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I also like how nice it looks. Makes me hope for something similar to Dota where they release seasonal skins for the map that change up the look, except I would like a version that doesnt cost 200 dollars e: also, this is the guy I was watching last night who was maxing out items to see how big the advantage is. He seems like he's just buying everything and throwing it all at the wall to see what stick in terms of effectiveness https://www.twitch.tv/moistcr1tikal RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Just a heads up about the pay to win mechanics. It takes 2,587 Gems to take an item from 1 - 30, and it takes 567 gems to take it from 1 - 20 For a full upgrade on a level 30 item it costs 20$ your first time (1220+1220) and then 40$ for each item after that, assuming you spend your dosh only on Gems To take it to level 20, it takes 567 Gems, so for 2440 you could take 4 items up to level 20, and then 2 items up to level 20 for each 20$ spent. I've been looking at tests on youtube, and there's not a lot, but here's what I could find. Numbers derived from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=833vC6WjMkU The difference between a level 1 Float Stone and a Level 25 Float Stone is about 2 seconds faster to get into lane out of combat. The difference between a level 1 Rocky Helmet and a level 29 Rocky Helmet with a level 2 dwebble vs zeraora it allowed dwebble to survive about 3 more auto attacks The difference between a level 1 Muscle Band and a level 20 Muscle band with a level 2 dwebble vs audino is 2 auto attacks faster. Following Numbers Derived from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPymX1RIhjI Cramorant with a whirlpool on a dummy at level 2 does 1674 if centered correctly, with level 20 spc atk specs (a +16 special attack buff) it does 1728, Because focus specs are a flat damage boost, it will only do 50 additional damage at any level. When leveling, it only adds to base stats not scaling, so the biggest damage boost is going to be early game. It should note that this is the most powerful move in the game at level 2. Doing the math because it scales lineally, we know that this will be a +76 damage buff at 30 Alolan Ninetails, at level 3 with a level 20 spc atk specs (+16 Sp Attack) and a level 17 muscle band +9 attack, +4% basic attack speed deals 1193 with the passive, icy wind, powder snow, in 3 seconds. The extra attack speeds allows them an additional hit in about 4 seconds, which is the same that we saw in the audino video. Just doing the math it would kill the audino one auto attack faster then normal. A level 30 Cookie gives +240 HP. 4 auto attacks from a no item ninetails does 1,925. One auto attack a level 3 alolan ninetails with the passive does 556 I do not believe this game is pay to win, the buffs are extremely small, when added up and do not matter pass the first 3 or 4 levels when stats scale massively, shrinking the boosts even further. If other people disagree let me know!
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Yeah I agree with that basically. It is objectively an advantage, but it's so minor that it's not going to let you win a game you would have otherwise lost. There are times when, yeah, I get into a 1v1 with someone and one of us gets away with a sliver of HP and I think "having three maxed out items would have changed the outcome of that fight," but also getting into a fight with such a slim margin of success is a bad idea to begin with and no marginal advantage would have mattered if I just waited for someone else to show up and we win the fight no problem
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I haven't seen it mentioned in the thread yet, but there are some things you can turn on in settings (X on the main menu, bottom option, or + then - in game) under Controls that are extremely important! First of all, you can change your control type from the normal version where the basic attack button is A and that's it to: ADVANCED MODE which makes B also work to basic attack, but if you're near wild pokemon AND opposing pokemon, B will only attack wild pokemon and A will only attack opposing pokemon, which can be super important for picking targets properly! I managed to steal a Zapdos like this once, Heavy Slam'd into it as Snorlax while the entire enemy team was fighting it and managed to slap it to death before they could KO me or it The other important option is the Lock On Circle, which will appear on the right side of the screen lets you lock on to specific opposing pokemon when they're nearby using the right stick, so you can auto-attack a far away pikachu with 5hp instead of the close by Snorlax with full health There's also a Boosted Attack Gauge which isn't as important as the other two settings, but it'll show little pips under your health bar when you do basic attacks that'll let you know when you're about to get a boosted attack, can be useful if you need to remember how many attacks until a boosted attack, since most are 3, but some are other numbers, like Garchomp gets one at 5 attacks Unrelated to the above, but I love Gengar, Sludge Bomb->Hex is nuts, Hex is a blink that does damage, but if the target was afflicted by poison/burn/etc. it does even more damage and the cooldown goes to like 1 second, so you just poison someone and then teleport on top of them like 3-4 times to do a huge burst of damage each time. I know Venusaur also has Sludge Bomb and Charizard can inflict burns and stuff so I wonder what the ideal "let a Gengar destroy everyone" team would be Xad fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Jul 24, 2021 06:42
