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in my view, the purpose of cspam is about a place where you can get capital p Perspectives, and let people talk freely about whatever political take they feel like having, and to spare the rest of the site this dark impulse. its is that shithole bar where you go when you wanna have a drunk guy hanging off you trying to describe how reading Foucault made them really appreciate the narrative tension in digimon on a deeper level, but where is also the only place you can hear Truth in between the incoherent blubbering. The standard here, imo, isn't based in being funny, or informative, or, alternatively, being some specific brand of unbearably tedious poo poo-for-brains who can't talk like a normal person, its to be Politically Interesting. Sometimes you're interesting in being a insightful sort, or being funny, or by being an absolute train wreck of a human being, but I think the ideal is for people to constantly have opinions and takes that spur on other people to do the same. Sometimes other boards are a lot more informative than what's on CSPAM but I don't read CSPAM to be informed, (which isn't to say there's not informative posts, just that its not the Big Reason why I come here), I read it to be entertained and to see a bunch of hedge pundit lords try to come up from the depths and Implement Real Communism by calling hulk hogan a fascist. That is what makes it The Politics Board and not just 'dnd but low brow'. I get that's not what a lot of people think CSPAM is, but I think you can have a lot of different angles to one place rather than having a super coherent mission statement, especially when its all political in nature. I actually think its kind of appropriate for a politics forum to constantly have a crisis in identity and petty stupid factionalism to engage in eternal battle over. It's not what I think is some ideal or anything I consider "better", its just what I literally come here repeatedly to see. in terms of moderation: its been bad, and counterproductive. my own idea is basically, while I think there's gotta be curation to keep people above the level of wishing death on each other in way too personal ways, and to keep out the dogshit racists or creeps, i dont really want there to be a goal to curate a (Good) Leftist Only Zone because I personally I love watching people tear each other apart; if I could grab every sort of political post in SA and drag them to CSPAM and shake everyone together like a jar of ants to trigger a brawl I'd do it. I want sincerity to be matched with sincerity. Sometimes that means 'sincere mockery', but I also agree with Koos' recent QCS post where he noted that people that are willing to endure mockery earn the right to continue to post without getting dinged just for being unpopular; if anything I'd rather not see the sort of overly kvetchy gatekeeping where people feel like they can either shut out other people or act like they are too cool to do anything but gripe and complain about how everything is so bad and full of concern trolling now that they have to be exposed to people that aren't also on their offsite discord. Insofar I worry about toxicity, I would rather the mods err on the side of integrity, where you have the right to call tarot stupid, and other people have the right to call you an imperialist colonizer for disparaging their stupid card game, without anyone getting it in their heads they can just appeal to some mod to exile one group and the call other side the most smart little lads or whatever. i guess on some level i think that having that sort of enviroment is conductive in some way to allowing a lot more interesting style of discussion than exists elsewhere, where like was said you can have a sincere marxism thread without it reiterating the same surface level stuff, or the glenn thread where you can have a thunderdome that weirdly maintains itself and allows people to fight over a lot of different topics; its part of an overall board culture rather than something I think can be perfectly aimed for. But even shitposts, imo, should strive to fit the SA standard of being interesting or contributing in some way to the overall flow of things (even if its just an emptyquote), so I do hate catchphrases and circlejerk threads, for no other principle than I think they're boring as hell and people could do better. Except the chat thread; I don't think those really get better. e: please someone, anyone, be my editor, for free Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 10:00 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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imo institute a auto cull that makes it so all threads look tiny by default you should never be reading more than five pages back anyways. anyone who says differently, eyyyy, gently caress em'.
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Jun 25, 2021 08:00
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my new feedback is that I like the above users av, and Root is a great game and everyone in cspam should play it
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Jun 25, 2021 14:39
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i don't think people are being fake, unless you mean they're all posers, which is also the cspam experience
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Jun 26, 2021 02:39
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i think its okay for some threads to be made more focused on some central point by the iron hand of the fascist mod brigade. it just depends on the thread. i remember long ago the dnd image thread had to have a rule that you had to post an image because people wouldn't stop loving derailing it with dumb arguments instead of making a thread about it. it just depends on how focused the thread is, tho cspam in general has s forum culture where the subject matter of a thread is more a guideline than a boundary.
