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cropoval
Feb 17, 2020

Sindai posted:

What was the brown lump they left Rajdhani?

It was the gift Rajdhani had originally left Nagara when he left on his journey, the thing that wouldn't change no matter what you do to it.

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Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

that was a beautiful episode. i wasn't really expecting this degree of closure from the series but here it is

marumaru
May 20, 2013



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j20RmvCCkVg

that was absolutely incredible. what a show.

fairlight
May 18, 2007

why does it seem like nobody is watching this absolute masterpiece lol

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
It's weird and challenging and fun but let's be honest, this show pretty much dares people to stick with it, what with its standoffish characters, roundabout approach to storytelling, and near complete lack of background music until the dog episode.

I really wish more people would, though! It's rewarding in a way nothing else has been for the last few years. The problem is it's such a departure from the apparently normal model where a series absolutely hooks you with all the bells and whistles and each episode is individually satisfying for a while, and then it suckers you with a completely horseshit ending. Most people would rather chase those highs and risk the horseshit. Understandable, really. But I'd like to see more like this.

fairlight
May 18, 2007

Yeah. It also has a rather muted and almost dissociative emotional tone (especially in the first half of the season) so it doesn't immediately grab you the way more melodramatic stuff might. But it has a lot of very real and relatable personal emotion underlying all the surreal elements, especially as it's gone on. This penultimate episode was one of the most touching episodes of anime I've ever seen

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
Yeah, even in the first half of the season that emotional tone absolutely nails teenage anxieties the way few pieces of media have. Probably uncomfortable for a lot of people depending on how raw or recent it may be.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



usenet celeb 1992 posted:

It's weird and challenging and fun but let's be honest, this show pretty much dares people to stick with it, what with its standoffish characters, roundabout approach to storytelling, and near complete lack of background music until the dog episode.

I really wish more people would, though! It's rewarding in a way nothing else has been for the last few years. The problem is it's such a departure from the apparently normal model where a series absolutely hooks you with all the bells and whistles and each episode is individually satisfying for a while, and then it suckers you with a completely horseshit ending. Most people would rather chase those highs and risk the horseshit. Understandable, really. But I'd like to see more like this.

Did you see Odd Taxi? It sounds like you didn't see Odd Taxi.

It also sounds like you're betting heavy on this not having a horseshit ending, which... well, call no man happy until he's dead, eh? Even really good anime have absolutely poo poo the bed at the finish line. (Unless the last episode leaked early somewhere?)

Another thing holding the show back is it being on Funi instead of Crunchy, reducing the potential audience. Oh, and it's a slow season in general, so fewer people are poking around to see if the oddballs are worth a look while waiting for the big names to update.

So, yeah. Deck stacked against it, and it was a niche kind of show to start.

fairlight
May 18, 2007

While I liked odd taxi a lot, I don't think it comes anywhere close to sonny boy in tone or execution, and I find it annoying that people are comparing the two. Odd Taxi was charming, and used its rather limited scale to good effect, but I think people are really overstating just how good the writing in that show was - it's for the most part an all-around competent production, but it had a couple flaws and it lacks the depth of metaphor and sublime creative ambition that sonny boy has. Totally different animals, pun intended.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I don't get the Odd taxi comparison. Like fairlight says it was a good show but limited.Personally it has pretty much vanished from my consciousness since it ended.

For me Eizouken is the most recent show to capture my mind like this though that's also a very different beast!

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
Chiasaur is correct that I haven't seen Odd Taxi, however. I'll check it out sometime.

Yeah, maybe things will collapse in the last couple episodes, but I really have faith. I think just about every episode has nailed what it set out to do in terms of developing characters and the overarching themes. Most series that collapse into horseshit are the ones where they're slick enough that people overintellectualize what the show is actually getting at (I have been guilty of this and will be guilty of it again), when in fact all those mysterious, ambiguous elements left open to interpretation are in fact just the showrunners having no idea what they were doing and just making things look cool. With Sonny Boy, the choices are much more deliberate and the dialogue much sharper; interpretation may be difficult but the intent is clearly there.