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you can put pikachu on your head for your player card. game of the century
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Gengar is doubly nuts because his Hex trick pretty much instagibs Rotom/Zapdos/Dreadnaw Also, I figured out whats up with the AFKs! So if you've ever gotten the brief "error, reconnecting" message, if you tap A to cancel it will kickyou back out to the main menu and reboot the game. Re-entering will let you rejoin the game, but you can't move or control anything or do anything and you just have to sit there and watch the game go on for ten minutes
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Jul 24, 2021 07:21
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If you do get that just leave I guess, because it does replace people with bots. I've had exactly one game, out of like 50, where it told me someone got replaced and asked me to issue orders. Only choices are stay put and follow me though, so they're not very useful
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Is there a way to rearrange your selection lineup? It gets rather clunky as the thing gets longer and I'd like to order according to the ones I pick most often.
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homeless snail posted:The quick mode map today is wild, no lanes all jungle, and you get 2x points when you dunk immediately after anyone else dunks in a hoop so you really need perhaps a bit more coordination than you should expect from a moba for babies. You can tell pretty much within the first minute who's going to win, depending on whichever team is setting up dunks properly I had a great Cramorant moment where I had 2 enemies coming after me, dove down a conveyor into my allies, and then hit my ult for turret mode at the end. Watching them try to run away when they realized it was too late was hilarious.
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Bruceski posted:Is there a way to rearrange your selection lineup? It gets rather clunky as the thing gets longer and I'd like to order according to the ones I pick most often. I don't think so and it's part of something I hope they improve soon, every menu is extremely laggy even ones that probably don't need to be server-based
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Jul 24, 2021 08:47
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inthesto posted:I like this game and the fact that it heavily draws from my old squeeze LoL Dominion. However: Holy moley  I knew Zapdos was overtuned but I didn't know it was this bad.
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mfcrocker posted:Hah goddamn, I main Talonflame and just got their holo set in the gacha I wish I could too. I picked that cute as hell Fletchling as my first Pokemon and it kills me I can't just drop a fiver on the game and get that awesome summer outfit. Bruceski posted:I had a great Cramorant moment where I had 2 enemies coming after me, dove down a conveyor into my allies, and then hit my ult for turret mode at the end. Watching them try to run away when they realized it was too late was hilarious. I bought Cramorant with my first 8000 coins because it's a real dumb looking bird, how would I not? And turns out it's a hilarious pokemon to play because people don't know how to handle it at all.  What am I gonna do, NOT pick this guy? How are you guys building yours? I'm normally going Air Slash and Surf. The self-heal on Air Slash is great, and the double wave catches people off guard all the time. And of course the ultimate is awesome, just flop down behind the line and murder EEEEEVERYONE. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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Realized something very funny about the game. If you lose three games in a row, the game will put you into a bot match in your next round, even if you're playing ranked, and won't let you play against people again until you win a match. I know this because I realized I was playing with bots, booted up a surrender vote and it immediately went through and we lost despite being up like 200 points and I had to play in another lobby where everyone had the exact same trainer card
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I'm having way too much fun as Eldegoss and just keeping people alive for way longer than I expect. I imagine it probably gets tougher in the higher ranks when people actually try and focus down the healer though. I'm finding the best way to actually make people attack the Zapdos is to just run there with Eldegoss and start attacking it myself because it's easy to heal through the damage, and eventually someone will be walking through and realise what's happening.
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I love his tornado, people see a squishy healer, and always chase you in a straight line and you can get them all with the tornado, and then come in and clean up. It works even better if you have an ally that knows to his in the bushes while you retreat and bait them after you.
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I'm kind of loving this. Just the perfect match length for a moba, and the simplicity compared to something like dota or leage makes it just good casual fun. Ready to pick up another mon for my rooster, lack an all rounder... is Charizard fun and easy to play?
