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HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

just went othe car store, and bought a new car

cars ftw

Funny. I was just at the car store myself, but hatefully

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HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

There’s a dealership around here called carr suburu and I hate it because suburu is just Japanese for car so it’s called car car

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Weembles posted:

Subaru is the japanese word for the pleiades, which is why the car brand has an image of those stars as its logo.

It's not the japanese word for car.

The Japanese actually don’t have a word for the pleiades because they aren’t visible from the islands due to the curvature of the earth, but please feel free to educate me on foreign words for car

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Weembles posted:

The japanese named taxis after your mom because everyone gets to ride but they have to pay.

Ok. And?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Ham Equity posted:

Good to know it's not just me.

I suspect it may have something to do with the pandemic; most people took it pretty seriously up here, so the only people who spent a lot of time on the road were frontline workers and the worst people. So, the worst people got used to driving without cars on the road, and now they continue to do so when the traffic has come back.

Also as far as I can tell OSP/PPB/WSP have pretty much decided to stop enforcing traffic laws the entire run of I-5 fro California to Seattle and also in the entire city of Portland. The lesser offense DUI prosecutions are way down in Multnomah county because nobody has been pulling anyone over unless they’re suspected of being a gang member. The more serious dui charge (that typically comes out of wrecking rather than getting stopped) hasnt seen the same drop

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

BonHair posted:

I assume that "suspected of being a gang member" means black, right? Otherwise it sounds like car supremacy has beat white supremacy, which I'm not sure I'm ready for.

Yeah it does

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

BonHair posted:

I assume that "suspected of being a gang member" means black, right? Otherwise it sounds like car supremacy has beat white supremacy, which I'm not sure I'm ready for.

It’s actually interesting to me because it seems like a good opportunity to gauge how effective routine traffic stops are at preventing DUI related wrecks, but I don’t really have the energy to really dig in

Obviously don’t ever drink and drive, I want to make clear that I’m not implying that it might be okay to do so, but what I am curious about is whether routine enforcement actually has an impact on traffic safety and if the police are going on strike anyway it seems like a decent data set to look at. Not sure if anyone will

https://www.koin.com/news/crime/multnomah-county-da-blames-lack-of-traffic-officers-for-decreased-duii-prosecution/amp/

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

lobster shirt posted:

i'd have to imagine greater dui enforcement would have some effect at the margins but not nearly as much as giving people an actual alternative to driving. like i dont think there are a ton of drunk drivers out there doing it for the love of the game, people drive drunk because the only way to get to a drinking establishment is to drive there.

Yeah this is my thought. For starters, there’s a lot more drunk driving happening than most people probably realize, and anyone caught in a stop has probably driven drunk hundreds of times previously without any major incident, especially because drunk driving tends to be a crime of opportunity rather than something planned for. People go out intending to have one or two and end up having three or four and now they need to figure out how to get home. They’re definitely impaired and a danger to themselves and others, but not really the fall down drunk passing out levels of impairment commonly associated with drunk drivers. The problem is huge and level of impairment is a sliding scale that ranges from “probably no more impaired than someone who closed last night driving in to open today” all the way to “just how the gently caress did they get home.”

My question is given the breadth of the problem and the millions of miles people drive impaired every night, how effective is selective enforcement through things like routine traffic stops. Does it actually make a difference? If you’re buzzed you shouldn’t drive, no question, but if your buzzed and you need to get home and you’ve done it a bunch before without getting caught maybe you roll the dice and probably win, even in places with pretty heavy enforcement

Idk it’s just something I’m curious about because for all the energy spent on policing impaired driving is any of it actually effective?

