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Vinestalk posted:Cause it ignores all the context. Like when did things start getting worse? For me it all traces back to 2015 and 2016. In 2015 they had obvious needs and bought only Cech, but they got lucky and everyone crapped the bed except for Lester. The next year Wengy panicked and bought all of the crap that it took us years to offload and we dropped out of the CL. It’s all been on the same trajectory since then.
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arsenal under wenger were generally 4th in the wage table, and he had them finishing at or higher than that position in the league. now do since then. if you look at the top leagues, where clubs finish generally aligns very closely to where they are in the wages table. to expect arsenal to have finished above chelsea, man city, man utd for wengers last years is just not realistic
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:When they put the "50 Not Out" shirts on lol i forget where i read/heard this but someone actually flagged Arsenal's defeat to Chelsea in the 2004 Champion's League as a starting point of an incredibly drawn out period of decline, which I can sort-of get behind. They were the best team in the competition and should have added a European cup to their Invincibles title, but they bottled it by conceding 2 soft goals late on and allowed Chelsea to start the process of usurping them as London's biggest club. They could have cemented themselves as one of the biggest clubs in the world, but well, lol. Either that or just all of 2006, when Lehmann got his stupid rear end sent off in the CL final and then they moved into one of the biggest architectural mistakes in all of football. Really, there are countless moments over the last 15+ years you can point at as the moment Arsenal started/cemented their decline. I've said this multiple times on the Discord server already, but one of the better football writers really needs to publish a 500-page warts-and-all book on how loving badly they've been ran since the mid 2000s. It would be amazing.
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This statement is not factually correct, but it was definitely when Arsenal went 1-0 up in the 98th minute and still didn't win the game because Eboue pushed over a man running away from goal four minutes later for no reason, thus pissing away their chances of winning the 2010-11 title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxvo-oZc7Bs That was also the year of the Birminghamening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nte2DRQi9kc
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an_mutt posted:i forget where i read/heard this but someone actually flagged Arsenal's defeat to Chelsea in the 2004 Champion's League as a starting point of an incredibly drawn out period of decline, which I can sort-of get behind. They were the best team in the competition and should have added a European cup to their Invincibles title, but they bottled it by conceding 2 soft goals late on and allowed Chelsea to start the process of usurping them as London's biggest club. They could have cemented themselves as one of the biggest clubs in the world, but well, lol. Either that or just all of 2006, when Lehmann got his stupid rear end sent off in the CL final and then they moved into one of the biggest architectural mistakes in all of football. I def reckon it was post Invincibles that the snowball started forming which probably gives credit to the theories about it being to do with the new stadium as well. Which goes neatly onto... FullLeatherJacket posted:This statement is not factually correct, but it was definitely when Arsenal went 1-0 up in the 98th minute and still didn't win the game because Eboue pushed over a man running away from goal four minutes later for no reason, thus pissing away their chances of winning the 2010-11 title ...when Arsenal had got to the status of being a joke. The 8-2 was the start of the following season after these. Higher ups at Arsenal obviously thought Wenger could keep bums on seats in a 60k seater where they charge a loving eye watering amount for tickets while keeping around champions league football. The plan worked to a point CL qualification wise but it's simply taken until a couple of seasons ago for Arsenal to slip to less than 4-5 other clubs on a consistent basis, the decline was there all along and it's been allowed to reach levels where it's got them nowhere near a prayer for the Champions League in yet another season. Go back and look who Arsenal brought in to replace their star players as they trickled out of the club post 2004 and who replaced those replacements. Remember Squilacci? Djourou? Players that a mere few years before wouldn't have got a sniff of the squad nevermind a starting berth. Arsenal needed to tread water, instead they've taken the slowest plunge from consistent top 4 to top half. Early signs point to competing for top half could be a struggle this season given that they have spent an incredible amount of money to remain about as "good" as they were last season, while plenty of other teams around where Arsenal finished last season have strengthened and so have some of the lower finishers too. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Ah yes, Eboue "pushing" a man literally jumping sideways to get between him and the ball.
