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Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

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BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



solomio?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Boku no Tsuma wa Kanjou ga Nai is het, but I most certainly appreciated this little bit of WLW representation. :3:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
If you want some down to earth trans masc manga I'll plug Boys Run the Riot until someone notices. A closeted trans dude teams up with a wholesome delinquent himbo and a nerd to start a streetware brand.

There doesn't seem to be a scanlation beyond the first chapter or so, but it's officially out in English and getting regular updates.

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Didn't this thread have a different tag? Having the same tag as it means I always get it confused with the romance one.


Not a huge issue, I guess.

Aurora posted:

wait why is the other thread disappeared

Fresh start since some of the stuff Wark allowed was a bit over the line.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

The old thread's still in the forums and it definitely has the same tag.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
It was bee's decision, it had nothing to do with that and implying that the old thread was closed for that reason is creepy imo.

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Snooze Cruise posted:

It was bee's decision, it had nothing to do with that and implying that the old thread was closed for that reason is creepy imo.

Could just be a coincidence then, I'd asked Julias about having clearer guidelines about some of the stuff that got posted and figured he was taking the opportunity for a new thread.

SyntheticPolygon posted:

The old thread's still in the forums and it definitely has the same tag.

I meant I thought this iteration specifically had the horror tag, but maybe I was imagining it.

Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Aug 27, 2021

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

what guidelines do we even need

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
This thread had a lot more character with the horror tag. :sigh:

Second floor bookmarking gay postin

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Acerbatus posted:

Could just be a coincidence then, I'd asked Julias about having clearer guidelines about some of the stuff that got posted and figured he was taking the opportunity for a new thread.

Specifically it was closed because of you and I rather you not post in this thread as well. You sent PMs last night asking for a link to get removed in the previous thread to a manga you said bothered you that was posted months ago. In the thread you made a quote expressing interest in this chapter and said you wanted it to get trashier. Once the link was removed you edited your own post in question to remove that you ever had an interest in the story.

The manga in question was chapter 2 of My Girlfriend's Not Here Today. There was a three panel sex scene between high schoolers that while I don't find personally problematic or pornographic I had no issues to removed it while I was asked. I do have an issue with the fact that you seem to want it remove in what is either a game to you or a move to protect your own back out of paranoia someone would call you out for liking the manga.

Bees closed the thread not out of the thread being full of stuff being over the line but a misguided attempt to fight back against you.
You have a history of being a terror in LGBT spaces on this forum, I think the appropriate fresh start here would be to keep you out.

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Aug 27, 2021

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Snooze Cruise posted:

Specifically it was closed because of you and I rather you not post in this thread as well. You sent PMs last night asking for a link to get removed in the previous thread to a manga you said bothered you that was posted months ago. In the thread quoted the story you expressed interest and said you wanted it to get trashier. Once the link was removed you edited your own post in question to remove that you ever had an interest in the story.

The manga in question was chapter 2 of My Girlfriend's Not Here Today. There was a three panel sex scene between high schoolers that while I don't find personally problematic or pornographic I had no issues to removed it while I was asked. I do have an issue with the fact that you seem to want it remove in what is either a game to you or a move to protect your own back out of paranoia someone would call you out for liking the manga.

Bees closed the thread not out of the thread being full of stuff being over the line but a misguided attempt to fight back against you.
You have a history of being a terror in LGBT spaces on this forum, I think the appropriate fresh start here would be to keep you out.

agreed

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Snooze Cruise posted:

Specifically it was closed because of you and I rather you not post in this thread as well. You sent PMs last night asking for a link to get removed in the previous thread to a manga you said bothered you that was posted months ago. In the thread quoted the story you expressed interest and said you wanted it to get trashier. Once the link was removed you edited your own post in question to remove that you ever had an interest in the story.

The manga in question was chapter 2 of My Girlfriend's Not Here Today. There was a three panel sex scene between high schoolers that while I don't find personally problematic or pornographic I had no issues to removed it while I was asked. I do have an issue with the fact that you seem to want it remove in what is either a game to you or a move to protect your own back out of paranoia someone would call you out for liking the manga.

Bees closed the thread not out of the thread being full of stuff being over the line but a misguided attempt to fight back against you.
You have a history of being a terror in LGBT spaces on this forum, I think the appropriate fresh start here would be to keep you out.

I know you don't like me, and that's fine, but please don't make things up.