I guess you don’t get the whole defense attorney and diversion program industrial complex by expanding transit, and there’s a lot of money being made there. My brother had a dui ~10 years ago and it cost him around $5k I think

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

cars are pretty ftw

This mfer wants to gently caress a car

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Ringo Roadagain posted:

more fun to ride a bike

It’s not wrong to try and ride a bike on a Saturday evening, sure, but Monday through Friday we’re all sleeping with a car

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Epic High Five posted:

Police chases are something a lot of countries have stopped permitted specifically because it results in far more people being killed than saved even in theory, so of course it's part of our culture here

Washington state created some strict limits on chases, which led to police throughout the state crying that the new standards would prevent them from pursuing a hypothetical kidnapping, and nobody really asked them “aren’t you just going to chase when you want to anyway and let lawyers figure it out after the fact because lmao at accountability,” and then the legislature is now considering legislation to weaken the increased standards

I’m glad I didn’t watch that video based on descriptions- just holy poo poo

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

going to take a big poo poo in the middle of the bike lanes

Aren’t you seattle? You’re probably gonna have to wait in line

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

AiT driving to the store

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Funny anecdote for the car hate thread or the lmao at police thread but we don’t have one of those. Was jogging and entered an intersection and had to cold stop when I realized the pretty new looking Lexus approaching wasn’t going to stop behind the stop sign. They did stop, abruptly, like halfway into the intersection, but I think it’s because they realized a police cruiser was right behind them.

Anyway they turned left and the cruiser went straight.

Lmao countless pages of ink spilled lately on pedestrian deaths being through the roof but the solution is clearly sweeping homeless encampments and not enforcing basic traffic laws :)

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

BonHair posted:

Over here, it's a standard question on insurance policies if you ride motorcycles. If you do, your premium goes way the gently caress up. Motorcycles are not particularly safe, and most of their riders are into thrills.

On the other hand, I should probably get a discount on my policy for not having a car? Or the other way round cause I'm less protected when a car drives into me?

You carry a policy without owning a car? Can’t be too expensive I figure because you really would just need uninsured/underinsured coverage right?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Electro-Boogie Jack posted:

driver who killed three people in dc a week or two back had more than $10k in speeding tickets over the last year

there's just no mechanism to automatically kick in and say 'huh, looks like this car and anyone who drives it and any other cars they own need to be taken off the road right now,' no agency has that responsibility and so he just gets to keep zooming around town until he hits another car and kills everyone in it

Idk how it is in DC but every state I’ve ever lived in has points for moving violations and if you rack up too many in a certain period (in Oregon I think they drop off after three years) they suspend your license

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

SimonSays posted:

It's killing me that of all the scenarios he could dream up for his defense of trucking, he picks the one that can literally walk itself to its destination.

Wait, do you think they slaughter the cattle at the butcher shop?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

lobster shirt posted:

i used to know someone who told me that her dad lost an eye while walking because an icicle fell off a building and landed, uh, in his eye. sounds painful. no cars involved.

It’s a locked room murder mystery come to life

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

might buy another truck

You should consider an f450 so you can tow your smaller truck for use in case there’s a compact car spot next to the door at the store

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

BeeSeeBee posted:

Cars! Cars! Cars! :argh:


They’re kissing :)

:blush::love::love::kimchi:

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

that's true, e.pilot should have edited that video so that the tire is a red shell from Mario

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

I don’t really care one way or another about car crash videos and while I think they’re qualitatively different than war porn it’s for the community to decide. That said, I find it hilarious how well AiT has wrapped NHD around his finger and it’s really funny to watch the worlds most credulous mod puppeted like that. Idk, it’s pretty funny imo at least

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

lobster shirt posted:

the cars movies are loving weird because they take place on earth. where did all the people go!

The franchise is a spiritual sequel to Maximum Overdrive

Also AiT is fine and at worst can be slightly annoying at best is pretty funny

He’d be entirely fine if a specific mod were slightly less dog brained

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Drunk driving is something that very few people are really ready to address just how common it is and just how ineffectual the criminal justice system is of handling.

