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NikkolasKing posted:An observation: The fights in YYH aren't very good in and of themselves. They are good because of the writing and execution. ...what do you think makes a good fight, exactly? The writing and execution dictate as much about the internal logic and mechanics of battle scenes as it does plot and the characterization. Comics and cartoons are not like action movies, where you can have a lovely script but a dedicated stunt team and choreographer who still manage to shine through in spite of it all.
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the fights in YYH are also by and large very good even if you discount the little headgames everyone plays. i still remember how fluid and intense the yusuke vs. doctor battle was, and that was just two guys duking it out in a hospital corridor and this came after an arc where yusuku had leveled a zipcode-sized space by yelling really loud
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Aug 3, 2021 03:45
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There's plenty of stock shonen fights in YYH but also a lot of absolutely loving fantastic ones. Yusuke vs Doctor and Yusuke vs Sensui part one are fantastic and both Hiei and Kurama get a ton of excellent fights
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Aug 3, 2021 04:51
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i think i'm harder-pressed to remember any particular bad fights in YYH? all the main characters had their own form of appeal. yusuke's were straightforward slugfests but got by on combat banter, especially in the tourney arc. kuwabara's were maybe the most tedious because 90% of all his fights were just him facetanking, but you had chris sabat's voice work and also his opponents getting more and more freaked out by his resilience. kurama's were basically proto-HxH battles with both fighters doing mindgames until someone died horribly. hiei just nuked everything
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Aug 3, 2021 05:16
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Oxxidation posted:i think i'm harder-pressed to remember any particular bad fights in YYH? all the main characters had their own form of appeal. yusuke's were straightforward slugfests but got by on combat banter, especially in the tourney arc. kuwabara's were maybe the most tedious because 90% of all his fights were just him facetanking, but you had chris sabat's voice work and also his opponents getting more and more freaked out by his resilience. kurama's were basically proto-HxH battles with both fighters doing mindgames until someone died horribly. hiei just nuked everything As mentioned not a super big fan of Kurama vs Elder Toguro.
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Aug 3, 2021 05:18
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I wanted to see more Mukuro. If Togashi could have replicated her character and inserted it into HxH after he finished Yu Yu Hakusho, that would've been great.
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Aug 3, 2021 15:06
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11 episodes in, it's OK so far. Things are building up nicely but we're weighing everything against HxH, which gets right into it from episode 1.
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Aug 3, 2021 15:21
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The 2011 hxh skipped a ton of stuff lol
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Aug 3, 2021 15:49
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GorfZaplen posted:The 2011 hxh skipped a ton of stuff lol True, but to be fair, so did YuYuHakusho. It condescended like 2 volumes of miscellaneous ghost adventures down to like 4 episodes.
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Aug 3, 2021 15:51
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Yeah on the whole YYH probably skips more, which makes sense a lot of that stuff isn’t very shonen
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Aug 3, 2021 16:12
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Also reminder: While he has done some fantastic work in the field in his later years, Hiyama's top-of-the-line blood-curdling screams were also good at making Hiei's most awesome/horrifying moments have a different impact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvSj-BBmI8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtPjvf3HKcg
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Aug 3, 2021 21:05
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Fantastic show, I wish any other shonen had such a strong core cast.
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Aug 3, 2021 23:19
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OnimaruXLR posted:...what do you think makes a good fight, exactly? The writing and execution dictate as much about the internal logic and mechanics of battle scenes as it does plot and the characterization. Like, take Yusuke vs. Toguro as an example. Really, nothing happens in that fight outside of a few Big Moments. Moreover, Yusuke and Toguro have pretty simplistic powers compared to everything we've seen in the Dark Tournament. But it still works because of the characters and emotions. But I don't see why you think cartoons can't have good-looking fights without great writings just like in an action film.
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Finished ep. 21 last night. Honestly, the Suzaku fight was terribly paced. We were groaning at every cut away to Botan or binky boy, while the rest of the team wastes time on completely non-threatening vegetables. I had to check before posting this, could've sworn it went on for 5-6 episodes but apparently it was only 3.
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Aug 10, 2021 23:34
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Saint Beasts kinda suck and are my least favorite arc. Genbu's a chump Byakko goes on way too long and Suzaku also drags rear end. Seiryu's the only one I really like.
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up to episode 42 now, Kuwabara's about to fight the last ninja team guy. For the most part we're still thinking 'when does this get good?'. There are way too many characters who serve no purpose other than to repeat what's happening on screen and holy crap is it a waste of time. Binky boy and foxgirl announcer need to be catapulted into the sun. There's also the problem with Yusuke being generally unlikeable. Irish ninja fight had some spark. Please do more stuff like that, or better. bees x1000 fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 18:05
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Yusuke rules and is one of the best shonen protagonists out there, what the gently caress
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Aug 26, 2021 20:32
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I mean there is a reason most shonen protagonists are basically wet cardboard.
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bees x1000 posted:up to episode 42 now, Kuwabara's about to fight the last ninja team guy. For the most part we're still thinking 'when does this get good?'. There are way too many characters who serve no purpose other than to repeat what's happening on screen and holy crap is it a waste of time. Binky boy and foxgirl announcer need to be catapulted into the sun. I think if at this point you don’t like it, maybe just stop? All the stuff here is good stuff and considered some of the best parts in the show. RevolverDivider posted:Yusuke rules and is one of the best shonen protagonists out there, what the gently caress Also yeah to this. I have never seen anyone come away thinking Yusuke was unlikeable. He’s a great protag from minute one and only gets better.
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Aug 27, 2021 04:12
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Nah we don't want to quit. We know Togashi is a great writer so we're going to give the story its fair shake and see it through to the end.