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Avalerion posted:I'm kind of loving this. Just the perfect match length for a moba, and the simplicity compared to something like dota or leage makes it just good casual fun. I haven't tried an all-rounder but the few noob guides I've glanced through kept recommending Charizard as a good first choice.
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Honestly, I don't think there's any pokémon that are bad. Maybe in a few months the meta will develop and there will be obvious duds, but there's huge numbers of cannon fodder kids to play against so anything you pick can be good. There's a lot of tier lists online and they are all over the place. Just have some fun and pick whichever you like.
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Jul 24, 2021 15:42
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:A lot of words Thank you for this it genuinely helps. Also just sleeping on it and realising I was diving quite a lot when I should’ve been hanging back. Had a lot more success in my last couple games even solo top lane. Might not be victories but I don’t feel like I’m throwing the games anymore.
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Annoyed at the limited options for rebinding buttons. I want to put Attack on L so I can leave my right thumb on the stick for aiming, but you've only got the three special moves and Map(???) available to put there. I oughta be able to bind all my triggers to Return to Base if I want to, dammit. Also annoyed at the music. I know Tencent is a tiny little company on a shoestring budget, but you'd think they could have gotten the main Pokemon theme and some better chiptunes at the very least. I really want to play Pikachu and Wigglytuff, but I blew all my coins on Gengar, and I can't decide whether or not it's worth blowing $20 on this game. The core of it does seem fun, if a little more shallow than something like League of Legends, but there are a lot of weird choices they've made (you can't ever see the score? what?) even before you get into the monetization scheme -- which really does seem overly predatory now that I've had a day to look through everything. I don't like how hard it is to figure out what $20 would get me -- it's 2440 gems, so Pikachu and Wigglytuff (and probably Garchomp and Eldegoss) come to 1725, which leaves me with 715... but then apparently I can get Item Enhancers with gems? There's no price for them on the screen. How many Enhancers does it take to level up? It looked like the prices were going 3-4-5 when I was upgrading stuff last night, but eventually it started going up by 2s and then 3s, so there's really no telling how item levels I can get with 715 gems. It leaves me with a very bad taste in my mouth. I woulda paid $60 for this game easily if it were an option, but I'm not sure I want to reward this kind of scheme.
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This poo poo is perfect for an old rear end in a top hat like myself who doesn’t have the time or patience for mobas anymore but misses the action.
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I somehow got two penalties for Malicious idling despite not going idle in any matches so far.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I somehow got two penalties for Malicious idling despite not going idle in any matches so far. After the match you can report people for malicious idling and something else. I don't think there's any kind of check to see if you actually did, so spiteful people can just report you for anything in every game if they want.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Realized something very funny about the game. If you lose three games in a row, the game will put you into a bot match in your next round, even if you're playing ranked, and won't let you play against people again until you win a match. I am look forward to the game offering me a freebie round after I get triple-crushed in ranked. Pivoting to Venusaur, matches my semi-defensive play style in a way Ninetails didn't, plus Solar Beam is universally useful.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:After the match you can report people for malicious idling and something else. I don't think there's any kind of check to see if you actually did, so spiteful people can just report you for anything in every game if they want. Lol is there a low priority queue? I’m glad they were able to capture the experience of reporting teammates, but it’s not the same unless you are stuck in a pool of horrible people to play with
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There's fair play points, you start at 100 and lose points for not readying in time, going AFK, being reported. At like 90, 60, and 40 are the thresholds for being unable to queue for certain things
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Concurred posted:There's fair play points, you start at 100 and lose points for not readying in time, going AFK, being reported. At like 90, 60, and 40 are the thresholds for being unable to queue for certain things 90 is the threshold for not be able to claim fair play rewards. Still I don't get why I would be reported, I got KOed quite a bit at the start, but got MVP overall.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:I wish I could too. I picked that cute as hell Fletchling as my first Pokemon and it kills me I can't just drop a fiver on the game and get that awesome summer outfit. I go with surf (partially because it's good, partially because I can't be arsed to go into a practice map figure out dive) and Hurricane, but now that I'm past the lowest tier of ranked, folks are learning to keep moving so that's tougher to place unless they're distracted. The main thing for how enemies can handle Crawmorant 1v1 is don't flinch. If you can get in there and bully them they don't have much to stop you. Machamp and Snorlax in particular tend to wreck me, the speedy guys (Talonflame, Z-whatshisface) it depends who lands their skils. Anyone who gets nervous, tries to stay at range? I can usually get them. Where I excel is where people are distracted. I can drop some serious damage into folks if they're not moving trying to jink me. Particularly with whirlpool in the early game, people don't realize the damage speeds up as time goes on and it shrinks so I've seen so many people try to tank it based on the lighter up-front damage. And the ult... even if you don't kill folks it's an AMAZING zoning tool. If they stay in and don't immediately murder you they die. If they try to get out they're not wherever you're trying to keep them away from (scoring allies)
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drat, Zapados can really change the tide of the game. My team was really behind all game, but we squeezed out with it. Still gonna vote out if we lose 3 nodes in the first 5 minutes tho.