I never edited my post about that (you'll note that my name is Acerbatus, not 'Somebody') or indeed ever asked for the link to be removed, because I didn't want to draw attention to you posting that even if I find no amount of underage sex to be ok. What I did ask for was to clear things going forward with a minimum of drama over it. No probations, no naming names, just a general statement to work off of that could be conveniently explained as a new start with Wark now gone.

Evidently someone on the staff did want to make a big deal out of it, since I never talked to Bees about it and they never had any reason to be made involved or have their thread removed.

I didn't think DMing a mod asking for a rule stating no tolerance for sexual depictions of minors was going to 'terrorize LGBT spaces on the forum', yet here we are. I don't know if this is because the mod I spoke to decided to mischaracterize the events, or you're doing it intentionally because of posting grudges, but the entire point of sending a DM to a mod instead of an admin or making a report was to avoid making a scene.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Aug 27, 2021

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

i mean the entire forum knows you're a rereg of a perma

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Acerbatus posted:

I didn't think DMing a mod asking for a rule stating no tolerance for sexual depictions of minors was going to 'terrorize LGBT spaces on the forum', yet here we are.
if this is your play its a pretty weak one, there's a long road between extreme sexualization and stuff you could get away with in a pg-13 movie.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

you should tell us to remove all the mentions of scream too because of all the underage sex in it

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Endorph posted:

if this is your play its a pretty weak one, there's a long road between extreme sexualization and stuff you could get away with in a pg-13 movie.

Okay, but that's why I didn't make a report saying "permaban snooze cruise, that'll learn 'em" and sent a DM asking if the mods could set a line on what exactly was okay.

The vtuber thread did just get closed over something pretty minor, after all, so it left the rules pretty haphazard.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Acerbatus posted:

Okay, but that's why I didn't make a report saying "permaban snooze cruise, that'll learn 'em" and sent a DM asking if the mods could set a line on what exactly was okay.

The vtuber thread did just get closed over something pretty minor, after all, so it left the rules pretty haphazard.
i mean, what line do you want to be set here? because what you personally arent comfortable with and what is actually morally objectionable are two different things.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

pretending you want to be agreeable and reasonable after the poo poo you pull is why everyone hates you btw

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
I have no interest in debating you but to clarify a few things

i talked to bee's about this because i was venting, it was her thread, no mods or admins contacted her

even if you weren't the one who edited your post

this was referring to the manga you apparently had a problem with

i don't want you here, call it a grudge if you want. don't try to make this about you taking a noble stand because any number of lgbt posters on these forums can report in on your issues in the past. personally, i am disgusted with this. these issues get to me, and the fact that its being turn into some sort of game for you upsets me.

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Aug 27, 2021

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Endorph posted:

i mean, what line do you want to be set here? because what you personally arent comfortable with and what is actually morally objectionable are two different things.

Making it clear on what level of sexualization of minors is okay, more or less. I'm not a mod here, I don't get to decide what's okay. That's fine.

But don't make it a double standard.


Aurora posted:

you should tell us to remove all the mentions of scream too because of all the underage sex in it

This is really the hill you want to die on?

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

lmao dude

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
stop responding to acerbatus, lets wait for a mod i don't want this to be the entirety of page 2 of this thread for future readers.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Acerbatus posted:

Okay, but that's why I didn't make a report saying "permaban snooze cruise, that'll learn 'em" and sent a DM asking if the mods could set a line on what exactly was okay.

The vtuber thread did just get closed over something pretty minor, after all, so it left the rules pretty haphazard.


It's really drat weird your thoughts on the vtuber thread were "drat, gotta protect the lgbt thread from suffering the same fate". Why would you even draw that conclusion? Nobody's making QCS posts about it or whatever.

You're not saving the thread by asking a mod to remove a link and then making your first post in this new thread about how the old one was closed because someone crossed a line.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

as a recovering manipulator cuntellectual/acerbatus' posting is paper thin attempts to gaslight and manipulate everyone in this thread into feeling 'guilty' about something that isn't happening and i eagerly await the day they are removed from this site permanently

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Acerbatus posted:

Making it clear on what level of sexualization of minors is okay, more or less. I'm not a mod here, I don't get to decide what's okay. That's fine.
look i think most people can like, tell, and a rule in the op defining what amount you can show would make this thread look more suspect, not less. imagine going into the lgbt thread and the first post has fifteen paragraphs about child sexualization, come on.

like i said, i read pretty much everything posted in the last thread and everything you could describe as very sexual involved adults. everything with teens you could absolutely sell in a barnes and noble with a 'for ages 15 and up' on the back without any drama, i dont really see the need to live the rest of our lives quibbling in an extremely offputting way because the vtuber thread got blammed.

