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down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Falcon2001 posted:

Yeah this is me as well, I've just accepted that apparently I have a secret magic Windows key that unlocks the working version or something, or that SA is somehow connected to multiple mandela effect worlds or something. Like, I believe people when they say it's terrible, it's just baffling because it basically almost always works for me. Win11 introduced some hitching, but not enough to be a real issue, and my work laptop doesn't have anything aftermarket.

As a repair guy seeing all these reports of slow start menu issues makes me think there's at least something there, old hard drives? Bad drivers?

But at the same time, people treat their computers like poo poo a lot too. Especially fuckin nerds. Clean your fans, redo thermal paste, unfuck your temp files, uninstall everything you can live without for now (java, old office installs, trial VPN packages etc) and run an "in place install*" of the latest Windows 11 ISO. I'd also let everything update and then apply manual updates to drivers and the BIOS just for fun. This is my method. It works nearly 60% of the time for older installs you don't want to gently caress with.

* backup your documents and porn, make a Bootable win 11 USB drive but don't boot from it, run setup.exe and choose upgrade. It'll just do a full replacement of all files, permissions, ownership blah blah that it touches.

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down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Klyith posted:

Windows search indexing is terrible and has never been 100% reliable in any version of Windows. I assume they can never purge the taint of Nyarlathotep (the patron god of Windows Vista) that exists in its codebase.

A solid way to never have any problems with type-to-find in the start menu is to purge your search database, then turn off content indexing for Documents and such. (And then turn off Bing in the start menu.)

Hard agree. Windows start menu search is truly embarrassing in 2023. My fuckin Zune could search id3 tags flawlessly and it ran on a magic peanut of a processor.

Like, they made a search engine company. A few times. Surely they learned a bit?

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

MikusR posted:

Does nothing just by being installed.

Java update is a scheduled task. Just disable it. Just know about task scheduler man.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Taima posted:

Is there a way to avoid the black screen that happens when you open what I think is called an HDCP handshake?

Some A/V apps like Apple Music PC and Netflix cause this black screen.

Netflix is bull in a china shop status, if it's open I can't even open a youtube video without it erroring, for example. It locks the system down in some way.

What the hell is going on here with the black screen flicker and can it be stopped?

Never heard of this outside of refresh rate or resolution switching/scaling. Are you running some bonkers widescreen poo poo? Are you fullscreening these apps or does it happen as soon as you open an app? Sometimes you can override resolution scaling/switching from the graphics driver control panel so it keeps your current res but gives you black bars.

I'm kinda flailing maybe someone else has an idea

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Cool! Any similarities in yall's browser setup? Are you running at high refresh/res settings? Do you have netflix 4k? Do you notice your monitor's lights flash when it happens? Does sound persist? Maybe you can help this other poster by comparing. I run Vivaldi on Win 11, 1080ti, 1080 pixels res.

I definitely remember Netflix's lovely era during and right after Silverlight was required. A lot of times back then you'd have to reload or update chrome://plugins or chrome://components (firefox has it too) something to get persistent issues cleared. I think that's of the past though. Widevine is the component responsible for all your video dhcp hcpc hdcp poo poo nowadays and can be updated from chrome://components IIRC. Graphics drivers and browser versions obviously update as well. Disable your lovely extensions blah blah blah

I'm seriously spitballing here but bad HDMI/DP cables can do poo poo like this too. Long cables too.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
If I could say to copilot: "install spotify, Sumatra pdf, Vivaldi and discord. After that disable yourself" that would be fuckin rad actually.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Yeah installing over an already existing windows is cool and good.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Rinkles posted:

I’ve entirely ignored it. Has someone done something useful with Co pilot?

Kinda, it helps you with disabling co-pilot. Ask it how to disable Co pilot in windows 11 lol.

It was one thing too many to keep track of so it finally made me make a list of things to remove on new installs. Co pilot allowed me to be responsible I guess

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Yeah, is it the network sharing section? Your keyword is "unmap" network drive I think... You can always remap

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
You absolutely can disable Co-Pilot just ask it how. If you want something gone in windows, there's at least a hundred youtube videos about removing it. This is windows ffs, not macos.

This reads like a r/walkaway post where the person pretends to get outraged at something that causes them to "leave their political party"

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

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EL BROMANCE posted:

For that kind of setup, they really are the best. My 2018 Intel I upgraded to 32GB was my primary machine for everything and takes it like a champ, I can only imagine how much smoother an M class machine is. We’ve gotten to the point where old hardware just doesn’t feel old anymore, I was using a 2012 Mini for DV capture and it still felt a super capable machine for day to day stuff.

I have a Trashcan Mac running Sonoma that's feeling old finally, but still does videos fine. I notice it's lag more and more.

