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Raskolnikov38 posted:actually you know what book i hated more than catcher? great expectations, or really anything written by dickens. a lot of dickensian-themes are very relevant even in tyool 2021. there is very much an inherent rebellion against the landed gentry, insane working conditions and crippling poverty, and luxurious lofty-elite. its amazing though that millons of americans sit down to watch patrick stewart's christmas carol or w/e and then go "eviction ban? VERY ILLEGAL! what about the landlords??" every year. ultimately marx went way further and way better with the same observations that dickens was making.
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A Tale or Two Cities inspired The Dark Knight Rises haha
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Aug 17, 2021 22:57
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now if you want to talk bad books, every single one of the Bostonian Book Club elite writing transcendentalism / nouveau-romantic americana literature is horrible.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:57
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Probably Magic posted:I made the mistake of trying to read Moby Dick in middle school and my brain went on autopilot as soon as Ishmael and Queequeg actually got out to sea. I really enjoyed the Ishmael and Queequeg parts a lot though, I could read an entire book of them hanging out in a port. My favorite part is when Ishmael and Queequeg get hired onto the Pequod. The owners offer Ishmael basically pennies. Then Queequeg, tattoos all over his face, walks up. "I suspect thee art not a Christian. Dost thee attend church on Sundays? Dost thou know and obey the ten commandments?" Then Queequeg scoffs, eyes a barrel with a mark on it some hundred yards away, and throws his harpoon perfectly at that mark. The Quaker owner of the ship is stunned into falling onto his seat. "Good Lord, man! Take the pen, make thy mark, we shall give you a sixtieth part of our profits from this entire voyage!" Queequeg signs his name with a drawing of a whale. 
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Aug 17, 2021 22:59
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a bunch of preppy rear end elite motherfucker yeoman-farmer wanna-bes writing a bunch of garbage about the inherent natural human state of being individualists
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Aug 17, 2021 23:00
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i shall live by myself in the wilderness! *actually lives in a shack within walking distance of town, which I rely on for supplies*
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Aug 17, 2021 23:04
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thoreau's mom did his laundry
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Aug 17, 2021 23:07
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Maximo Roboto posted:A Tale or Two Cities inspired The Dark Knight Rises haha Dickens is basically a radlib who can't quite say capitalism itself is the problem and is really concerned about the
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Aug 17, 2021 23:08
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english literature has been a bust, all the good works of fiction i had in high school were of non-english origins
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Aug 17, 2021 23:08
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I wanna read William James because he was high on laughing gas all the time
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Aug 17, 2021 23:09
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Oliver Twist was my favorite book for awhile, not sure I love this Dickens slander. (It admittedly has some, uh, problems especially when it comes to Jewish representation.) Honestly most of the good poo poo I liked like Turn of the Screw I read myself, assigned reading was generally pretty bleh.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:09
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Nix Panicus posted:A Vonnegut book should be required reading for every American. Just pick one. But I think most of them have a few too many juvenile references to get past school board puritans, or at least when I went to school lol. /teacher assigns slaughterhouse 5 to students "teacher what's a 'seminiferous tubule'?"
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Aug 17, 2021 23:12
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StashAugustine posted:Dickens is basically a radlib
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Aug 17, 2021 23:21
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im gonna try to remember all the books we were assigned in high school great expectations romeo and juliet the odyessy (dear god i have been assigned this book like 5 times) night gwain and the greenknight some sort play set in africa, cant remember anything else about it theban plays lord of the files catcher in the rye macbeth of mice and men the things they carried all quiet on the western front house of spirits scarlet letter walden the crucible death of a salesman chronicle of a death foretold great gatsby crime and punishment perfume hamlet beloved things fall apart pride and prejudice streetcar named desire
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Aug 17, 2021 23:39
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can they make "combat liberalism" required reading in schools
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Aug 17, 2021 23:41
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Raskolnikov38 posted:english literature has been a bust, all the good works of fiction i had in high school were of non-english origins Im just gonna say Vonnegut over and over again
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Aug 17, 2021 23:43
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Xaris posted:death of the author movement is terrible That's because everybody screws up explaining what is it to make themselves look smart. It's super simple to understand. A person writes a book. Then 100 critics write articles on that book The author writes their on critique on the book. The author's critique is not more important than any other critique just because the author wrote it. It's hard to understand this because people can create a lot meaning with words, so author's criticism look smarter than they actually are. So here is the same example using music. A stupid loving kid is banging on the piano. The stupid loving kid hits the C-E-G notes making a perfect C chord. and the kids likes it. The hits the notes again and again. Somebody walks by and asks the kid, why are you hitting those notes. the kid goes "I don't know, I like how it sounds." But then two people walk up. One explains how wavelengths mixes in the ear hairs to create an enjoyable sound. The other talks about the history of the piano and how the building of this instrument made it easier for the kid to play those three notes. While most authors are loving morons who are average at making stores intuitively. mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 23:48 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Aug 17, 2021 23:43
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Nix Panicus posted:Im just gonna say Vonnegut over and over again vonnegut's real good but also pynchon is real good too and extremely leftist; and a guy who was in the eye of the abyss and was horrified by it and the extreme evil of post-war america. maybe the two best post-war american authors.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:47
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Spergin Morlock posted:lol. Its a shame because the juxtaposition of horror and dick jokes is exactly the kind of thing a high schooler would get Raskolnikov38 posted:macbeth Macbeth is my all time favorite Shakespeare work. I love that the thing that does him in is having a moment of mercy after a long and bloody climb to the top he didn't even really want to begin with. Once you start you can never stop.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:48