For one, it’s a crime of poor judgment rather than malicious intent. Almost nobody thinks “I’m gonna go crash” so much as they misjudge how impaired they are or alternatively they get more impaired than they intended to and find themselves making the bad decision to roll the dice

For another, it’s incredibly common. For every person pulled over for drunk driving they’ve successfully made it home impaired dozens of not hundreds of times. Similarly with wrecks. They roll the dice until their luck runs out. And the statistics of wrecks and arrests won’t tell you with any certainty the breadth of the problem, because for every drunk driver caught there are a dozen or more who have never been caught

Yet another is that it’s a crime that cuts across all demographics, racial and ethnic, rich and poor, gender, etc… and so there’s no majoritarian impulse to crack down hard

Again it’s not a crime where people intend to get caught, often they don’t weigh the penalties

I don’t know the answer. I don’t drive if I drink, ever, but I also live in the middle of a city and have plenty of options including if push comes to shove walking home

I do know the current selective enforcement doesn’t work. I don’t know how to fix that. In fact, the current system to me seems almost like a legal fee and diversion fee and court fee industrial complex that doesn’t improve outcomes so much as funneling money into the hands of lawyers and diversion program managers

I don’t know except to say it’s hosed up

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Cuttlefush posted:

he got bit by a car and transformed into one

There was a cartoon on USA network about this when I was really little. I think maybe if he got wet he turned into a racecar. Weird poo poo

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Real hurthling! posted:

hot if he got hot, like in the shower

Oh yeah. And cold water made him human again I think right?

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

I thought I loved cars until I married one. I loving hate cars now

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

spacemang_spliff posted:

the last time I talked to my mom she out of nowhere was like "I hope MTG dies lol"

Lol my mom lives in her district and the things she says about that woman would probably justify a civil commitment

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

I went to the store yesterday to buy a bunch of 4x4s and 2x8s to build some raised garden beds. Obviously I rode my bicycle and the bus

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Fitzy Fitz posted:

i hate lawns

They really are the dumbest poo poo

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Related? https://twitter.com/KOINNews/status/1651290070974857237?cxt=HHwWqoCw2cLkx-otAAAA

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

A fleet of electric hummers through out the city.

Yeah it’s beautiful in it’s absurdity

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

sat on my keys! posted:

There are multiple Targets in parts of NYC you can drive to, and people do. Is this lady one of those people who refuse to ever leave Manhattan?

Where I live they put a couple of this tiny targets on the sites of old bowling alleys. Spent a ton of money excavating underground parking because the lots had old bowling alley sized parking lots. I imagine they did similar even in Manhattan

Totally unrelated except maybe indicative of car culture, but when I was a kid I thought it was impossible for there to be grocery stores in New York City, because my kid growing up in the western US mindset couldn’t imagine a grocery store without acres of parking lots around it, and also Manhattan was my mental vision of what NYC was like. To the point I called my manhattan dwelling uncle a liar for trying to correct my misconception

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, it is impressive to watch large parts of American actively go in the wrong direction. Portland only had beg buttons in a few areas around downtown, and then within months had put them literally everywhere, including into small residential streets.

I actually like the beg buttons around Portland and will shift my walking/jogging route to cross at them. They’re usually pretty quick and it’s nice to cross busy streets without wondering if drivers are going to stop to let me cross. I get that they’re car centric but I’m not particularly hot on getting smashed by a Tesla so I like them regardless

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Ardennes posted:

You can still have protected crossings at intersections without them, it really wasn't a big deal before 2020. Drivers don't really care if you just push a button or not as long as it is red. Beg buttons at mid-block crosswalks are a bit of a different issue, and the only way they can really work.

Stark has a bunch of them, for example, and it isn't really a street that needs them, it isn't a thoroughfare in any real sense. Portland just isn't cut out to be a big city, and you can tell it is really suffering for it. The entire new BRT route was pretty underwhelming. I get it was planned pre-pandemic but it just isn't really what the city needs.

