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Vic posted:No irony here: I want windows to just work for people with zero prior experience with windows. So you want Windows to be more like macOS?  edit: oh my god what a snipe 
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Vic posted:No irony here: I want windows to just work for people with zero prior experience with windows. It can (and basically does), and the legacy support has nothing to do with it's modern problems. I'm not suggesting this is somehow 'simple', but the key here is to just let things be options. you can have a general purpose, feature rich OS that also is capable of being the anchor for production workspaces. You can make nerds and noobs happy at the same time - you just need to provide the knobs for it. Canine Blues Arooo fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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Mar 17, 2024 00:32
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So what does thread title refer to
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Mar 17, 2024 16:21
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The same thing all of the posts on this page so far are… MS is turning Windows into an Ad serving subscription selling platform. I can’t remember the specific thing it was referring to though
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Mar 17, 2024 16:47
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Thanks Ants posted:Good lord, what is that company doing to its OS
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Mar 17, 2024 16:57
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Like all things on the internet it is a goatse reference
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Mar 17, 2024 17:32
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Lmao, gently caress I completely missed that. I’m dumb, op is brilliant. World keeps on spinnin
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Mar 17, 2024 19:11
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https://twitter.com/VividVoid_/status/1769472734650888591
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Mar 18, 2024 03:50
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It’s the ASL for pizzeria, which is taken from the movements you make to shape a pizza crust. This one is actually just a coincidence.
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Mar 18, 2024 04:28
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Arivia posted:It’s the ASL for pizzeria, which is taken from the movements you make to shape a pizza crust. This one is actually just a coincidence. Doesn't mean they don't necessarily know.
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Mar 18, 2024 12:07
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today in "don't use the dev channel on a computer that takes more than 0 effort to nuke and pave" the latest update (KB5037135) barfed on install and now I get to play stability chicken until I can get things into a properly re-OS-able state I was supposed to have done this ages ago but I suffer from an acute case of The Stupids and have been constantly putting it off. I swear every time I wipe my PC I'm like "This time I will make sure all my stuff is always backed up and I have a special little baby partition for my OS so that wiping it is trivial" and every time that is postponed in favour of Not That
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Mar 18, 2024 14:38
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Vic posted:No irony here: I want windows to just work for people with zero prior experience with windows. Solving actual problems in the real world (making existing business customers' multimillion dollar software systems keep working) trumps such abstract principles, especially for Windows NT which has always been a business OS first. The guys buying the huge contracts for ad free Windows deployments are the real customers, and they want their poo poo to work like it always has. Also who the gently caress doesn't have prior experience with Windows? The Amish? Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Mar 18, 2024 22:27
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Woolie Wool posted:Also who the gently caress doesn't have prior experience with Windows? The Amish? the youths, who grow up with phones as their native computing environment But it's not like they're being ignored; most of MS's UI changes to cell-phone-ize the OS in favor of said youths, and to the detriment of old fogeys who can't adapt. And ironically it's not like cell phones don't have the exact same problem with old dogs and new tricks. I had an uncle who was early on the iphone train, really loved them and everything "just worked". Then somewhere in like 2017 he got a new phone and suddenly all sorts of stuff was "wrong" and I was doing tech support every time I saw him. (Dunno if he ever adapted, he divorced my aunt and I haven't seen him since before 2020.)
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Mar 18, 2024 23:12
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This year’s crop of interns was my first time encountering somebody with an engineering degree who didn’t know basic computer functions and it took me forever to realize he wasn’t loving with me
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Mar 19, 2024 01:45
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Tiny Timbs posted:This year’s crop of interns was my first time encountering somebody with an engineering degree who didn’t know basic computer functions and it took me forever to realize he wasn’t loving with me Things you should (again) not assume someone knows about computers: - How to use a mouse. - How to use a keyboard for controlling software (non-typing functions like hot keys etc.) - How to navigate a drives, folders, files structure. - The idea that software programs are also data, which can be moved and copied like any other file. - The differences between removable, fixed, and remote storage. - The difference between data displayed on screen and safely stored on permanent storage. - How to use and navigate overlapping application windows on a screen. - What all the components are called, both in hardware and software. There are probably more assumptions you could add to this list too.
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Mar 19, 2024 02:44
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nielsm posted:Things you should (again) not assume someone knows about computers: Honestly, I think that is the bare minimum I'd expect from someone that's finished second year university (idk how it works in the states but in  you get your first co-op term after second or third year)
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Mar 19, 2024 03:08
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nielsm posted:Things you should (again) not assume someone knows about computers: Yeah, if I'm interviewing someone in a professional space where their job will intersect with computers in a nontrivial way, about half of these are absolutely required for me to even consider you. These are not optional skills that I'm training you on the job for.
