the sex ghost posted:looks like headers are being phased out at youth level and pros are being limited to 10 headers a week Good.
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Jul 28, 2021 12:20
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Cons - no more centre forwards sprinting into the box to smash home a header that takes two defenders and the keeper with it Pros - no centre forwards potentially doing a Chris Benoit
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Jul 28, 2021 12:26
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the sex ghost posted:Cons - no more centre forwards sprinting into the box to smash home a header that takes two defenders and the keeper with it Con: Less of a chance of John Terry gets kicked in the face again
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Jul 28, 2021 12:32
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Games where defenders can't head balls clear would be a fun watch. Would change things dramatically at lower levels.
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Jul 28, 2021 12:51
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Seems this is just during training, not games.
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Jul 28, 2021 12:58
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Jakabite posted:Seems this is just during training, not games. One would assume that there'll come a point in the future when we'll be watching lads who've been trained not to head the ball from under 8s all the way to the pros and I'll be sat in my recliner shouting at my grandkids saying 'remember headers what were they all about' and they send me to prison for saying the h word
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Jul 28, 2021 13:02
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Cool, cool. Just give them all Playstation controllers and be done with it.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:04
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Surely Petr Cech hats or something would be better for frequent ball headerers
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Jul 28, 2021 13:06
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Imagine if headers were banned. Literally just take shots above the ground and defenders can’t do poo poo
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Jul 28, 2021 13:08
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Bape Culture posted:Imagine if headers were banned. Literally just take shots above the ground and defenders can’t do poo poo Allow people to use their hands problem solved
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Jul 28, 2021 13:08
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In the same way that Liverpool's entire back line and goalkeeper quit as soon as they banned back passes is Harry Maguire considering his options as we speak
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Jul 28, 2021 13:15
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I'll admit to not having read up on the topic so maybe it's been very clearly determined already, but how much of the damage attributed to headers is really because of all the other contact around headed balls? Elbows, heads, flying keepers, falls, etc.? There are clearly different types of headers that will have different effects (flicked/glancing vs powerheading a corner through the keeper's hands). Seems like an over reaction after a kid took a free kick in the face and somebody said this is what happens every time someone touches a ball with their head!!! Didn't the ball use to be a lot heavier too?
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Jul 28, 2021 13:20
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I think it's related to the research from the various egg chasing sports that the issue is repeated low grade impacts as much as it's single hard impacts.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:21
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Bape Culture posted:Imagine if headers were banned. Literally just take shots above the ground and defenders can’t do poo poo Solve the problem by cutting the height of the goal in half
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Jul 28, 2021 13:30
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kevin doyle retired as recently as 2017 as a result of the damage from headers. He says in this article he was avoiding doing it altogether in training if he could https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ex-soccer-star-doyle-reveals-full-extent-of-head-injury-trauma-36464480.html
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Jul 28, 2021 13:35
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Jose posted:kevin doyle retired as recently as 2017 as a result of the damage from headers. He says in this article he was avoiding doing it altogether in training if he could OK that certainly sucks. Is this just another thing that bodies have to withstand to play at a professional level, the way that most people's ankles and knees would just turn to dust after a season of high-level sport? I'm not suggesting that we should encourage players to risk neurological damage, just wondering how many promising athletes wound up with undiagnosed head trauma issues in the past.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:45
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greazeball posted:OK that certainly sucks. Is this just another thing that bodies have to withstand to play at a professional level, the way that most people's ankles and knees would just turn to dust after a season of high-level sport? I'm not suggesting that we should encourage players to risk neurological damage, just wondering how many promising athletes wound up with undiagnosed head trauma issues in the past. That Doyle article is misleading because it doesn't say anything about how his brain trauma started, other than being Irish. He could have gotten kicked/elbowed in the face a decade ago and that's when symptoms started to manifest and the consistent heading of the ball just exacerbated it. He even says in the article that his most serious issue was from blocking a clearance, not intentionally heading the ball. Also that he was constantly hiding his issues from a neurologist.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:48
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I can't decide which would be the greater outrage against everything football is and stands for, players wearing protective headgear or headers being banned