Possibly the most appropriate precedent is Wonder Egg Priority, which I also haven't seen, but people were saying actually handled grief well in the early episodes. Then by the time I figured I'd get around to watching it, people were already saying it had turned to complete poo poo and there were problematic elements they'd glossed over in even the "good" episodes. And that was midway through the series (and not even getting into the production/animation issues). We're over the halfway mark here, but yeah, guess we'll see how well it holds up.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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I caught up with this show after starting it yesterday. Its real good. Also the "Ms Aki's boobs" mind read thought made me lmao

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

I haven’t heard much about this show and it looks completely to be my type of thing, hope it lands the ending

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
This show has been excellent. Best new anime I've seen in years.

Tampa Bae
Aug 23, 2021

Please, this is all I have
Someone told me to watch it because I don't watch a lot of Anime and it's up there with the kind of stuff I do like. Up to episode 6, waiting for the last episode to release before watching the second half of the series.

Beautifully animated and the soundtrack is great but every episode I started feels like I've missed an entire episode somewhere. I still like it a lot though and can't wait to finish the series. The surrealism reminds me a little of FLCL

Big Leg
May 22, 2020

a corpse is talking
thank you sonny boy for delivering a beautiful ending + having the courage to not overexplain all the fantastic surreal nonsense. easily my anime of the year

Wollawolla
Jan 15, 2007

Are you gonna smash my skull and breathe my blood-mist?
This show's soundtrack, and its use of its soundtrack really was excellent.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.
this was extremely good

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild
Glad to hear it apparently nailed the landing. Now to binge it all in one go.

fairlight
May 18, 2007

complete masterpiece of a show.

sakugablog has a writeup on the production background that explains what a perfect storm of a creative project this was. I can only pray we get something else of this caliber someday soon
https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/09/19/a-masterclass-in-illustrating-a-singular-worldview-sonny-boy-and-shingo-natsume/

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular

Julias posted:

Glad to hear it apparently nailed the landing. Now to binge it all in one go.

Absolutely dead-on nailed it. Enjoy.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
Wasn't too thrilled by the ending, but it wasn't "bad" so much as "lackluster and predictable". But the show was so good the series is still a 9/10 for me.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

I'm surprised this thread is only two pages at this point because the show to me was fantastic in a kind of indescribable way. Like mentioned before it's all about feel and emotion which can be tough for some to really get into I guess.

It was incredibly unique and visually impressive and an all around banger for me.

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
Once you've watched through episode 11 you know pretty much exactly how the series will end, sure. And as an allegory for growing up, I agree that it's far from unique for the genre. The part about the bird's nest was far from subtle but this series hasn't exactly been coy about its overarching themes, even as it's been deliberately enigmatic about the details like the identities of Aki and "god". But the details were never of primary importance. What matters is how well it nailed the atmosphere, characterization, and emotions, and that makes all the difference. This series rang true in so many ways and it genuinely affected me the way few pieces of visual media have done lately.

marumaru
May 20, 2013



This was very good. I'm ashamed to admit I probably didn't get some of it, but what I did get was great.
Beautiful show.

fairlight
May 18, 2007

The last episode was a denouement after ep 11’s emotional climax, and I thought it was a great way to wrap up and contrast the rest of the show - somber and contemplative without being overly dour. The overcast atmosphere was phenomenal, similar to and easily on par with disappearance of haruhi or hyouka.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.
I wish Rajdhani all the best in his new life as a forest.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Does that mean the rest of the class is still on the other side?

net work error fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Oct 1, 2021

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular

net work error posted:

Does that mean the rest of the class is still on the other side?

