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CleverHans posted:I feel like everybody blaming the CIA is forgetting that the CIA (and America in general) has not given a poo poo about Haiti for at least the last 30 years or so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Haitian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 
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CleverHans posted:I feel like everybody blaming the CIA is forgetting that the CIA (and America in general) has not given a poo poo about Haiti for at least the last 30 years or so. lmao
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Jul 10, 2021 16:40
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More like StupidHans 
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Jul 10, 2021 16:41
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I was off by a decade - please continue dunking on me and ignore all the rest of my arguments, thank you.
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Jul 10, 2021 16:53
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there is a massive amount of space between "joe biden personally directed seal team 6 to no scope headshot jovenel moise", which is almost certainly false, and "the cia and us haven't given a poo poo about haiti in decades", which is also extremely false and very stupid as well.
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Laterite posted:Haiti dared to have a successful revolution to throw out their colonial overseers and have paid the price ever since. haiti is the only country providing reparations for the slave trade. thank u france for holding them accountable
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Chaos option: the US actually didn't have anything to do with this and it was Canada behind it to make way for their mining interests
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Jul 10, 2021 17:35
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Atrocious Joe posted:One of the team that took him out must have bragged about it on Instagram by now. Someone should check there. https://twitter.com/APjoshgoodman/status/1413825206678925313?s=20
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CleverHans posted:I was off by a decade - please continue dunking on me and ignore all the rest of my arguments, thank you. * destroyed haiti's self-sufficiency by killing all the creole pigs and forcing tariffs to be liefted so they could be flooded with cheap arkansas rice, driving haitian rice farmers under * couped aristide a first time, with CIA-trained officers leading the massacre of thousands of aristide supports * couped aristide a second time, literally kidnapping him from his villa themselves and renditioning him to africa More recently * forced michel martelly into the presidency even though he lost in the election in the first round * pushed through sham elections to get martelly's successor jovenel moise in, even though haitianas had no faith in the election and only 15% voted * backed moise as recently as this year, under biden, despite his term being expired and him using mercenary gangs to massacre protestors and stay in power the goal is to keep haiti subservient and exploited. The fact that they have fraudulently gotten the last two presidents installed means less direct coups were necessary. But we've seen what they'll do when they don't get their way already. And i would say they certainly knew this assassination was coming, and looked at moise's status in haiti and said hmm okay, a la diem in vietnam
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Jul 10, 2021 20:05
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wasnt moise's security run by Americans as well?
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CleverHans posted:I was off by a decade - please continue dunking on me and ignore all the rest of my arguments, thank you.
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Jul 10, 2021 21:58
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Lol just like Venezuela https://twitter.com/miamiherald/status/1413949740635631616?s=21
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TenementFunster posted:you weren't off by a decade, because the US never stopped manipulating Haitian politics, including installing Moise himself and supporting him even after he remained in office after the end of his term and started ruling by decree. it was such a stupid thing to say that the rest of your "arguments" aren't even worth reading I would never claim that the US hasn't influenced Haitian politics. The amount of money flowing from Haitian ex-pats alone, much less the amounts from business interests, is enough to fully tilt one way or the other. My argument is that the US government doesn't care enough, one way or the other, who is in power down there right now to send a hit squad, as it runs counter to their interests. Or the CIA is much dumber than we give them credit for. Or it was not intended as a hit squad and something along the way went very, very wrong.
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CleverHans posted:I would never claim that the US hasn't influenced Haitian politics. The amount of money flowing from Haitian ex-pats alone, much less the amounts from business interests, is enough to fully tilt one way or the other. My argument is that the US government doesn't care enough, one way or the other, who is in power down there right now to send a hit squad, as it runs counter to their interests.
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and everybody is laughing at you
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I don't think the CIA is behind it because it wasn't a spectacular failure like everything else they do Like if this was a CIA op moise would be alive and they would have been arrested while wearing Langley tshirts
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Jul 10, 2021 22:50
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Crosspost from the Epstein thread: a TrueAnon podcast from earlier this year: https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/haiti. As someone with only a vague recollection of how hosed up Haiti's situation is, this was helpful.
