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if you stop bringing up "fanty" every time anyone talks about qbs i will talk to my friend about moving your qb up a couple of spots. no promises
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Cavauro posted:Commenting on the rankings. NOT an argument. Simple comments. Yeah, agreed.
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Aug 9, 2021 19:46
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Dak is just Blake Bortles with weapons.
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MrLogan posted:I'd like to remind people that both Dak and Stafford suck. Garbage time stats that make you good in fanty don't make you a good NFL QB. I know its bad-faith, "I don't have any idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to say it anyway." hot take nonsense, but its a useful place to point out that the 'Garbage Time' narrative is stupid, and particularly false in Dak Prescott's case. First, the idea that "garbage time" exists because defenses stop trying to play defense at some point in the game is ridiculous. In fact, when teams are down by a significant margin, Defenses shift to much heavier pass defense sets - its More difficult to pass the ball in "garbage time." Regardless, Dak's performance has been essentially the same at any quarter, with any point margin. See, 2020: QB Rate by Quarter 1st - 98.3 2nd - 111.5 3rd - 101.9 4th - 91.6 QB Rate by Lead/Deficit: Ahead - 78 down by one score - 96.4 down by two scores or more - 105.6 dak had 222 attempts for 1,800 yards in the 5 games he played - only 34 of those passes came in the last 2 minutes of any half - even less so during True "Garbage Time" Its just flat stupid to claim Dak's stats are from 'garbage time'. No Offense.
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Based on those numbers Dak really seems to underperform in the 4th quarter aka 'money time'.
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Dak Prescott lost his starting job last year to Andy Dalton so honestly he should be ranked much lower
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a neat cape posted:It would depend on how he played all season. The playoffs are a very limited sample size. If he plays well all season then he can probably approach the top 10. What do you think would have to happen for Herbert to be moved outside top 10
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availability is a skill and Dak didn't have it in 2020 ergo vis a vis he sucks rear end
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Another reason Dak is a Top 5 QB: If 'Clutch' Exists, he's Clutch. Through the first four years of his career, Dak Prescott had The Most Game Winning Drives in the NFL - 15. In his career, with the game on the line in the 4th quarter (within 1 score either way) Dak has a QB Rate of Nearly 110
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Based on those numbers Dak really seems to underperform in the 4th quarter aka 'money time'. Also wrong, see above
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Wow dak is great, he’s won so many playoffs game and multiple supers bowl in his time in the league
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Metapod posted:What do you think would have to happen for Herbert to be moved outside top 10 Show more of what his Oregon tape showed. More picks, bad decision making, etc.
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Anyone who says garbage time doesn't exist is a nerd who should be shunned
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a neat cape posted:Show more of what his Oregon tape showed. More picks, bad decision making, etc. I find it tough to believe he will start making worse decisions but interception rng is always there
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blarzgh posted:Another reason Dak is a Top 5 QB: If 'Clutch' Exists, he's Clutch. The fact that he's in so many game-winning drives, and your above stats where he's terrible with a lead and good with a big defecit, imply to me that he's actually anti-clutch and thrives the most when he's losing, a situation he's very used to. It's the same argument that's been made for Stafford his whole career, another middling career QB e- also this is an almost textbook definition of survivorship bias. He's completed 15 game winning drives, but how many times has he failed in a potentially game-winning drive? GNU Order fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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sweet thursday posted:Anyone who says garbage time doesn't exist is a nerd who should be shunned it’s definable whenever dak Prescott is on the field because he is a garbage qb
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a patagonian cavy posted:it’s definable whenever dak Prescott is on the field because he is a garbage qb I think he's #10.
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Dak sucks so bad even his foot tried to run away from him.
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I think tannehill is better than Dak for sure but it’s a minor quibble.
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blarzgh posted:I know its bad-faith, "I don't have any idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to say it anyway." hot take nonsense, but its a useful place to point out that the 'Garbage Time' narrative is stupid, and particularly false in Dak Prescott's case. QBR is a garbage stat.
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I was going to say Dalton is too high, but then I looked at the names under him...and I guess not.
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I really didn't see this thread going to the direction of the Dak Stan Fan
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Dak should be ranked lower due to all the advanced stats needed to show that he's good, actually
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kiimo posted:I really didn't see this thread going to the direction of the Dak Stan Fan Well Mr. Nice told me about it, so it's his fault
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GNU Order posted:The fact that he's in so many game-winning drives, and your above stats where he's terrible with a lead and good with a big defecit, imply to me that he's actually anti-clutch and thrives the most when he's losing, a situation he's very used to. It's the same argument that's been made for Stafford his whole career, another middling career QB "Bill Barnwell laid this out for ESPN in June, framing it as a comparison between Prescott, Carson Wentz, and Jared Goff: In the fourth quarter and overtime, when the game has been within eight points, Prescott has been excellent; he has the league’s ninth-best passer rating (104.8) and third-best QBR (79.2) when the game is late and within one score. ... Prescott also has the best winning percentage in games decided by eight points or fewer at 19-13, " https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29247938/debunking-dak-prescott-contract-debate-facts-fiction-why-cowboys-pay-him
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I actually like Dak but I'm still laughing at someone being mad that JOSH ALLEN was ranked higher than him.
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Chucktesla posted:Dak should be ranked lower due to all the advanced stats needed to show that he's good, actually
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You can blame Dak's close games on him not playing well, which doesn't stand up to scrutiny, because, as shown above, he's performed excellently in the first second and third quarters. Or, you could blame the games always being close on the fact that most games in the NFL are closed games. Or, you could blame it on the fact that Dallas has generally had a garbage defense for the last 5 years, how many times you score on the other team comes back and scores again. Or on the fact that until last season he played under the one of the most conservative head coaches in football, and Jason Garrett, who routinely ran the ball over and over and over again with a lead, no matter how small it was, to slow down the game and drive up time of position
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blarzgh posted:"Bill Barnwell laid this out for ESPN in June, framing it as a comparison between Prescott, Carson Wentz, and Jared Goff: Sounds like the tenth best quarterback in the league to me
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kiimo posted:I actually like Dak but I'm still laughing at someone being mad that JOSH ALLEN was ranked higher than him. I AM mad, and also a bit incredulous, but I get that it's mostly general anti-dallas bias and recency bias of Josh Allen's first year more than hyper objective review of Dak Prescott's career thus far
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Chucktesla posted:Dak should be ranked lower due to all the advanced stats needed to show that he's good, actually
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I was far more committed to spreading the gospel before he got his contract, but now that he got paid it's a less compelling endeavor
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I think Dak at #10 is fair
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I agree.
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Chucktesla posted:Dak should be ranked lower due to all the advanced stats needed to show that he's good, actually Would you prefer more traditional metrics, like how his 40 wins through his first four seasons are the 5th most by any QB in history?
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I can't loving believe this motherfucker used last season to make his rankings
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I encourage you to keep arguing for Dak and wish you luck but please stop hollerin about recency bias in a sport where almost retires of brain injuries by age 24. What a player has done before like two years ago doesn't matter at all given the constant churn of players and staff in the league
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Garbage time is real and it starts right after #9 on that list
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Football is a what-have-you-done-for-me lately sport and when I watched a lot of Cowboys games last year, let me tell you I didn't exactly see Dak Prescott leading his team to victory by hook or by crook and establishing himself as a starter in the National Football League. Quite honestly, he didn't even show up - and I think that's a problem.
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Jared Lorenzen should be #1 on every list.
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