to explain where a stupid phrase or joke or meme came from, for the uninitiated. it’s not quite the same thread as it was when trump was president, this is true, but it’s not bad either. as much hate as the thread gets, it has fostered a community of people who actually seem to care about each other. just recently some thread regulars chipped in to help a goon pay for some medical expenses. if you hit your head and might have a concussion and need someone to tell you to go to the doctor, you can always ask the chat thread and they’ll yell at you until you go to an emergency room, because they would rather that than for you to be seriously injured or have something worse happen (and be unable to post). there are plenty more examples of posters going out of their way to help each other out and while I don’t doubt this is true for other places in cspam, the sense of camaraderie in the thread is actually really great to see. I do think having more threads would be better though, especially current event threads. a recent example of this working well was when the big ship got stuck. there was a thread that lasted until a little while after it was unstuck, and though an event like that touched many of the threads, it was nice to have a dedicated place to keep up with the subject that didn’t involve digging through mega threads.
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For all you people that fetishize new tiny threads, there's an undocumented sorting feature. In the forum index, click on "Title(Pages)" which naturally sorts by, uh, date created? I thinkVim Fuego posted:Right now in GBS like 3/4 of the threads on the first page are megathreads. They have thousands of replies, their own subcultures, and stick around for months or years. That's great. But it makes it a little difficult to find new stuff. I suggest that a megathread toggle button be added to the forums view, which would filter out threads over a certain length and let you see the new stuff that's been posted in whatever forum you're looking at. astral posted:If you want strictly new stuff, sort by newest thread by clicking "Title (Pages)", which needs to be exposed a little better.
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i might be more interested in making new threads if more threads were displayed per page i know that probably sounds ridiculous but dropping off the first page greatly hurts a new threads findability and other subforums would probably benefit too
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the small threads thing sounds good, but what even is a small thread? anything could get hot at any time and turn into a 3,000 page thread. its a very active community
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imo institute a auto cull that makes it so all threads look tiny by default you should never be reading more than five pages back anyways. anyone who says differently, eyyyy, gently caress em'.
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personally i've never liked the supposed d&d vs c-spam war, which as usual is extrapolated from truly terrible megathreads about u.s. politics in both forums. i don't read the trump thread, suck zone, etc. because the signal:noise is incredibly low – they seem to generate a bunch of catchphrases ('crack ping' etc.) that lower-tier posters repeat in other threads instead of trying to have an original thought, which is a bit annoying. moderation-wise, the forum might be at a bit of a crossroads. it started out as a politics fyadlite, with light-handed 'serious' moderation + arbitrary probes from joke iks. at some point the 2017 social democrats on here decided that posting was praxis, that c-spam was being persecuted by being a subforum of d&d, etc., which has led to the weird situation where some mods feel compelled to strictly enforce an amorphous party line (and get yelled at when they inevitably gently caress up), while some iks treat being an ik as serious mod tryouts or whatever. probably part of the broader (bad imo) forum-wide trend towards formally prescribing punishments for specific posting crimes. basically i think the moderation should go back to being taken a little less seriously by all parties, and recognise that a ban or probation isn't always the best mod intervention. the parts of the forum i read are fine in general.
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