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i thought catcher was badass when i was a teen and also atlas shrugged lol. owned.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:50
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catch 22 was one of the assigned books in my high school but it didn't seem like something that would be very appealing to high school kids
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Aug 17, 2021 23:52
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I ditched at least a solid month of senior year English to play video games and read catch-22
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Aug 17, 2021 23:54
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I really enjoyed The Great Gatsby, which rules, and I think it's by far the standout of the books I had to read in school. we had to read Ethan Frome and most of the kids couldn't get over the pickles and donuts? scene and our teachers subsequent discussion of sexual imagery in novels we were NOT mature enough to engage with. but then there's a playhouse in my hometown and one of the guys came in to do Macbeth with us as a community outreach thing and taught us stage fighting and line delivery and that loving rocked.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:55
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What was cool in freshman English is we got assigned Hiroshima, probably due to it being the height of the Iraq War, so got to learn all sorts of gory details about people's skin coming off from the bomb and the like. Also A Separate Peace, which was way less good, just a by-the-numbers coming of age book. Watching Prime of Miss Jean Brodie with my mom was the better WW2 coming of age media experience to be honest.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:56
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oh and the only two books in all of school I didn't read were The Scarlett Letter, gently caress that book and its prose, and The Beach, which I didn't read cause I had gotten into college already by then but maybe should revisit
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my favorite thing about macbeth was watching some movie a shakespearen troupe made of it. when macduff's son gets stabbed he stumbles over to his mother, goes "mother....they've killed me" and when she embraces him only then does the bloodpack get going, so it looks like she squeezed him until he bled
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Aug 17, 2021 23:58
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:That's because everybody screws up explaining what is it to make themselves look smart.
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MacBeth was my favorite Shakespeare play for a long time because it's easily the most Halloween-y one with all the ghosts and witches. I like King Lear a little more these days because it's about everyone getting owned by their hubris, and that's very relatable these days.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:01
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Casey Finnigan posted:catch 22 was one of the assigned books in my high school but it didn't seem like something that would be very appealing to high school kids I read Catch-22 on my own in high school. I think the idea of an authoritarian system with arbitrary rules designed to gently caress with you would make a lot of sense to high schoolers, but I have no idea how you turn that into a lesson plan. Jon Irenicus posted:oh and the only two books in all of school I didn't read were The Scarlett Letter, gently caress that book and its prose, and The Beach, which I didn't read cause I had gotten into college already by then but maybe should revisit I distinctly recall feeling the Scarlet Letter was overhyped bullshit when it was on my required reading list.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:04
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Jon Irenicus posted:oh and the only two books in all of school I didn't read were The Scarlett Letter, gently caress that book and its prose, and The Beach, which I didn't read cause I had gotten into college already by then but maybe should revisit yea the scarlet letter was an absolute slog. i was assigned it over the summer between 9th and 10th grade and made the mistake of not starting until the saturday before classes started again on monday. that saturday and sunday SUCKED
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Aug 18, 2021 00:05
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Nix Panicus posted:I distinctly recall feeling the Scarlet Letter was overhyped bullshit when it was on my required reading list. hathaniel nawthorne sucks rear end so it's true perhaps unfairly but i lump him in with all the Bostonian Book Club elite transcendentalist dipshits
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Aug 18, 2021 00:06
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dunno if this was common but my high school did a load of plays, and I know the English dept. now does a lot of plays with the Theater dept. and newer YA fiction until sophomore year so in some senses the traditional classics might be lessened until you get to the IB/AP classes
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Aug 18, 2021 00:10
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probably just stop with beowulf, it's all garbage after that
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Aug 18, 2021 00:13
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I remember hating the idea of literary analysis and the teacher who taught it with such a fiery passion that I dedicated my big junior year literary research and analysis paper to relentless mocking the concept. It was like a quarter of my grade but I decided to explicitly antagonize the teacher, picked Alice in Wonderland as my book, and then wrote about every single hosed up Freudian interpretation while extensively documenting Charles Dodgson's pedophilia. My final conclusion was that academic critique destroyed the value of the thing being critiqued for no real gain in meaning. In a hilarious twist they changed grading practices that year and research papers were assigned to the english department as a whole to grade, so the teacher who I mutually loathed didn't get to grade it and I ended up getting an A, despite failing grades on literally every previous draft.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:13
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I think you people are confused. The point of school isn’t about learning anything, it is about learning performing menial tasks leads to not being punished.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:15
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Elephanthead posted:I think you people are confused. The point of school isn’t about learning anything, it is about learning performing menial tasks leads to not being punished. sky is blue update: i'm afraid to say my sky is actually orange and grey because my state is on fire. so.... interpret this as you will 
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Elephanthead posted:I think you people are confused. The point of school isn’t about learning anything, it is about learning performing menial tasks leads to not being punished. its actually to learn how to smoke weed behind the athletic shed and make fun of your lessers and cultivate a following of your own in order to boost your own social standing. very simple
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Aug 18, 2021 00:19
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high school book i loved well its called cannery row and its about some based rear end mfs up round monterey
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Nix Panicus posted:My final conclusion was that academic critique destroyed the value of the thing being critiqued for no real gain in meaning. In a hilarious twist they changed grading practices that year and research papers were assigned to the english department as a whole to grade, so the teacher who I mutually loathed didn't get to grade it and I ended up getting an A, despite failing grades on literally every previous draft. deconstruct my rectum tia
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