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Jul 28, 2021 13:48
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Surely Petr Cech hats or something would be better for frequent ball headerers Not at all. A helmet protects from cuts, scrapes and that one bad hit that's going to crack your skull. It's not going to do anything about the damage to the brain caused by repeated concussive impact. The force still all goes into your head.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:50
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By eliminating headers you also reduce the risk of an errant elbow in the face unless you are facing Felani
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Jul 28, 2021 13:51
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CyberPingu posted:By eliminating headers you also reduce the risk of an errant elbow in the face unless you are facing Felani Fellaini's chest control if you eliminate headers though, he'd be unstoppable.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:54
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sassassin posted:Not at all. A helmet protects from cuts, scrapes and that one bad hit that's going to crack your skull. It's not going to do anything about the damage to the brain caused by repeated concussive impact. The force still all goes into your head. If anything. Studies suggest extra padding encourages players to go harder at things.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:56
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Shrapnig posted:Fellaini's chest control if you eliminate headers though, he'd be unstoppable. Felani-running-the-ball-out.gif
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Jul 28, 2021 13:56
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CyberPingu posted:If anything. Studies suggest extra padding encourages players to go harder at things. See: NFL, Boxing, NHL.
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Jul 28, 2021 13:59
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CyberPingu posted:Felani-running-the-ball-out.gif What does that have to do with his chest control?
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Jul 28, 2021 14:00
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The limit is only for training, so it’s not exactly a big loss. Do players actually drill high speed headers in training? I have no real clue, but it seems like this may not even be that big of a departure from what teams are already doing.
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Jul 28, 2021 14:02
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Everyone watching in horror as a rogue player decides to seal dribble into the box
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Jul 28, 2021 14:07
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Shrapnig posted:What does that have to do with his chest control? Oh i actually misread chest control and thought you said had just said control
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Jul 28, 2021 14:13
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the changes to training are only for stuff like crosses/free kicks/corners anyway from the sounds of it so its mostly big sam and tony pulis who're getting hosed
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Jul 28, 2021 14:17
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Jose posted:the changes to training are only for stuff like crosses/free kicks/corners anyway from the sounds of it so its mostly big sam and tony pulis who're getting hosed 
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Jul 28, 2021 14:29
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whistle and dead ball anytime the ball goes 18" off the ground. soccer is now mandatory tiki taka gently caress it change the ball to a futsal one to accommodate this change
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Jul 28, 2021 16:02
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if the ball goes above head height you're legally required to catch it and drop it on the ground
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Jul 28, 2021 16:19
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vyelkin posted:if the ball goes above head height you're legally required to catch it and drop it on the ground  Whose head though?
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Jul 28, 2021 16:32
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Shrapnig posted:
As if Crouch would bother trying to head a ball.
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Jul 28, 2021 17:44
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blue footed boobie posted:The limit is only for training, so it’s not exactly a big loss. shearer and rooney are two noteable cases who drilled headers a lot in training. rooney famously did it before that one season where he scored all the headed goals i think there could be an equilibrium where headers aren't banned but are way scaled back, not sure what it is though. it's undeniable that football, like MMA, is going to give some players CTE and lifelong issues but it's tough to see a way to change that
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Jul 28, 2021 18:53
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Shrapnig posted:
He's jumping... right? RIGHT??
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Jul 28, 2021 20:57
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Vintersorg posted:He's jumping... right? RIGHT?? Yeah SWP is probably jumping there
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Jul 28, 2021 20:58
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Give each player a massive full face helmet that is modelled on their head but x2 scale. Unfortunately this will mean every prem club will need to widen their tunnel for Harry maguire but this is a project worth undertaking imo
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Jul 28, 2021 22:39
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Bape Culture posted:Give each player a massive full face helmet that is modelled on their head but x2 scale. Unfortunately this will mean every prem club will need to widen their tunnel for Harry maguire but this is a project worth undertaking imo Imagine if you had Maguire and Joe Royle in the same team
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Jul 28, 2021 22:55
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Joe Hart has an underappreciatedly big head too
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