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Mar 19, 2024 05:32
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Tiny Timbs posted:This year’s crop of interns was my first time encountering somebody with an engineering degree who didn’t know basic computer functions and it took me forever to realize he wasn’t loving with me
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Mar 19, 2024 10:16
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Yeah, if I'm interviewing someone in a professional space where their job will intersect with computers in a nontrivial way, about half of these are absolutely required for me to even consider you. These are not optional skills that I'm training you on the job for. Definitely this. I work in IT so it's generally assumed, but when I was on Helpdesk, the number of people who didn't know how to turn on a monitor outside of IT was rather disturbing.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:26
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I generally think that companies should do a much better job of offering training rather than expecting people to arrive at the door with an almost impossible list of qualifications, but being able to use a Mac or Windows computer with a mouse, work your way around a file system, and understand basic use of office apps like a spreadsheet and text editor are things that should have been picked up at school.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:33
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Computer_Driving_Licence This is a thing that actually exists.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:41
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mobby_6kl posted:Ok I can see some zoomers having never used a computer (beyond using gmail or something) but how the hell does one finish an engineering degree without using the PC a decent amount? I don't think poo poo like Matlab or CAD software has been dumbed down to phone level UI. Well there's Fusion360... He basically covered the whole list of things nielsm posted. Maybe they throw students an iPad and let them use a set of godawful iOS apps.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:41
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nielsm posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Computer_Driving_Licence I hold a European Computer Driving Licence that I got in the mid-00s at school, and I know what a file system is. Coincidence?????
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Mar 19, 2024 12:47
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nielsm posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Computer_Driving_Licence Holy poo poo that's fantastic. If I were hiring office drones, I would absolutely fund this for new employees as part of onboarding.
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Mar 19, 2024 12:51
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nielsm posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Computer_Driving_Licence I drive my computer unlicensed. I am a free man on the LAN and I will not be governed by your laws.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:14
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lines posted:I hold a European Computer Driving Licence that I got in the mid-00s at school, and I know what a file system is. Coincidence????? I just remembered I did this as well, I wonder if I can get them to reissue the certificate
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Mar 19, 2024 13:15
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Branch Nvidian posted:free man on the LAN 
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Mar 19, 2024 13:23
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I was a real smart kid with special shiny shoes so they let me get Microsoft Office User Specialist certificates as well. Imagine being like 15 and having a qualification from Microsoft in using Excel. Imagine what kind of child I was. Horrendous.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:29
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lines posted:I was a real smart kid with special shiny shoes so they let me get Microsoft Office User Specialist certificates as well. Imagine being like 15 and having a qualification from Microsoft in using Excel. Imagine what kind of child I was. Horrendous. Organized?
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Mar 19, 2024 13:35
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Vic posted:Organized? My goodness no. Couldn't keep my poo poo together at all.
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Mar 19, 2024 13:55
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in Finland they don't give you a Computer Driving License unless you can reinstall an OS, demonstrate a stable overclock, and successfully navigate through all the fake download links on a Cnet page to the real link
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Mar 19, 2024 14:06
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Klyith posted:
That's just cruel
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Mar 19, 2024 14:08
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AlexDeGruven posted:That's just cruel people from other countries think it's crazy, but the stringent requirements to drive a computer in Finland could be why Finns have created more operating systems per capita than any other nation! other people think it's just because they have nothing else to do in winter but sit inside and code
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Mar 19, 2024 16:23
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Both can be true
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nielsm posted:Things you should (again) not assume someone knows about computers: OSs should do built-in tutorials for these imo
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Heran Bago posted:OSs should do built-in tutorials for these imo Extremely few people who need tutorials ever go through tutorials.
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Mar 19, 2024 17:05
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Heran Bago posted:OSs should do built-in tutorials for these imo Windows 3.1 had the best computer tutorial I ever saw and has genuinely formed my entire idea about what "good computer based teaching" should look like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkM7mJrwcg
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Heran Bago posted:OSs should do built-in tutorials for these imo I remember the Apple II's in our school had this cute little adventure game that taught you how to use a mouse and stuff. But the library only had four of them, so we had to settle for the teacher doing a let's play of it in front of us. The only thing I remember was learning click and drag on the drawstring of a windowshade, then double clicking on it to flip it up. It was incredibly slow. By the next year we had a full-on lab for the things but instead of a tutorial we were set loose on a drawing program with a list of tasks, which was not as cute, but was way more fun. e: Side note: computers are not cute or fun anymore, their design language or whatever just makes them seem very impressed with themselves and that we should be too. OS's are very snooty things now.
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wikipedia posted:
I was speaking with a 16 year old the other day and he said he knew python. I asked him what IDE he used and he told me a website and then mentioned he hated Scratch. Nothing students do these days is local on a computer. Zip, zilch, nada I find it sad but don’t blame them at all. I just try to help open their eyes Textbooks aren’t even a thing in TX
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Tiny Timbs posted:This year’s crop of interns was my first time encountering somebody with an engineering degree who didn’t know basic computer functions and it took me forever to realize he wasn’t loving with me I had to move one of our employees to a different cubicle and I told him that I'd be leaving his LCDs behind in favor of new ones that were already in the new cubicle. I thought he was messing with me when he asked if that meant that he would lose any files, and I laughed it off and then he got annoyed because he was serious. I explained that none of his files were stored in the LCDs and he wouldn't lose anything but he started getting huffy so I just moved them along with the rest of his stuff.
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