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Jun 26, 2021 03:00
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Athanatos posted:I also understand every poster in this thread is not representative of the entirety of CSPAM. It's a large space and this thread is very small. go the Athenian route, and lasso people in here to contribute..under threat of an rear end kicking
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Jun 26, 2021 03:01
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this is a good example of why big long megathreads get... not gonna say 'bad', but 'touchy'. people decide its gone bad, other people get defensive, then you get battlements and some slit throats instead of people just viewing any particular thread as something they're free to waltz into and shoot the poo poo in. this kinds of fangs out metadiscussion can be fun but its also just tends to go on and on in circles to the point it just starts getting kind of shameful. on the mod side kind of feel like if a threads gone bad its not something that should be turned into a restoration project, its something you just throw in the dumpster. people can just remake it then, or don't. such a thing as too much sentimentality sometimes.
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Jun 26, 2021 05:22
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I’d bet you a nice chunk of change most of those reports are from people who don’t post in cspam but hate read it obsessively they should post here, get the story out on why cspam is actually super bad and should die. this is the chance!!!
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Jun 26, 2021 06:01
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anyone that hits the report button on people for "Wrong opinion" has got some weakness of the spirit going on. if anyone does that and has one of those 'only trust your fists' gangtags they should get it replaced with a thin blue line one. e: re: doomposting, i gotta personally say my outlook on life improved a lot when i clued in a lot more on how not enjoying a lot of things about the world was a perfectly normal reaction. i do think people should be less defeatist about it but i think a lot of the 'optimistic' outlooks people talk about are pretty cynical and defeatist in their own right when you get down to it. Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 06:14 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Jun 26, 2021 06:09
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da joker forum
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there was some fyad post a long time ago that basically said, comedy is more than just ritualistically posting memes and catchphrases or doing injokes with a crew, and you suck if you think youre funny doing it. harsh, but since then ive tried to make sure my banal quips are at least not just repeats of other peoples jokes. id really encourage other posters here to just... try to post without catchphrases or the like for a bit, i think people can do better and find their own voice. its not _that_ much effort but like everything, being funny is something you get better at the more you push yourself and screw up a lot. i dont think id really want to make it a rule or anything, unless it was some kind of weird "lets not use catchphrases" thread for some reason i guess
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Jun 26, 2021 06:57
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conversely, ive seen good posters get driven out because disagreeing with the wrong posters got them marked as some harasser / cspam hater, and no matter how sincere they were they'd get accused of all sorts of terrible things; like the tarot/witchcraft thread had people get accused of racism/sexism for just rightly pointing out that tarot was not indigenous, in a forum where you're meant to be able to express your opinion without worrying about breaching some dumb decorum standard. i really would like cspam to be a place where anyone can feel welcome to engage, and even if people hate their guts they shouldnt feel like theyre being hated for any other reason than being wrong or insufferable rather than because theyre lgbtq+ or they post in the wrong forum or crossed the wrong superstar. im always kind of cautious on telling people to assume good faith even in people they dislike, since i know i dont have complete perspective or experience, but you really cannot have a sane ecosystem if people are gonna get their takes read in the worst possible light. i saw a lot of that kind of incredibly hostile poo poo and it bothered me a lot during the forums wide meltdown a year and a half ago, and im glad that its not the dominant mindset on this forum anymore, as far as ive seen. e: and ive said elsewhere re: harassment and being a dick, mockery is part of the site's ethos, but there is a point where people can get more deranged than anything they could be making fun of; its kind of a problem that comes up not just in poster's conducts but in mock threads when they get too long in the tooth and people start getting stupid in their one up manship Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 08:20 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Jun 26, 2021 08:11
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my astrological sign is nanto
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Jun 26, 2021 08:17
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cspam's covid flagellants marching thru the forums in a grim parade, flogging themselves with statistical analysis reports at two am
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If you find yourself rooting for the covid, if you find yourself wearing the covid teams jersey, if you got mob money riding on covid, you might be a "Doomer". this does remind me of that one "nihilism  vs nihilism  " meme tho, in terms of how people handle a bleak world outlook. be a little less self serious about it, i guess.