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Aug 27, 2021 04:24
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good anime. good manga Yusuke Urameshi ftw
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bees x1000 posted:Nah we don't want to quit. We know Togashi is a great writer so we're going to give the story its fair shake and see it through to the end. Well if you do, Chapter Black will definitely be the make or break for you. It’s easily the peak of the series and it never hits that high again (my love for the next saga is despite its very big flaws). Asuron fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Aug 30, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 08:51
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Finished Psychic Fun House last night, best part of the show so far IMO. My wife actually likes a character now (Hiei). But we're continually frustrated by the execution, e.g.: - Toguro's interesting characterization comes largely in a post-death exposition dump - Genkai's and Kuwabara's deaths are undone far too quickly. Between flashbacks, reveals and possessions, Genkai features in every(?) episode between her death and resurrection. At least one of them should've stayed dead. - Yusuke has major emotional growth and then immediately goes back to slapping a catatonic Keiko. - Catatonic Keiko sits there for 10 minutes of a 15 minute countdown and no one just picks her up and walks out. - Binky boy reaction scenes are still a total waste of time. Stop. Wasting. My. Time. Again, it's not bad, but it could be better.
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GyroNinja posted:Doesn't Hiei even have a quote in the Dark Tournament where he says something to the effect of "People think I'm the evil one of the group, but man, don't ever make Kurama mad"? Yeah pretty much said that Kurama was the one that shouldn't be hosed with, since he's far more cruel when he wants to be. As shown by the assassin that attacked yomi not talking for god knows how many years of torture. Being that terrified of yoko. edit: fresh blood? time to add tags Brownieftw fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Sep 12, 2021 |
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Sep 12, 2021 00:41
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Super tense moment where Yusuke comes face to face with the doctor and then smash cut to yet another time wasting goofy Koenma scene I almost screamed The fight's animation was really cool though, another high point.
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bees x1000 posted:Super tense moment where Yusuke comes face to face with the doctor and then smash cut to yet another time wasting goofy Koenma scene I just did a re-watch of the show and noticed that they really went all out for that fight. It looked fantastic
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snackcakes posted:I just did a re-watch of the show and noticed that they really went all out for that fight. It looked fantastic conceptually it's also impressive how the show went from yusuke fighting an eight-foot muscle monster who can suck out a stadiumful of people's souls by screaming really loudly, to beating up a middle-aged dude in a hospital corridor, and still made the latter just as menacing as the former
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Sep 12, 2021 18:07
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We're at Chapter Black's climax and Kurama is pissed
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We've got 9 episodes left and all I have to say right now is the Hiei - eye surgeon guy clash is very weirdly choreographed. It looks like Hiei cuts his own arm off for no reason.
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bees x1000 posted:We've got 9 episodes left and all I have to say right now is the Hiei - eye surgeon guy clash is very weirdly choreographed. It looks like Hiei cuts his own arm off for no reason. He intended to die in that clash, so it's not like it mattered if he maimed his body. It looks a bit weirder because of how it cuts through his arm like butter while being played in slow-mo, but the intent is that he's using the arm to brace his sword when it impacts the phosphorus ring, allowing for him to get above it, and he cuts into the arm as a result of the impact, and just does a clean cut through it to more quickly position himself to slash Shigure.
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Sep 25, 2021 06:52
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hiei is the best character in YYH because he's just a mean little fucker
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yeah, the rest of the cast can sort of tolerate hiei when he's on their side, but not one character actually likes him.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:yeah, the rest of the cast can sort of tolerate hiei when he's on their side, but not one character actually likes him. Yukina, Mukuro
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Finished last night. I'm glad I watched it, had its moments, didn't hate it. IMO the story is a long slow buildup before hitting its stride at Yusuke vs Toguro. Then it's a least decent through Chapter Black until nosediving at the Yusuke-demon twist. Hiei is the best character. My favorite moments are the Doctor fight and Kurama's Gamemaster and Toguro fights. (but could have been better if the Doctor and Gamemaster stayed dead) If HxH is an A I'd give YYH a C+. bees x1000 fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Sep 27, 2021 |
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Sep 27, 2021 16:04
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I made myself laugh on reflecting on this series the other day because I had the thought that Sensui was basically radicalized because he went on rotten dot com. I still like his motivation to let the demons kill him for furthering their plight but thinking about plot points in a reductive manner like that tickles me. edit: hey just gauging opinion here but does anyone else get a real wistful sensation from listening to the final opening? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQBNze-sJw Bible Ian Black fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Oct 17, 2021 21:16
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So all of YYH is on Tubi and I proceeded to watch all of it over the course of about a month. As a kid I was obsessed with the show but never saw anything beyond the beginning of Sensui's stuff. The show definitely starts to run out of steam as the show goes on, which is a shame because the animation seems to keep getting better and better as the show goes on. I really struggled to get through the final fight with Sensui and the majority of the Three Kings stuff; it just felt like rehashing stuff that was done better before. It also really sucks to take Kuwabara off the board for the final story; he really grew into the best character on the show for me. The final episode was great, though, absolutely loved it.
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dark tournament ftw
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After also watching most of this show when it aired on Toonami but never sticking with it into the 'Black Tape' episodes, finally finished it during the pandemic. Thought it ended only 'alright', clearly peaked with the Dark Tournament, but was impressed that they more or less stuck the landing. Cute show. Good characters. Definitely a lot of unrealised potential in the bulk of the non-Yuskae cast. Last arc might have been a bit shruggy, with Yuyu being a chosen one from birthright but did like the setup for it, and general situation around it.
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I need to reread it but YYH has always been my favorite Togashi manga. The anime was a huge part of my childhood too, but with the exception of the Chimera Ant Arc in HxH which was fantastic, I just kinda preferred YYH's vibes more, at least up until the end of Sensui's arc
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:dark tournament ftw
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