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R. Mute posted:you are a profoundly stupid person R. Mute posted:and everybody is laughing at you go back to lurking
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Jul 10, 2021 22:55
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Goon Project: become new president of Haiti I mean I live in Florida and I'm a terrible DJ so I'm halfway there already
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bleeding kansas posted:go back to lurking i will never log off clearly, we just missed him with the earthquake machine back in '10 and had to finish the job
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Bro Dad posted:Goon Project: become new president of Haiti email Marco Rubio and see if he can hook you up
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Jul 11, 2021 00:09
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Maybe it really was the DEA. Just waltzed up and identified themselves, and assassinated a foreign leader, in the post-Trump era there's no need to pretend anymore.
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Chamale posted:Maybe it really was the DEA. Just waltzed up and identified themselves, and assassinated a foreign leader, in the post-Trump era there's no need to pretend anymore. It was the ATF actually. There's been a really crazy prank war going on for a while now, and framing another agency for an assassination is really taking it up a notch. Can't wait to see what sort of wacky hijincks the DEA responds with.
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space chandeliers posted:Crosspost from the Epstein thread: a TrueAnon podcast from earlier this year: https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/haiti. As someone with only a vague recollection of how hosed up Haiti's situation is, this was helpful. I listened to this yesterday and the woman interviewed was convinced that Moise wouldn't last the year due to protest. To me, that suggests that the U.S. would have had interest in preempting his toppling themselves to prevent a popular opposition leader from taking over. Plus it would have been a great way to nip all of the present discontent in the bud.
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I keep waiting to be told that this was carried out by Trump or Trump adjacent people who think he is still president terminal brain poisoning
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Azathoth posted:The US prefers the following from foreign governments, in order: a good post, I feel like it's important to also note that "US Interests" can and will change suddenly and with no warning whatsoever one of the warmonger all-stars might get a wild hair up his rear end and welp guess your entire society has to burn now Yinlock has issued a correction as of 05:49 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Quotey posted:haiti is the only country providing reparations for the slave trade. thank u france for holding them accountable Wait what? bedpan posted:I keep waiting to be told that this was carried out by Trump or Trump adjacent people who think he is still president Turns out lead poisoning is communicable Milo and POTUS has issued a correction as of 06:04 on Jul 11, 2021 |
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Jul 11, 2021 05:52
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It was Cuba committing the perfect assassination of a capitalist puppet because no one would expect anyone but the capitalists to be behind it
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kim jong un has gone too far
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Milo and POTUS posted:Wait what? quote:After the Haitians gained independence from French colonial rule in the Haitian Revolution of 1804, the French returned in 1825 and demanded that the newly independent country pay the French government and French slaveholders the modern equivalent of US$21 billion for claiming slaveowner's property and the land that they had turned into profitable sugar and coffee-producing plantations. This independence debt was financed by French banks and the American Citibank, and finally paid off in 1947.
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That's what I was afraid of
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AoC, yet another victim of communism 
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Milo and POTUS posted:Wait what? I assume a reference to the reparations they had to pay France for their independence although I believe that ended mid-20th century
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Jul 11, 2021 07:42
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While I don’t think this was the CIA, since Moise was already a US puppet, the dude was roundly hated by most of Haiti, and because he was refusing to step down, was risking fomenting an actual revolution against him. I think this was some local oligarchs who wanted to go back to the kayfabe of democracy, because that acts as the most effective way to take actual revolutionary sentiment and destroy it. Though it likely had the state department’s blessing since they know the successor will be another puppet. Not like the US hasn’t interfered in Haiti’s business for every year of its existence or anything.
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Jul 11, 2021 08:44
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CleverHans posted:Alright, didn't realize Aristide was only 17 years ago. you dumbass
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:While I don’t think this was the CIA, since Moise was already a US puppet, the dude was roundly hated by most of Haiti, and because he was refusing to step down, was risking fomenting an actual revolution against him. easily the most likely scenario
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Jul 11, 2021 08:53
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don't be afraid to be wrong, it's how we learn
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is the miami herald, like, a real newspaper that does journalism? they seem to pop up a lot in big stories like this, i thought they'd stopped doing that sort of thing
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the miami herald is indeed a real paper that does real journalism. because of the large numbers of haitians in florida they do some of the only regular english-language reporting on haiti that isn't from wire services.
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