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the more i think about it, the more i like that idea of a rsf cspam experimental thats just non-megathreads that have a 500 post limit in them or something cute like that.
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Jun 26, 2021 10:06
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Josh Christ posted:I've read the phrase poofing a beefer ten times and I still have no idea what it means i get the same kind of emotional resonance within me when i see it, as when i see roadkill. i guess thats meaning. i guess.
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Jun 26, 2021 11:17
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if anything this is what people mean when they say the chat thread spills out and why people end up finding each other extremely unbearable
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Jun 26, 2021 12:01
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my efforts to know absolutely nothing about that very byob person are being thwarted and i dont like it
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Jun 26, 2021 12:03
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CODChimera posted:this is just creating more beefs i think we can move on now, i think everyones given their point of view and this thread probably dont need several pages of this
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Jun 26, 2021 12:25
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data nerd poo poo is neat, i feed off of over analyzing numbers. tho i wonder how many ways you can shape that data to tell a different story, but i think its pretty relevant to the whole question of it the chat thread is a commons of the board or its own thing. ive always got the impression there's a divide, there's a lot of posters in that thread i dont really see much elsewhere and vice versa. i dont think its something to get defensive over. itd be kind of fun to see poster crossover presented as one of those, uh, relational web things to see where theres poster crossover and there isnt. i dont think itd help anything at all, itd just be cool to look at.
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Thoguh posted:Why the hell do so many people that don't post in the COVID thread, most of whom say they don't even read the COVID thread, care so much about whether or not the thread is to doomer for their personal tastes? Especially since it is nowhere near as doomer as people who self admittedly don't even read it seem to think it is. there's been a few moments where it got dumb and that's what a lot of people's big impression of it is. i skimmed it a bit just to see what its like and i didn't see like, anyone plotting to eat the elderly so it failed to live up to my hopes
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Jun 26, 2021 13:49
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Jazerus posted:this is weird imo. why would any posters need to switch to a different "voice" for another thread in cspam? why can't you and folks like you just roll with it when chat thread content is present in other threads?? this kind of poo poo just makes you come off as a scold who doesn't have any interest in understanding cspam's culture as a whole or the idea of just having fun on the forums. when i read these kind of posts, it honestly comes across like you would prefer this to be "d&d but you can say 'gently caress you'" instead of the weird and wonderful place that it actually is. our weird gimmick posters are part of the package and always have been, this subforum would not exist without them and would not have taken off in popularity if it wasn't funny at least part of the time i read cspam for reasons other than gimmick posters. i don't think they represent a shared cspam culture. going No True Cspammer on someone just cuz a dude likes his spreadsheet bullshit (a very marxist thing) is a kind of thing i think is pretty tiresome, especially when its a thread for nerdy sincere feedback. Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 14:09 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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euphronius posted:I mean come on then. what are you posting about then. this is fiendish
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euphronius posted:oh I misread it excuse me . I apologize Tiller Kiwi i need an editor
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if you wanna post in a way you know people will think sucks, and then they think you suck, id only ask you have the decency to not be hyperbolically defensive about it. this is the price one pays for living free of decorum.
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ive said id like the chat thread in cccc, because thats the forum for chat threads where people can post with their pals and not have other people have a big opinion about it. if you ask people what their vision of the forum is, some are gonna say theyd rather not have a kind of self contained chat thread where people post poll site mascots getting their rear end blasted loosely associated with them for posting here, and stuff like that. im not saying posting weird poo poo with your pals is like, putting you beneath my wonderful 2k word posts about loving bullshit, just that there is a place, for that, and its cccc. but i also dont want people to feel like its an exile or some hater thing, like id want them to have their chat thread there, without feeling like they're now Less CSPAM than before or whatever, i dont want to start some umbrage laden pissing match or make people feel unwanted, its just if you wanna post your in jokes and poo poo in a place where nobody will ever dispute the presence of your pal around zone then there's cccc IM JUST SAYIN' i do follow the advice of just not reading the thread but if i see that style of posting in other places boy howdy i will have An Opinion and probably voice it in a feedback zone and you better watch out for that i guess
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I gotta say though, while I don't care about them and don't think their thread should be closed, obvious Trump thread posters here and during the QCS kerfuffle got some real "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" energy in a way I don't feel like I've really seen on SA and I see why some find it offputting even if I don't think it warrants policing NERD but also lol
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I feel like this is the crux of the problem with the chat thread. I think the Flavius incident got rid of most of them but there are bunch of posters who really don't post anywhere outside of the chat thread, and only seem to venture out to basically pick fights either intentionally or unintentionally in other threads. honestly, like, ive pitched my opinions on it, but its absolutely starting to feel like something that needs to treated with a seriousness down around here, instead of way up here, kind of thing. its not something worth making bad blood at all over.
