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i think the biggest problem with this subforum is that absolutely nobody knows what it's supposed to be for, not even the mods. some people treat it as 'd&d, but with different mods'. personally I would say it's the Marxist political forum since you can do most of the same posting that happens here in the d&d forum, and it's really hard to actually argue with a liberal because you just have totally different base assumptions about the world. others treat it as some kind of weird friend zone and only post about lunch and buying respirators to brave the Wal-Mart exclusion zone. it has a lot of people posting in it which doesn't help any of this. i don't even, ultimately, particularly care what it's purpose is, so long as it has one. also, nobody reads the stickies in this forum because the mods usually have it full of stupid poo poo, so it might be a while before anybody answers
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some plague rats posted:It seems like the biggest problem with cspam is that mods and IKs seems to be chosen exclusively from a pool of the most annoying, thin-skinned losers on the site and there's no obvious way to get rid of them when they continually make awful calls that drive everyone insane. This is not uniquely a cspam problem but it's where you asked it doesn't help things anyway. especially because at least in some cases the mods picked more mods; kind of the opposite of what you want in a forum with a large user base. grieving for Gandalf posted:I think more than anything, being leftists means we have a different attitude towards even what would be normally considered "non-political" topics. I want to say we're pretty much all in agreement that everything is political, which will definitely put us at odds with the denizens of other subforums that usually focuses on those topics i think it's ok to have off topic poo poo but I don't think it's terribly ok to have off topic threads if that makes sense. the gaming thread is kind of an exception because there's a lot to talk about when it comes to politics in books and games and movies. music is a less useful discussion topic imo but related. parenting and gardening and etc have basically no place here and appear to just be chat threads. i guess you could make the argument that the gardening one could be about organizing community gardens but somehow I doubt it. Athanatos posted:
i think a good cspam mod would basically be there to moderate discussion. like, in any poltical forum stuff will get heated, so you need someone to cool it down sometimes. but what we really need is someone willing to do something about the doomer posting. it's not useful for any larger poltical discussion, it's not interesting or funny to read most of the time, and it's everywhere and infects every thread. we have like 22 mods and you see very little moderation happening except when arfjason posts or SPB makes a thread. Athanatos posted:What's the downside of having semi-offtopic threads in the thread list? i don't think it necessarily is a problem, just that most threads are currently chat threads or effectively chat threads (hello covid and climate change thread) and there's too many as it is loving post cool down lol. Larry Parrish has issued a correction as of 00:01 on Jun 25, 2021 |
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Jun 24, 2021 23:55
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i like the marxism thread which is slow but gets posts sporadically. it has good discussions sometimes although other times it's just watching ferrinus try to explain basic stuff wrong and with more words than the original authors. the cybernetics thread was legitimately interesting and then flavius decided to probate some people and I was banned+30'd and it's since died. there's so many massive monolithic threads in this forum that most of the slower ones are typically forgotten completely. i had to bookmark the California politics thread because it was impossible to tell if it got posts or not otherwise. i don't really know how to fix this, though. for example games is by design mostly massive threads, but because they're all focused in topic people can and do look for and make new threads all the time. i guess it's half a mod problem and half a culture problem. also I'd like to say the problem hasn't been heavy handed modding here, necessarily, but bad heavy handed modding. such as when the mods decided to pick a side in the Xinjiang Question and probated or banned anyone disagreeing with them for months, or people who merely seemed like they might be disagreeing. the forum does need much more active modding but it needs to be setting an example and not laying down the law, if that makes any sense. Larry Parrish has issued a correction as of 00:17 on Jun 25, 2021 |
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Jun 25, 2021 00:15
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pancake rabbit posted:yeah this too, i was trying to find similar words to describe how this is a forum of pseudo-ironic nihilists that occasionally break kayfabe into cool and good sincereposting and knowing when to cross that line is the hallmark of a good poster what are you talking about. Jesus. i would like to clarify that posting in this weird half-self-aware way is what I mean by doom posting. what am i supposed to do with a statement like this. and it's usually talking about like, concentration camps or climate change. i can't tell where the mental illness begins and the insincere bad posting ends. Larry Parrish has issued a correction as of 01:27 on Jun 25, 2021 |
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Jun 25, 2021 01:24
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i guess I just think in general the forum should have more discussion and less Lmfao can't believe we're going to let the fires rage because it's time to Open Biden
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Jun 25, 2021 01:28
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Black August posted:It's outrage addiction. It's easy to pick up the habit and it's an issue with a majority of people online. There's access to up-to-the-second news of every single injustice and horror of the world. 24/7 tracking and pattern recognition of bad poo poo that becomes a bad mental diet, day in day out. It makes you mad with powerlessness and anger, gets you wound the gently caress up way too tight. You start to express your hatred habitually in like-minded spaces, and it starts to fry you out. good post from QCS that's relevant. I think it's ok to be depressed and angry but not to be either all the time, and I don't think you need to 'enforce optimism' to counter it. You simply need to not post like that all the time.
