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Archonex posted:
Oh hello shadowrun. (Yes, I know shadowrun isn't SR, but they grew up on the same street in the 90s together, and share a lot of unfortunate themes, including both games trying to make sympathetic AIDS victim analogues by making them contagious flesh/blood eating monster.)
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Wait, is this the Swedracula/Chechen Vampire Pogrom thing?
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Jul 29, 2021 09:00
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True, but I suppose the politics of WW as a company itself might be topical to the thread, especially, uh, when said politics create real world political problems. There does need to be hard limits since there is...a bunch to unpack. You go too far away from Vampire and you end up with Phil "Satyros" Brucato telling you its not bestiality as long as you're both wolves. Or whatever the hell aberrant was about, despite aberrant being a great insight into a particular kind of 90s brainworms. Also, you know, Wraith: The Oblivion 
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Jul 29, 2021 09:18
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MonsieurChoc posted:Technocracy are the bad guys not because they believe in Science, but because they're Western Imperialism and Capitalism. I thought the bigger meta argument was fought in the not-canon-but-also-canon-multi-splat-canon where the Technocratic Soviet Union ultimately lost to a vampircally controlled West, this being one of the bigger examples of non-mages forcing reality consensus changes upon the technocracy. And various vignettes where vampires would sass mages and get away with it. Correct me if I"m wrong but didn't Ventrue fart out to where the Tradition strongholds were they proceeded to poo poo on the senior mages and mock and scold them, and get away with it? Then there was the parts in Werewolf which were "If you REALLY want to save the world/reality, get a mage NPC ally..." Cobalt-60 posted:Seems like Werewolf missed the crazy drama. All they had were the "my Indian name would be Proud Eagle" wannabe wiccans and a bunch of (in retrospect) furries. It was a different lower key type of grossness. Werewolf the Forsaken has an anprim and eugenicist undertone (some tribes were far worse about it than other), with blood purity and descent being a core component of some types of woofiness. And as mentioned, the whole appeal to white nerds with a Dances-with-Wolves complex who thinks being shapeshifted into a wolf solves that particular romantic ethics problem. It was an earlier Canary-in-the-coal-mine of how there is both reactionary anti-imperialism (See also, Nazbols ranting about GLOBOHOMO or whatever) and progressive leftism anti-imperalism and sometimes they can get mixed up and its never good. There was also the idea of eco-terrorists in the 90s showed up in fiction a lot until it became apparent in reality there would be no new Weather Underground inside the continental U.S. because people didn't actually care that much. Rainbow Six and other mil-fiction, in addition to Werewolf, was really reaching to find a new conflict post-fall of the Soviet Union. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Jul 30, 2021 05:02
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The Technocracy also has a theoretically salvageable 'SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!' faction, for that particular nerd fetish of musk-esque technoimperialism.
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Jul 30, 2021 11:23
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Toph Bei Fong posted:This is very well put. World of Darkness: And then the metaphors fight each other
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Jul 31, 2021 03:02
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MonsieurChoc posted:One of the designers is a "Nixon was right to bomb Cambodgia" Republican. Kenneth Hite. Right wingers who are clear eyed about what their ideology entails are arguably more horrific than the ones that lie to themselves/are ignorant of it. 'Realpolitik' is shorthand for "Hi, I'm a monster" From what I recall, in DG you can also play professional criminals, but are narcs on a fed leash. TheCenturion posted:Go play Diplomacy. Hide the kitchen knives first. The last time I played a boardgame it was Diplomacy. Everyone else was drunk and there were multiple weapons lying around. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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Aug 9, 2021 16:28
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NikkolasKing posted:Hey, it gets a certain proportion of New Vegas players every time. Its a philosophy that celebrates mediocre white men as becoming ubermensh by doing the same things that come naturally to them. That just by sitting there and being Rational Decision Makers or whatever, technology allows for an apotheosis where the comfortable will become even more comfortable and all human experience outside these bounds can not only be dismissed as irrelevant, but can be declared obsolete (i.e. using a technological distinction as a moral judgement. Their 19th century equivilents would've used "barbaric" and/or "savage"). Imagine God embodied as a Twitter Checkmark. Its going to be more popular than ever because daydreaming rich idiots like Elon are the only ones with any vision of the future beyond "the same, but steadily worse". Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Yeah, too many RPGs seem to have the notion that destroying a big bad will lead to an even worse evil coming in and you are responsible for destroying a brutal status quo that was the only hope.
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