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I recognize zizek, cenk, and varg oh no who are the rest
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Aug 24, 2021 12:01
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Punishment must be doled out for inflicting this on us
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Aug 24, 2021 13:10
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the source of zizek’s power is his self-awareness, he knows that he’s a fool and leans into it, unlike all the other clowns out there fronting and demanding to be treated with special gravitas
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Aug 24, 2021 21:07
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I would say my only real issue with Zizek (probably more than anything because of timing) is him having to couch what he is trying to say in Lacan or post-modern absurdism rather than just spit it out. He lets his actual views slip but it is always a game of him being "provocative" then walking it back into the safety of post-modernism. I mean I get it, he wants to sell books and exist within the acceptable boundaries of Western media, but it would be great if he could spit it out. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 00:02 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Aug 25, 2021 00:00
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Ardennes posted:I would say my only real issue with Zizek (probably more than anything because of timing) is him having to couch what he is trying to say in Lacan or post-modern absurdism rather than just spit it out. He lets his actual views slip but it is always a game of him being "provocative" then walking it back into the safety of post-modernism. sure this is true to a degree but i find this to be the frustration of people not understanding there's no direct way to some of the more difficult understanding and i don't mean in the sense of obscurantist bullshit, i mean you have to do it, this is why he tells stories, to engage and provoke, it's to grease the wheels but you have to get end yourself when we're talking about thinking about thinking. or to put it in the hands of a different master https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8
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Aug 25, 2021 03:30
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He's the best public intellectual we have. Depending on your outlook that could mean he's not much better than dogshit or that he is the next messiah.
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Aug 25, 2021 11:23
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is eating two hotdogs at once dialectics?
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Aug 25, 2021 11:25
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zizek is right that we need to stop saying "all cultures are beautiful" and start saying "all cultures are garbage" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIeZZ3vNsvM
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Aug 25, 2021 12:32
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Brain Candy posted:sure this is true to a degree but i find this to be the frustration of people not understanding there's no direct way to some of the more difficult understanding I don't have the problem with the jokes/stories it is when he pulls back from his implied conclusions that it gets annoying. I think a lot of it is just that post-modernism just like social democracy was a situational outcome. That said, more recently he has been much more open in his views (sorry for the horrific title still): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWP312aHKSQ Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:54 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Aug 25, 2021 13:32
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yeah the videos where zizek trashes libs always seem to be marketed towards chuds
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Aug 25, 2021 13:40
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ELTON JOHN posted:zizek is right that we need to stop saying "all cultures are beautiful" and start saying "all cultures are garbage" You know it's going to be a great video when video has 20-30 Zizek sniffing sounds in the beginning. Somebody introduce this brother to Claritin
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Aug 25, 2021 13:42
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apparently it's a nervous tic
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Aug 25, 2021 13:44
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Aug 25, 2021 14:16
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Brain Candy posted:sure this is true to a degree but i find this to be the frustration of people not understanding there's no direct way to some of the more difficult understanding Yeah this is the cycle Zizek always gets stuck in. In his academic works he gets accused of using complicated language to obscure the fact that he isn't really saying anything at all, because if you don't have at least a good foundation of Lacan and a basic understanding of Hegel and Marx you'll never make sense of of his work. So then when he makes public appearances he dumbs it down and uses jokes and pop culture to make it relatable, but then he gets accused of being an unserious clown who just wants to navel gaze about Transformer movies or whatever.
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Aug 25, 2021 19:05
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Also he's explicitly a modernist. He's only a post-modernist in the stupid right wing use of the term as in "he talks about things using big words I don't understand".
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Aug 25, 2021 19:07
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etalian posted:You know it's going to be a great video when video has 20-30 Zizek sniffing sounds in the beginning. he also pulls at his shirt, I think it's a tic.
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Aug 25, 2021 19:11
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Aug 25, 2021 19:18
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Brain Candy posted:sure this is true to a degree but i find this to be the frustration of people not understanding there's no direct way to some of the more difficult understanding God drat! gently caress the first 30 seconds of that loving video! Older engineers are loving weird, and that is why their politics are all hosed up. Bertrand Russel told people "don't become philosophers become engineers." So all that philosophy bullshit leaked into engineering and the sciences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM That is the poo poo the drove Wittgenstein to say that philosophy should help people or "let the fly out of the jar."
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Aug 25, 2021 19:24
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:God drat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM&t=107s that big pile of labels you linked is much less insightful than you seem to think it is
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Aug 25, 2021 19:43
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Aug 25, 2021 19:43
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Brain Candy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM&t=107s You're right that section of the video was big pile of labels. What is electrical charge? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvX29HPmBEI
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Aug 25, 2021 19:51
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:You're right that section of the video was big pile of labels. a miserable pile of fields! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvX29HPmBEI&t=180s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8&t=368s
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And it sucks that the person watching Richard Feynman has to go through a few language games at the beginning of the video to actually get to the meat of it. It's 2021. Give me that good poo poo 20 seconds ago. But philosophy's obnoxious question asking leaked into the sciences and engineering. When it can be much more blunt. That's why Dawksons, Neil Degrasse Tyson, god particles, and the pale blue dot, became the punching bag of the religious right. When those Religious, motha-fukkas should be been studying Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine. edit: oh it.s 2021 mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 21:13 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Critical leftists have hitherto only dirtied with dust the balls of those in power. The point is, to cut them off.