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Oh wow, was disconnected (game crash) during the loading screen where you can see all 10 players. Opened the game back up, selected to join a match, and that SAME loading screen appeared, then I entered the game as if I'd idled the whole time. We came back with me 90 seconds behind, felt good. Ninetails plays better now that I've replaced Avalanche, that move does me no favors.
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Solar Tornado posted:drat, Zapados can really change the tide of the game. My team was really behind all game, but we squeezed out with it. If my team gets Zapdos, I just stop paying attention and assume we've won I've yet to be wrong
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inthesto posted:If my team gets Zapdos, I just stop paying attention and assume we've won It's happened to me once, when the other team rather rushing in to interfere with the kill grouped up and did one massive dump on us from the grass as we were rushing their central goal, they got the win by 20 points. But they'd also been steadily out doing us most of the match.
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I have the item that gives you a stack of extra sp attack when you dunk (six stacks total) so I've been killing one mouse and for 1pt and dunking 3 or 4 times since a 1pt dunk takes like 1 sec and is hard to interrupt. It gives a huge advantage early game that I can snowball with. The trick is to get just one point. Any more and it takes too long to dunkachino.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I have the item that gives you a stack of extra sp attack when you dunk (six stacks total) so I've been killing one mouse and for 1pt and dunking 3 or 4 times since a 1pt dunk takes like 1 sec and is hard to interrupt. It gives a huge advantage early game that I can snowball with. The trick is to get just one point. Any more and it takes too long to dunkachino. Yeah, it's basically guaranteed if you have the Score Shield too. It stacks up to 6 times by the way
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How does Slowbro's blue health work? I thought that was his Oblivious passive, but if you're in a fight, then you die as soon as your green health is all gone even if you've got a full bar of blue.
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no thats oblivious. if you hit 0 health you hit zero health. the blue health is essentially just damage you can heal later, not damage that didnt happen.
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Phenotype posted:How does Slowbro's blue health work? I thought that was his Oblivious passive, but if you're in a fight, then you die as soon as your green health is all gone even if you've got a full bar of blue.
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Phenotype posted:How does Slowbro's blue health work? I thought that was his Oblivious passive, but if you're in a fight, then you die as soon as your green health is all gone even if you've got a full bar of blue. Oblivious only makes some damage delayed, so you can still do enough to KO them normally
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Honestly, I don't think there's any pokémon that are bad. Maybe in a few months the meta will develop and there will be obvious duds, but there's huge numbers of cannon fodder kids to play against so anything you pick can be good. There's a lot of tier lists online and they are all over the place. Just have some fun and pick whichever you like. I know I said Cramorant before, but after thinking about it, I think Slowbro isn't "bad" per se, but it really seems like Snorlax and Wigglytuff do everything that he does but better. Telekinesis is too easy to interrupt and is incredibly finnickey to hit, and Surfing gives up your ranged offensive capability in lane.
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Just spent 8000 gold on ninetails before realizing it’s the reward for day two… still on day one so I don’t know if I’ll get anything for day two yet but that’s very unfortunate. Having a blast and been playing all day though. Edit- thanks for the information. Didn’t mean to misspell but just got an iPhone and this thing aggressively autocorrects on everything compared to android. Cyks fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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