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Jun 25, 2021 01:57
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to be fair I didn't even troll that thread; i said it was basically a hobby for rich people with too much free time and got accused of being a misogynist and being 'anti-indigenous'. i would not have a problem with a no troll zone thread. i would have a very big problem with a 'you aren't allowed to disparage my dumb hobby in any way' thread. there was a similar thing with the finance thread which was full of genuinely awful advice like working for Amazon's mechanical turk to supplement disability, or to work online instead of facing your agoraphobia and getting a job, and I ate some probations for pushing back on that. i guess at the end of the day all I have to say is we need more mods and better mods. i don't really know how to achieve better mods but I think a good place to start would be rotating or electing some IKs for a trial run I dunno. i don't really want to put pressure on the admin team since they would have to run that stuff manually but I don't know what the other option is. if you ask me this forum was much better before admins stopped caring about it and we just let the existing mod crew stay forever.
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Jun 25, 2021 02:35
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people get mad about 6ers because it's hard to tell when it's a joke or when it's the beginning of Big Boy Mod making his presence felt, or even if it's just literally a 6 hour probation. personally I do not enjoy joke probations, but my account is old enough that I remember the 'wow 3 probations in 3 days? here's a ban' times. anyway. lmao at the idea of being afraid to probate me. i do deserve it, occasionally. just maybe don't probate me for implying your a pedophile and then defend someone posting loli porn later that week and you'll be fine.
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Jun 25, 2021 04:30
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look all i know is if a thread gets like 300 posts a day, and most of them have nothing to do with politics, it's a chat thread
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Jun 25, 2021 05:32
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The thought of someone raising up loving cumshitter as the kind of poster we need more of is probably the best argument posted yet for nuking all the big threads and starting over
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Jun 25, 2021 05:56
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Voltek posted:Am a super lurker but spend time reading through cspam during the day. The cspam watercooler example mentioned previously is why I enjoy it the most. there's like 5 people in this subforum who aren't white and middle class so its hardly a look at american life. but i guess I get the thinking
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Jun 25, 2021 08:52
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gudetama posted:One thing that I think is kind of offensive in the way people talk about CSPAM is the idea that "doomposting is making people mentally ill." Not only is armchair diagnosis hosed up and never catches a punishment, but it can actually help people feel more sane to see other people taking issues with the correct level of gravity. For some people in other forums, it makes them feel more sane to go out of their way to be overly positive and try to squeeze the most charitable possible interpretation out of news stories. It's almost like there are multiple ways to blow of some steam when it comes to posting about the news - it's weird that the toxic positivity liberals have decided this gives them the right to diagnose other posters with mental illness. i don't know what's up with this forum but when I say people should go outside or get a job or talk to real workers instead of posting 100 times a day, im not actually supporting the status quo or saying your wrong. im saying stop posting a thousand times a day about which respirator to wear. it makes you mentally ill.
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Jun 25, 2021 23:48
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i don't know why everyone keeps taking my examples so literally. you know what I mean. people who cake on the hyperbole too thick and then wrap it in irony and lovely catch phrases to the point that it's unreadable. tman used to post like this a lot, but there's like 100 white noise people that do the same. i don't have a recent example on deck cuz personally once I see too many of those posts in a row I just stop reading the thread forever lol.
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Jun 26, 2021 01:43
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i know that most people saying shitposting mean the same thing I when I say casual forum but that term pisses me off so bad lol. As if you arent supposed to try to be funny or interesting anymore. I'm not saying mods need to solve that at the point of probe but it drives me nuts when people handwave bad posting as being 'shitposting'. if you post badly you should try harder, and I generally flame people who do. even a bad post that is funny is still Content because people will riff on it. but bad, boring posts are just awful because nobody reads them. and when everyone posts like they don't expect anyone to actually read them, you get some real white noise poo poo going. kind of a general subforum culture problem.
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Jun 26, 2021 06:48
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Schmoe Cwead posted:its kind of funny when something relatively new like "poof a beefer" comes along and people get loving ENRAGED while people are still posting this, ed balls and other dusty old memes So if anyone was wondering what I meant by white noise poo poo posting syndrome, there it is.
