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Reconciling old world of darkness lore is a doomed enterprise, but since Demon: The Fallen was intentionally written as a tie-in (and its cosmology is a lot closer to V:TM canon than the other major settings) I think it's pretty relevant here.fool of sound posted:Demon the Fallen (which is the same world) is pretty explicitly young-earth creationist, but I don't think it lands on the 6kish year number, since it makes references to neolithic humans, which only barely fall into that. It always struck me as a neat bit of slight of hand to mitigate the problem of building from a particular part of one faith's creation myth. CommieGIR posted:Does VtM accept the Evangelical method of dating the earth via the Bible? That was basically made up on the fly by adding all the begats in the book of Genesis. I think at least some of the third generation of vampires (antediluvians, because they predate the biblical flood), and thus Cain himself are canonically older than six thousand years, which would rule that out. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jul 28, 2021 |
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Well, you can’t really expect children to paint their action figures before fighting pretend battles like the adults do.
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I'm only going on the Mage second ed corebook and some novels I read a long way back, so I sure can't speak to the setting as a whole. But if I was supposed to read that corebook as the capitalists versus the plucky morally ambiguous underdogs then I have the same problem with it that I do new Shadowrun: insofar as it's critiquing capitalism, the critique isn't great. The story presented is that material conditions are bad because a shadowy cabal of people at the top holding power have consciously decided to make/leave it that way, not because of a systemic issue. It's explicit in the book that their goals were good, but the people at the top got greedy (helped along by the actual objectively evil wizards) and gave up on them. And so,Ferrinus posted:It's important to understand, though, that as a literary element the Technocracy isn't an illuminati conspiracy that likes really-existing capitalism and so works behind the scenes to protect really-existing capitalism. It is capitalism, or rather a metaphorical stand-in for it. It does the stuff capitalism does, it has problems akin to capitalism's, it has a history akin to capitalism's, etc. this would be the part where I don't follow. I mean, the text quite pointedly says that their current goals are (1) control of everything, and (2) equality, even if it means cutting down those at the top. It then specifically describes their ideals as a warped form of communism, with the contradiction being that elites have to be there to impose that equality, drawing a comparison to the Soviet Union. The much more natural read of it to me is as a libertarian-ish spin on evil manipulative big government, with the bad guys being a pastiche of different flavors of The Man. If there's stuff in other books where they demonstrate systemic contradictions analogous to capitalism, hey, cool, I don't know a lot about the setting. But I don't think it's fair to say I "failed the test" the book puts before me if I read the side it calls communists to be something other than a representation of capitalism. e: if this is a "the author actually made a point way different from their apparent intent" kinda take, okay, but I didn't read you to be making that argument. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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