Is there a generally accepted Mac Mini year that's not awful/unupgradeable? Definitely don't need anything M based yet. Suppose the Mac thread is best.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Combat Pretzel posted:

7950X3D, Geforce 3080, Samsung 990PRO.

I don't think it is.

You just listed the 3 pieces of hardware most likely to be the problem. MB could be an issue too but starting with one of those three would be your best bet.

SSD first.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Popping in to say to you goons fed up with the recommendations for dism, that there is in fact *one weird trick* that fixes a LOT of issues on trashed windows deployments.

Resetting the network adapter. Sometimes I even do:

netsh int ip reset
netsh winsock reset

for shits and giggles.

I have seen this: make cortana work, make the start menu work, make explorer stop crashing, make the systray work, make it so there isn't 100 empty icons in systray, make wifi work, make outlook send email, make https sites work, and so on

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Thanks Ants posted:

Nobody should feel dumb that the way they used the internet for years without a problem is now just throwing hundreds of pages of AI generated poo poo into their face

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Wonder if that onedrive "magic folder" poo poo has any relation to that old trick where you name a folder the "god folder".

I forgot anything about it other than it exists

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
I am actually a bit proud of Microsoft for finally starting to begin to think about having an inkling of a thought about design considerations.

They're bad at it, but at least they're thinking of it. It looks better in dark mode but yeah, it's what we got.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Eletriarnation posted:

e: I never noticed before that Vantage tells you the wattage of your PD adapter if you're plugged in. Neat to see my 4-port charger renegotiate at different power levels as I plug and unplug the other ports.

That's actually sick as hell. Where does Vantage get that info I wonder? Is it just part of windows' powercfg set?

edit: WMI doesn't seem to know about USB PD negotiated voltages, is it a UEFI thing? A sweet driver? Seems likely. Or is it strictly a neat power management thing that ThinkEngine duders get. Does Vantage work on IdeaPads then? IdeaPads don't have the ThinkEngine right?

edit 2: I have multiple ammeters and usb-pd supplies, none of the sensor data from any monitoring program lines up with the numbers output by the ammeter, even the line "Charge Rate" from GCIM seems to be a "velocity" of the battery charging, probably used to figure some rate out. It has a number of 29838, where the ammeter shows 2.5 amps at 20V which doesn't line up with adapter wattage or current, probably battery side measurement. It's gotta be some special driver lenovo gets that can talk to power management chip either directly or via the cpu?

edit 3: can you post a pic, i'm suspicious now of my own conclusions, I think it's not properly sampling like I'm imagining, probably just reading an adapter ID, which is fine too.

down1nit fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Feb 1, 2024

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Thanks goon! It's not reporting live sampling that the boost/buck would get, like I was imagining, rather just talking to the adapter and showing you what it's claiming as it's max current draw. I'm pretty sure the PCH gets that info as part of its power sequence. :)

It doesn't live adjust does it? Like 92W would be your computer charging at ~4.6 amps, which it can probably do for a bit, does it drop down to showing 10W or anything over time?

There's gotta be a way, either by inferring, or by using the same current sense circuit as the boost/buck, to see the total current draw on the adapter. It's built into the motherboard's hardware, how can the end user read it though? SMBus driver probably. Does Nirsoft or Sysinternals take requests?

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Man this is a very useful thread. I never knew that about the language packs thanks

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Sleep resume issues are usually fixed by updating Intel chipset drivers. If you have AMD try it anyway.

Intel HD / iris / xe graphics drivers should be updated too. Try the same if you have AMD.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Quackles posted:

Could be. Either issue - especially hardware issues - is firmly IT territory, seeing as this is my work laptop (and it's also a brand-new Dell Precision, to boot).

A driver update is firmly within your control, as is a bios update, as long as IT haven't locked you out of running as Administrator. If you need some step by step we'd be happy to help

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Nice! Any chipset updates come in? Any goons from IT arrest you yet?

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Win 11 is constantly getting better.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
And it's working gangbusters. They added a "system protection" link finally in the system settings.

At this rate win 11 will be finished before Linux!

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
This is a really good thread.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Oh poo poo they're going to make AI characters huh. They'll iterate designs, focus group them, add them to menus and OOTB branding. Ugh... AI late night guests...

Microsoft will have the... Hyper customizable gamer waifu or bro stereotype. Or a skyrim dragon.

Apple's gotta have a beach ball somehow but they're scared of water. They're either 20 or 70 years old, no intermediate choices.

Android will be in a 90's power suit. Pencil in hair.

The Linux version is Linus with high cheekbones and lip filler. You pick which Linus, and whether the lip surgery was successful. Also it doesn't run on your chipset, specifically. There is a fork for different genders but it's on some Cyrillic .cx domain.