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Jun 26, 2021 07:11
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swimsuit posted:the forum started to suck heavily after homex allowed himself to be owned in qcs we don't even need informed mods we just need mods who have enough brain cells to recognize the difference between moderating a forum and trying to be the cool correct dude
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Jun 26, 2021 07:12
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Pamela Springstein posted:make the cspam imp zone rsf. cspam without the megathreads. might as well just give us a subforum and ban liberal posting tbh
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Jun 26, 2021 07:20
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slinkimalinki posted:Honestly the only thing I'd like to see change is that I've seen good, sincere posters driven off by targeted harassment(I miss snoo). Like every so often a poster will randomly pop up in a thread and literally every post they make will be a negative post about a specific other poster (for some reason the targeted posters always seem to be women/non- binary. Prolly just a coincidence). So you'll have a bunch of people in the thread trying to draw attention to or stop harassment by some random creep, and complete inaction by mods. are you talking about a different incident or are you like that one guy who accused me of gangstalking snoo despite only posting at her maybe 3 times ever
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Jun 26, 2021 07:52
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Mr Hootington posted:It was in the covid thread, but the witchcraft thread. Some folks mocked the witchcraft/tarot/whatever and snoo flipped. Posters smelled blood and tore her apart. i said witchcraft was basically only practiced by comfortable white people, to which I was called a misogynist and a racist. when people made fun of the handful of pro witchcraft posters for this, snoo took her ball and went home. it's pretty messed up to characterize that as even trolling, if you ask me. she'd have gotten probes for that in any normal forum but well, mod sweeties.
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Jun 26, 2021 08:11
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it's basically the most inherently anti-egalitarian hobby you could possibly have besides arranging marriages or holding race rallies
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Jun 26, 2021 08:15
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:im still annoyed/kinda mad that it was implied i have 'internalized misogyny' issues because i'm a woman and find this stuff tedious/gross lol there's a tiny and thankfully rarely seen type of poster in this forum that's basically a stereotype of people on Twitter and frankly they need to go away lol. i remember someone telling me I was racist for pushing back on latinx, which, lol.
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Jun 26, 2021 09:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:What about a prisoner exchange with Bread and Roses Why would we ask for two of the worst posters this subforum has ever had.
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Jun 26, 2021 10:32
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some plague rats posted:Anyway here's a suggestion: immediately start harshly probing anyone who posts about "poofing a beefer." that one unlovable dumbass started posting it everywhere and now it seems to be catching on with a subset of brainless slugs who are too stupid or afraid to attempt their own jokes so they just post the last thing they saw that everyone seemed to like. It's the worst kind of white noise posting and should be eradicated for the good of all forums it's chill how the grey forum people have no idea what makes a meme or catchphrase funny so they just repeat some dumb word a bunch. meanwhile last time I used an epic old grey forum catchphrase I received many empty qoutes, because it was an actual joke. im not a fan of banned phrases or other forms of word filter modding but it's so commonplace that I can understand why mods try it
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Jun 26, 2021 11:25
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nobody followed him, you dipshits started posting about it here and now people are explaining why they don't like it when that happens.
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Jun 26, 2021 12:09
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Thoguh posted:Why the hell do so many people that don't post in the COVID thread, most of whom say they don't even read the COVID thread, care so much about whether or not the thread is to doomer for their personal tastes? Especially since it is nowhere near as doomer as people who self admittedly don't even read it seem to think it is. did you actually read anything posted about it or did you just see the name and freak
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Jun 26, 2021 13:46
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Jazerus posted:this is weird imo. why would any posters need to switch to a different "voice" for another thread in cspam? why can't you and folks like you just roll with it when chat thread content is present in other threads?? this kind of poo poo just makes you come off as a scold who doesn't have any interest in understanding cspam's culture as a whole or the idea of just having fun on the forums. when i read these kind of posts, it honestly comes across like you would prefer this to be "d&d but you can say 'gently caress you'" instead of the weird and wonderful place that it actually is. our weird gimmick posters are part of the package and always have been, this subforum would not exist without them and would not have taken off in popularity if it wasn't funny at least part of the time it's because you're obsessed with 'having fun' which is giggling with your friends like back in grade school and not actually telling a joke or being interesting op. just keep it to your thread so we don't have to read that poo poo. not sure what's hard to understand here.
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Jun 26, 2021 14:01
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so what you're saying is actually you're the Silent Majority and we should all just bow down. what are you even talking about lol. this is the more serious subforum I post in.
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Jun 26, 2021 14:15
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no you see someone said his friend was annoying. so it's time to Get Serious.
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Jun 26, 2021 14:25
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Jazerus posted:no larry. i'm saying that i feel like there are multiple kinds of posters here in cspam and historically we've all basically gotten along, and i don't understand why on earth you want a quarantine zone for unserious posts in a fundamentally absurd subforum. i'm sorry that this is the most serious subforum you post in and therefore you want it to be generally more serious or whatever, but that isn't likely to happen and you might think about just going with the flow for once i think you might have me mixed up with someone else. or you didn't actually read what i said. or both.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:if you wanna post in a way you know people will think sucks, and then they think you suck, id only ask you have the decency to not be hyperbolically defensive about it. this is the price one pays for living free of decorum.
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