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Smeef posted:I'm curious if there have ever been cases where foreign powers have successfully built an effective, relatively decent, self-sustaining state out of a fragile or failed state with little institutional capacity, without resorting to wiping out the local population or other crimes against humanity. Don't think you can include Japan and Germany if we're removing crimes against humanity. Terror bombings are most definitely warcrimes.
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CommieGIR posted:Some idiot British dude decided to fly to Afghanistan shortly before the fall....and now he's stuck there. This dude is going to become gleeful recruit or a corpse in a month.
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uPen posted:Love our hosed up country that even after a debacle this embarrassing there's approximately a 0% chance that a single politician will even bring up hey maybe we should spend less on the military. Think of the savings! QuoProQuid posted:if the united states did not care about human rights, it would not have spent two decades pouring money into afghanistan’s civil society, promoting the rights of women, and trying to foster a democratic society. obviously much of its work was flawed. obviously concessions were made and there were projects that wound up funneling resources into the hands of kleptocrats and shady dc consultants. but the insinuation that the entire apparatus of the us government—alongside hundreds of ngos and state partners—“never cared” and was cackling menacingly is a child’s conception of international affairs. it is a flattening of the situation to fit into a simplistic, easily digestible narrative. We cared about it insomuch as those things are very useful at preventing a client nation's puppet government from collapsing as you rob them blind. Had there been nothing to pillage we would have bounced forever ago. Sedisp fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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LostRook posted:How is promoting women's rights useful at "preventing a client nation's puppet government from collapsing as you rob them blind" because I don't see it. The more egalitarian a society the less likely it is to create eager recruits for extremist organization. Perhaps for example a religious fundamentalist organization recently deposed? And for that sweet sweet PR
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Tbh if you find yourself asking "why would the US do this uncharacteristically good thing in a foreign nation if they didn't want to do good things" you're kind of answering the question.LostRook posted:What percentage of Americans voted for Trump? Under a quarter
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Aug 17, 2021 01:03
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LostRook posted:And what percentage of Afghanistan is part of the Taliban that just conquered the country? You're arguing that joining a militant fundamentalist army is the same thing as voting for Trump. I don't know what point this false equivalence argument is trying to make could you explain
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Craptacular! posted:If only we hadn't thought about the positive virtues of oppressing women! (Sarcasm, obv.) Would it have been nice if they invaded us occupied us for twenty years looking the other way as their officers committed the exact same crimes as the organization that ruled us previously and forgot to build a functioning government during this time? It's sort of amazing how well GWB era propaganda has worked. We've successfully convinced ourselves that we were in Afghanistan for human rights reasons and not revenge against the Taliban. Sedisp fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Terebus posted:I didn't know that, but I very much agree with the decision. Are you saying that the US should release the funds to an authoritarian regime that has been constantly using any resources they get to terrorize the population they're subjugating? There are posters on this very page that criticized the US for funding some of the predecessors of the Taliban, I'm not sure how continuing to do that is a good thing. So they're not stealing it because they deserve to be stolen from???
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Terebus posted:
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Tiler Kiwi posted:we'll outrun our supply lines and stall in six months unless we win, you say? hmm hmmmm well the soviets whole rotten structure will collapse after we kick in the door, and this will happen in, ohhh, six months. Double the manpower and we'll have it in half the time! Look how many of their soldiers we're killing, yes yes we're losing a lot more tanks but that's just proof they're afraid of German steel! Gosh it's cold Sedisp fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Aug 18, 2021 09:49
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https://www.mediamatters.org/media/3964041 Go to 2:50 lol.
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Sinteres posted:Yeah not after the new Rambo gets their asses. Drag + mouseclick to select all your A10s then right click on the taliban base bing bong so simple.
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