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Jun 27, 2021 03:04
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gay_crimes posted:you’re a straight guy role playing as gay with a tacky username. your shtick sucks and you’ve made this thread worse. dont start litigating people's sexuality, come the gently caress on
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Jun 27, 2021 03:21
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gradenko_2000 posted:I appreciate all the kind words from everyone here and I love this community but I would like to emphatically state in no uncertain terms the ol "i dont wanna be a mod" routine. classic.
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Jun 27, 2021 03:35
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grad please dear god resist with all your heart and soul
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Jun 27, 2021 03:37
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if cccc had existed long ago, gbs  might still be with us...turnin on my sig for old times sake
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do want to clarify i genuinely don't want to see the chat thread hosed with by mods/admins without the people in it being on board with whatever happens, because its not that big of a deal for me to just not click it, and a bigger deal to the people who post in it, a lot. even if i say mean things about it. i should probably have emphasised that more since i have a star next to my name but for real, if you think anything i say gets genuinely listened to as sage advice by some cabal you are way more doomer then i could ever be
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i also think chat threads are more vulnerable to that kind of shift in character. not even making GBS threads on them this time, it's just what happens with an online group you roll with. discord, steam friends, old tf2 servers. they're parasocial memories now.
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Epic High Five posted:People come and people go over years, and as such essential character will change. It's a thread that was on topic like a laser when something was going on, it just didn't slow down much when there wasn't. Very much a laboratory of postocracy where good ideas are forged in the fires of mass critique and bud off into their own threads sometimes when people get tired of talking about it That's fine, and I think its a good counterpoint. I prefer to just give out opinions or thoughts even if they're half baked cuz I figure if they're bad someone with sense will come by and point out a different perspective on it. I will say, so I don't come off as a faux above it all pr dork as much maybe, that I am emotionally biased about it; i absolutely do bristle when people from that thread start talking about how its some cornerstone of cspam, since to my ears it comes off like people wanting act like the rest of cspam, and the posters that for some strange reason don't wanna hang out with them or that don't view cspam as part of their posting/actual identities, are benefactors of the serene culture of the suzerain chat thread. Its an absurdly petty overreaction at times but I'd guess I'm not alone in having it, which could explain why people get on edge over trivial poo poo sometimes. And while I'd like to think we can all be reasonable adults and not be silly over that poo poo, the counterpoint to that is "lol". I think the friction caused by chat thread aint world ending, its just kind of tangential to some other fun drama, but its just a thing that happens. Its like, message board dialectics or something. I still think moving it isn't nearly as bad as people might think it is and I'd like people to just give it an honest thought from alternative perspectives, but its a really minor thing on the whole. I take sick enjoyment about talking about this poo poo, and I do genuinely think just airing opinions out openly is nice to do and can let off some tension even if its just wishful thinking. Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 22:51 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jazerus posted:i also think that it's a sentiment that's misunderstood as being way more all-encompassing than it really is. toward the beginning of the thread i described chat thread as the "community center" and i think that is what it was for a long time. a place that many posters who didn't otherwise post in the same threads had in common. maybe that's changed, but i'm not really trying to portray the chat thread as the "king of threads". i was trying to make clear that it's an important part of cspam that should not be moved elsewhere, but it wasn't my intention to make it out as more important than succ zone, marxism thread, number thread, games thread, etc. although i think it came across that way. oh yeah i get that it isn't the intent, i just had a sit and thought about it and realized yeah, I was letting my goose get got a bit im still gonna be a Big Hater tho
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oh i kind of personally like it like that since thread names change a lot and it sometimes something catches your eye when you look down the list. it helps make new threads without it stand out too.
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