When I lived in kerns I used to cross burnside at 22nd on a daily basis and I can’t tell you the number of times I was almost hit. A woman I knew on a hello/handwave basis (not even by name, just saw her walking around) was killed at that one a few years ago. I eventually changed my route to cross up at 32nd to use the pedestrian signal. Yeah sure stark doesn’t need them, and there’s one up where I live now on 15th and shaver that makes no sense at all. But crossing streets in this town can be dangerous. Idk. They’re imperfect but the thing about Portland is a lot of the main arterial streets (burnside/stark/division/Fremont/etc…) are also just residential/neighborhood streets that people drive way too loving fast on. And when you mix that with the fact that most but not all drivers will stop to let pedestrians cross at unsignaled crossings (whereas in say Atlanta nobody is gonna stop and you just need to find a signaled crossing) is a recipe for bad outcomes

Idk I’m willing to be convinced they’re a bad idea but my experience with them has been positive

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

mawarannahr posted:

it may help to explain that the picnic park concept is a type of eatery called "kendin pişir kendin ye." this means "cook yourself eat yourself":

Culinary ouroboros

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Ardennes posted:

Well you can have signaled crossings without buttons, though, just put them on a timer, most of them were on a timer until a couple years ago. The issue is the beg buttons themselves, where you have to request that signal rather than it just being trigged automatically. It usually better for a cars because they don't have to wait for that signal, but it is more alienating for pedestrians, especially if they hide the signal (Portland seems to love to do this). Admittedly, it is probably defensible still on Burnside/MLK/Powell/Sandy, they have enough traffic, but I don't know about Stark or even Hawthorn.

To me, it is just part and parcel of how Portland has actually made things more alienating for pedestrians, along with the greatly declining safety situation and poor lighting (they even took a bunch of lights out of the parks now...fantastic). I get sort of a late Soviet feeling from Portland, like there is creative destruction going on in it. I don't think biking has improved that much either and biking projects have really slowed down over the years compared to the plans from the 2010s. It is a biking city that doesn't give a poo poo about bikes.

A lot of it is Wheeler, but also the City Council and the rest of the political apparatus that really want to bring the city back to the 1950s. At least some streets remained closed/at lower speeds from the pandemic but they are usually in richer neighborhoods in the SW.

Lol wheeler isn’t even close to the worst guy on the current council, which is really saying something

But yeah you hit the nail on the head, current political leadership in this city is hardcore conservatives who speak in the language of social justice while enacting increasingly retrograde policy

Biking is actually flat/down here post pandemic. My anecdotal experience is that traffic is generally lighter and hasn’t rebounded except on the interstates and freeways, so that probably has something to do with it

Still no amount of traffic calming or pedestrian crossings seem to do anything about people getting run down by cars, especially out past 82nd

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Tendales posted:

If your dog is big enough,you don't need a car for transportation.

Place I lived before my current spot was right across the street from a middle school with a giant fenced field. It was awesome because when school was out (for summer, for Covid, evenings, etc) we could just open the front door and let the dogs run out and play

Current spot isn’t far from a dog park (five minute walk maybe) but you have to cross a really busy street so the pups have to be leashed :(

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Fitzy Fitz posted:

I saw a billboard yesterday that said drivers are legally required to stop for pedestrians at crosswalks, which is interesting because I know lots of people think it's only for pedestrians in crosswalks. I was honestly unsure which was correct because the legal language is intentionally vague.

My favorite is when I’m jogging and a car will stop to let me cross and the car behind it will serve into the oncoming traffic lane to try and hit me

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HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

McCracAttack posted:

But if we made it easier to walk or take the bus to the store that would just encourage more drinking. Best not do anything.

Edit: This reminds me of how my state used to ban alcohol sales on Sunday. This meant all the bars had to kick everyone out at midnight on Saturday which was also when the buses stopped running. So naturally the police were there waiting to bust people for... being drunk in public if they tried to walk home. I think they were supposed to go nab the drunk drivers but they figured out it was quicker to scoop up people on foot.

I went to college in South Carolina where they had this law too. I hat was funnier is you couldn’t buy alcohol at the store on sundays, but bars/restaurants were allowed to open normally (and at least in Columbia they could stay open til whenever except Saturday night when there was the mandatory midnight close

That state had lots of weird booze laws. No free pour for liquor, it all had to come from airplane mini bottles

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