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ah, an opposing player Emmanuel Eboue's one weakness
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Let's not sell Eboue short, he also had trouble with his own players
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I saved up to get a seat in a box at the Liverpool game. Watching eboue get called for that peno was sad as all gently caress and also felt like an inevitability.
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Arsenal are a fail club that could do with a season in the championship. Same with Spurs tbh
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Guardiola says he plans to leave City in 2023 when his contract expires and then enter international management: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/25/pep-guardiola-reveals-manchester-city-departure-date-and-details-future-plans
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I'm sure someone notorious for galaxy braining themselves out of one off big game wins will have a glittering international career
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Speaking of internationals: https://mobile.twitter.com/England/status/1430877721287184392?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Go on Patrick 
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Aug 26, 2021 14:34
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Hmm. Still no Andy Caroll...
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Southgate has a grudge with Greenwood huh
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Grealish nailed on to start now he plays for a big club
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Frankston posted:Grealish nailed on to start now he plays for a big club Sancho too
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Barnes and Maddison snubbed again, quelle surprise.
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Is England classed as a red listed country so no players need to be released?
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https://www.cheshire.police.uk/news/cheshire/news/articles/2021/8/man-charged-in-connection-with-serious-sexual-offences-in-cheshire/ https://www.mancity.com/news/club/club-statement-63765586 "Benjamin Mendy, aged 27, has been charged with four counts of rape and one count of sexual assault." 
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vyelkin posted:Jesus Christ No, Mendy
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never thought I'd see the day when Mangala wouldn't be City's worst defensive investment, although it's close run three complainants and enough evidence to bring charges* sounds like he's in more than a spot of bother (*he'll have been entitled to anonymity up to that point, so for non-UK posters it basically means that they're intending to prosecute)
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TheRat posted:https://www.cheshire.police.uk/news/cheshire/news/articles/2021/8/man-charged-in-connection-with-serious-sexual-offences-in-cheshire/ Maybe they are bringing in Ronaldo for legal advice.
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Get crocked, do rapes #sharkteam
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hadji murad posted:Maybe they are bringing in Ronaldo for legal advice. lmao
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CyberPingu posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/match-of-the-day-premier-league-football-b1906082.html?amp Jesus. That's a terrible article. I'm not saying Match of The Day is perfect, but it seems like they want to turn it into a celeb fest chat show.
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Looks like this is Michael Edwards' last season at Liverpool.
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Match of the day is exactly as it should be???? A bunch of football and brief analysis between the football
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CyberPingu posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/match-of-the-day-premier-league-football-b1906082.html?amp quote:Ideally, a sports series like this would strike a deft balance between being entertaining and informative, dissecting what’s really happening in a game of football in a way that’s accessible for the everyday fan. that's a different show, you can have more than one show covering football
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proper analysis like that of every match would require 3 hours at least lol
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what if top gear but for football
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FullLeatherJacket posted:what if top gear but for football That's Soccer AM
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FullLeatherJacket posted:what if top gear but for football BT tried this when they first got the rights. I was a big fan of the random group of fans standing aimlessly in the studio with a random commentator in the middle giving his view on if something was a penalty or not. MOTD is perfect at what it is. Gets through a days games with a bit of analysis in under 2 hours.
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The overwhelming majority of the punditry on motd is luke warm dog poo poo, but I think anyone that really craves in depth analysis already has enough channels for that. It shows you the highlights and they talk about it a bit, and that's enough when pissed and tired on a Saturday night, or hung over and tired on a Monday morning.
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quote:Unlike many legacy series of its ilk, Match of the Day has remained quite enduringly popular across people of all age groups Definitely needs some big changes then. Just imagine if Frank Skinner was on!
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greazeball posted:Definitely needs some big changes then. Just imagine if Frank Skinner was on! Would he bring a blacked up david baddiel?
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CyberPingu posted:That's Soccer AM Soccer AM is SMtv but for football and slightly dumbed down
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