GNU, obvious

Oracle Solaris: Completely batshit. Unknowable. If you try to get to know them, they only get stranger. Hot.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Hasturtium posted:

I do too. In the latter part of the BIOS days it was a reminder that your modern multi-core machine was still built on a foundation laid in the 1980s. With the UEFI and addition of the Graphics Output Protocol, which replaced the old VESA BIOS Extensions, I originally assumed that everything prior to the OS would get a visual shot in the arm. However, between the UEFI still needing to fit into motherboard ROM and boot environments being deliberately minimalistic, there hasn’t been as dramatic a change as I expected. Plus there are still lots of office surplus-grade monitors out there, and low overhead text interfaces are easier to debug and a smaller attack surface against malware.

This stuff is fun to think about.

I really want ui/ux designers to take an attempt at figuring out how to make a UEFI screen beautiful and useful. There is a lot of useful information that is hidden beind advanced > oc profile 1 > cpu > power settings, for instance that would be helpful to surface.

Instead, I have the BIOS version, date, and cpu information on screen at all times. Also a giant eyeball. msi plz

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

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Midjourney v6 seems to have fixed the "AI hands" in some cases.

...potentially removing one of the most reliable tools us schlubs have to tell if the pope is actually slapping Justin Trudeau or if you just got fooled again, again.

I feel like the total user count for Co Pilot is absolutely tiny, do MS release numbers? I bet the feature is hidden almost immediately by users like us, if we're given an option to hide.

down1nit fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Mar 5, 2024

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
The generic fix for directories taking forever to enumerate is to change folder options to display "General" items, apply, and then change it back (or leave it "general")

Dunno if you can do that with "home"

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

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I like when I've been using a share all day and then I go to look for the folder under network and the share is not there but the address bar still works and I still have files open on the share it just doesn't give me a picture to click on I'm not loving richard stallman ooooh a command line what is this bullshit I need pictures

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
I like the cursor. may we have the cursor please

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
I use the start menu just fine. I like that run as admin comes up as a choice when searching. I like having icon folders, I like not having to open "All programs" immediately after hitting start.

I did have to spend time customizing it. Sucks it doesn't sync. It's iphone level functionality, you're barely able to customize it, but you can. It drags bigger or smaller, does search pretty OK anymore, and only crashes every other day. It's kinda slow too so I get that part but Jesus gently caress it's just a menu for pictures and words.

Have you guys tried actually using it or are you just being edgy? You just click on a picture the same as I do and the program runs. Right? Am I missing something?

It sounds like a flippant question meant to insult but I really don't see any real reason to say it sucks, other than it's new (and slow sometimes).
I don't like groupthink and how it can progress into grouphate like you shits post sometimes.

Be realistic, think about it just a little bit more cool headed than you've been. See if it's actually a problem or if you're just getting triggered by changes and w h i t e s p a c e.

Anyone wanna do a start menu sucks effortpost? Maybe you'll uncover some excellent points and I'll look like some shill

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

lol that's perfect

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

HalloKitty posted:

You don't win a prize from Microsoft for defending sluggish garbage

Bullshit I got outlook for free just today! Also I was hardly defending it?

Try again maybe when you're less grumpy I think.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Great posts!

(Weird to take poo poo like this personally tho. I still don't see how I was defending it but if I need to be on a different "team" to get good, valid arguments then OK.)

Everything: the grass will always be greener using a third party thingy and it's 100% fair to compare the different approaches. The fundamental start menu approach, ever since 95 was laughed at and only changed substantially with 98 OSR2 when the web was introduced. It was still bad, but in my opinion, improved functionally, and XP/Vista just made a lovely product a bit better. Everything took all idiocy out and just delivered a good product, simple as. They weren't locked into a patent or years of sunk costs.

Things are allowed to be complex or simple depending on the use case. I agree that it's way too simple for power users. A valid point!

It's OK to be level headed and distribute W's as well as L's when deserved imo, you're not in high school anymore... right?!

==

If you need to know about me to form your next argument, here goes: I am kinda old. I have used these things since Deskmate and I do know what good software is and isn't. You can and should leave me out of it though, I am not a start menu. I do repairs on computers for work and have seen way more problems on previous iterations of windows than anything at all in 11 (stability wise), so the dissing of something much improved is confusing, honestly and I'm genuinely interested in opinions.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies

Blue Footed Booby posted:

It's ok to have a conversation without being a smug, condescending twerp.

Agreed.

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

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Tiny Timbs posted:

I don’t think you responded to a single one of the criticisms that people took the time to point out.

Yeah man I'm not defending it. How is this still a thing?

down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

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Korean Boomhauer posted:

There's so many video games now that making me jump through a bunch of bullshit just to play doesn't seem worth it to me.

I'd love to be in a world where we could do hardware mods to systems still to bypass drm.

Imagine wiring a resistor between pin 1103 and +5v to enable universal offline mode...

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down1nit
Jan 10, 2004

outlive your enemies
Wonder if the chip has a datasheet. Sometimes it's just an optional resistor to choose an operating parameter.

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