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Trabisnikof posted:Critical leftists have hitherto only dirtied with dust the balls of those in power. The point is, to cut them off. https://youtu.be/80X0pbCV_t4
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is pepsi ok posted:Yeah this is the cycle Zizek always gets stuck in. In his academic works he gets accused of using complicated language to obscure the fact that he isn't really saying anything at all, because if you don't have at least a good foundation of Lacan and a basic understanding of Hegel and Marx you'll never make sense of of his work. So then when he makes public appearances he dumbs it down and uses jokes and pop culture to make it relatable, but then he gets accused of being an unserious clown who just wants to navel gaze about Transformer movies or whatever. The issue is his politics, or rather he had to hide his politics. I would say an example is when he is talking ability the Haitian revolution, he is about to say the Polish starters to “fight for the right side” but he has to stop himself. I think it is changing but certainly it does color his conclusions. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:52 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Aug 25, 2021 22:48
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spacemang_spliff posted:he also pulls at his shirt, I think it's a tic. If I find a zizek random youtube and doesn't have that tic I feel horrible cheated for some reason.
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Ardennes posted:The issue is his politics, or rather he had to hide his politics. I would say an example is when he is talking ability the Haitian revolution, he is about to say the Polish starters to “fight for the right side” but he has to stop himself. I think it is changing but certainly it does color his conclusions. ask anwar al awlaki or his son or his daughter if hiding zizek hiding his politics was wise
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Brain Candy posted:ask anwar al awlaki or his son or his daughter if hiding zizek hiding his politics was wise Granted, isn't that the issue? My point isn't that his humor or stories are a problem in themselves or you should try to explain ideas in different ways to different audiences due to complexity, the issue is he is fearful for openly stating them first place. It is why I believe it is hopeful that he is being more open in his views because that fear is subsiding (for fairly concrete reasons). It is why philosophy, political economy, geopolitics etc etc are all interrelated because power can push its way to reach the heart of any matter. It is now just that the West is losing its grip and every bump in Chinese GDP reframes the situation. (To be fair, I don't think Zizek's actual ideas are post modern, but he has at times had to cloak his view in a form of faux discourse. Like when he was talking about Stalin, he started fairly open in his views and then had to retreat when he felt overextended. I get why he is doing it but is worth commenting on.) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 00:42 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:God drat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GyVx28R9-s
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Aug 26, 2021 04:37
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Ardennes posted:I would say my only real issue with Zizek (probably more than anything because of timing) is him having to couch what he is trying to say in Lacan or post-modern absurdism rather than just spit it out. He lets his actual views slip but it is always a game of him being "provocative" then walking it back into the safety of post-modernism. he's not a post-modernist, he's decidedly a modernist who uses pomo material against pomo itself. hence the return to Hegel and the revamped dialectics. all that poo poo is anathema to pomo sensibilities. he may be coquettish in his lighter pop stuff but he really doesn't gently caress around in the big theory tomes. there's some wild heretical poo poo in there. all that being said his heyday is over and his students have surpassed him in his own terrain. after sex and the failed absolute i don't think he has much more to say. I'd love to see him take on laruelle tho
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splifyphus posted:he's not a post-modernist, he's decidedly a modernist who uses pomo material against pomo itself. hence the return to Hegel and the revamped dialectics. all that poo poo is anathema to pomo sensibilities. he may be coquettish in his lighter pop stuff but he really doesn't gently caress around in the big theory tomes. there's some wild heretical poo poo in there. Who is a student that has surpassed him?
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Aug 26, 2021 13:44
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net work error posted:Who is a student that has surpassed him? Goku
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Aug 26, 2021 14:19
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yellowcar posted:yeah as far as modern US presidents go, trump was pretty average lol What Trump did that any republican president wouldn't have done?
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Aug 26, 2021 14:27
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Fish of hemp posted:What Trump did that any republican president wouldn't have done? mostly the funny poo poo like making fun of McCain
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it’s a pity chomsky is too decrepit to get slayed on stage peterson style
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net work error posted:Who is a student that has surpassed him? I don't know of any students I can point to, but the Lacanians like Todd McGowan and Joan Kopjec seem to be moving on without him. Fwiw I still think his fundamental project of reading Hegel through Lacan is the correct one. In a way I see it as finishing the work that Marx started. Marx took Hegel's theory of history and the dialectic and gave them materialist reinterpretations, but he left it there since those were the only parts he saw as being useful for his project of proletarian revolution. Zizek is trying to give a materialist reinterpretation of the rest of Hegel in order to form a materialist ontology that doesn't reject idealism, but rather can incorporate it. is pepsi ok has issued a correction as of 18:56 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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is pepsi ok posted:I don't know of any students I can point to, but the Lacanians like Todd McGowan and Joan Kopjec seem to be moving on without him. who cares
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