Could be, though probably for the best that it's left up to individual speculation. Maybe they managed to "reset" everyone to their old (pre-duplication, pre-drifting) lives, like Nozomi. It's unclear whether Asakaze retains any memory of This World (and is, therefore, gone from This World and back to leading his pre-duplicate life), or if he's still in This World and the one we see in the latter half of the episode is the pre-drift version (like Nozomi). If it's the latter, then maybe the rest of the students are back too, and we just didn't see them. But if he did return (the encounter at the beginning suggests it may be a possibility), then that suggests that nearly everyone with some manner of power to move between This Worlds (or otherwise bring objects across worlds) chose to return to the real world (except for Radjhani).

But as it turned out, there are lots of students in This World, and given the factional splits and even the awful exploitative communities some of them built, it seemed like most of them were oddly satisfied to remain there, however much they may have cursed Nagara for it (bitterly cursing fates we have no intention of making any effort to change being a common hobby in the real grown-up world, too). Whether conscious of it or not, maybe they made their choice too.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Normally I can't stand ambiguity in writing for a show but it strangely works here. Because so much of the show is emotional personal interpretation is kind of cool in this case.

My wife watched it with me but checked out early on because of that same ambiguity I think but I'm a sucker for an ambitious show. One show that came to mind while thinking on Sonny Boy that was such a powerful combo of art, writing, and exploration was Ping Pong. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

Absolutely wonderful start to finish, one of my favorites in years. Really want the OST

fairlight posted:

complete masterpiece of a show.

sakugablog has a writeup on the production background that explains what a perfect storm of a creative project this was. I can only pray we get something else of this caliber someday soon
https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/09/19/a-masterclass-in-illustrating-a-singular-worldview-sonny-boy-and-shingo-natsume/

great article, ty! I forget sakugabooru exists, need to keep up with it again

Big Leg
May 22, 2020

a corpse is talking

marumaru posted:

This was very good. I'm ashamed to admit I probably didn't get some of it, but what I did get was great.
Beautiful show.

i don't think you need to be ashamed -- this is show where the characters age thousands of years offscreen and hop to fundamentally different realities in between scenes. it's intentionally a disorienting, surreal experience and it's okay if something doesn't make immediate narrative/metaphorical/thematic/metanarrative sense. if you appreciated the masterful production values, or delighted in the unexpected, or were emotionally engaged, or reflected death/ennui/adolescence/insert other theme, that's a completely valid reading.

Big Leg
May 22, 2020

a corpse is talking

grate deceiver posted:

I wish Rajdhani all the best in his new life as a forest.

mizuho was so happy to hear that raj turned into a forest. i hope i have the same strength if that ever happens to one of my friends

marumaru
May 20, 2013



also some of the music was really loving good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSDdRxAEdcs

marumaru
May 20, 2013



Malsangoroth
Apr 2, 2015

Finally finished the anime. I don't know exactly what I just watched, but I liked it.

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

im dumb, did we get even a hint about who headmaster god or ms aki was? seems like they had an agenda before I guess everyone drifted for a million years and came to some non specified fate at the end of time

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
No firm explanations, except that Ms Aki wasn't a supervisor, but was instead just a fellow peer.

BTW Boogiepop and Others, another of Shingo Natsume's work, has a great OST.

usenet celeb 1992
Jun 1, 2000

he thought quoting borges would make him popular
Saw some speculation that "god" could somehow be a future Hoshi due to the similar hair and smarmy, manipulative nature, and the sunglasses potentially covering the birthmark under the eye, but as with so much in the series it's probably best left up to personal speculation. The quote in that image above sums it up nicely.

"God", Aki, and Hoshi are all secretive types and are manipulative toward various ends, and even have that same unctuous turtle-like smile, and could just represent various aspects of the adult world that just seek to get things out of other people without being particularly helpful about navigating the rules of the adult world. Up to you exactly what those aspects are.

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Ghost of Babyhead
Jun 28, 2008
Grimey Drawer
Am I seeing things, or wasn't Hoshi the 'inventor' in episode 11, the one who removed his own ability to desire things?

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