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician

Snooze Cruise posted:

stop responding to acerbatus, lets wait for a mod i don't want this to be the entirety of page 2 of this thread for future readers.

On this exact note: hi gamers im gay and wanna consume more of That Gay poo poo but ive never read manga before at all and dont really know where to start; i know you posted some general recs last page (and ill check them out!!) but are there any like, hall of fame must-reads out there for someone like me who's totally new

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Aurora posted:

as a recovering manipulator cuntellectual/acerbatus' posting is paper thin attempts to gaslight and manipulate everyone in this thread into feeling 'guilty' about something that isn't happening and i eagerly await the day they are removed from this site permanently

Don't dare compare me to you. Gaslighting is a horrible thing to do to anyone and doesn't even remotely fit what's going on here. Something more general like manipulation, fine, that's up for debate. But gaslighting is something very specific and incredibly vile, damaging to people for the rest of their lives and calling a petty forum disagreement anything remotely close to that is a loving insult to anyone who's gone through that.

"Recovering manipulator", what a hell of a sentence.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Monicro posted:

On this exact note: hi gamers im gay and wanna consume more of That Gay poo poo but ive never read manga before at all and dont really know where to start; i know you posted some general recs last page (and ill check them out!!) but are there any like, hall of fame must-reads out there for someone like me who's totally new
im mostly familiar with lesbian manga but huge shoutouts to so, wanna go out, or (officially released in english as how do we relationship) and run away with me, girl.

VideoWitch
Oct 9, 2012

Monicro posted:

On this exact note: hi gamers im gay and wanna consume more of That Gay poo poo but ive never read manga before at all and dont really know where to start; i know you posted some general recs last page (and ill check them out!!) but are there any like, hall of fame must-reads out there for someone like me who's totally new

Run Away With Me, Girl is like probably my number one favorite lesbian manga? it's real good

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Acerbatus posted:

Don't dare compare me to you. Gaslighting is a horrible thing to do to anyone and doesn't even remotely fit what's going on here. Something more general like manipulation, fine, that's up for debate. But gaslighting is something very specific and incredibly vile, damaging to people for the rest of their lives and calling a petty forum disagreement anything remotely close to that is a loving insult to anyone who's gone through that.

"Recovering manipulator", what a hell of a sentence.

yeah some of us are aware of our flaws and trying to improve unlike you you giant piece of poo poo

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician

Endorph posted:

im mostly familiar with lesbian manga but huge shoutouts to so, wanna go out, or (officially released in english as how do we relationship) and run away with me, girl.

oh yeah i forgot to mention im def most interested in WLW stuff but im down for whatever. I'll check those out thanks!!

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Monicro posted:

oh yeah i forgot to mention im def most interested in WLW stuff but im down for whatever. I'll check those out thanks!!

oh sweet! still sick is also pretty good though the premise requires a sliiight bit of understanding of anime fandom, nothing major tho. one of the characters does yuri doujins in their free time, like female/female fancomics of anime basically. its mostly about burnout and learning to look at relationships more maturely, the anime fandom stuff is mostly just setup, but figure id give that primer since the manga itself kinda assumes that understanding.

bloom into you is also pretty solid and actually has a decent anime adaptation if you wanted something to actually watch, though the anime doesnt adapt all of it

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Monicro posted:

On this exact note: hi gamers im gay and wanna consume more of That Gay poo poo but ive never read manga before at all and dont really know where to start; i know you posted some general recs last page (and ill check them out!!) but are there any like, hall of fame must-reads out there for someone like me who's totally new

I mentioned Octave but it's def a hall of fame must read

Uhh if you want "getting started" stuff in general though I would recommend checking out Takemiya Jin's Absurd Relationship, and authors like Morishima Akiko (love Office Romance: Women's Division and check out Yuri Friends in the one shots down below its her and a bunch other women yuri authors going to a bikini club)
Both are like the classic examples of lesbians making yuri manga, though there are many others.

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 27, 2021

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

I can't bring myself to read Run Away With Me Girl because I mostly like fluffier stuff but enough people have told me about it that I'm glad that more people are reading it.

As per the thread, I'm just an IK but I know most of your regulars and I think you're all mature enough to know what is and what is not appropriate to post here without a concrete rule in the OP or anything. Please don't escalate this to the point that I have to throw out probes. Enjoy your readings.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

Ibblebibble posted:

I can't bring myself to read Run Away With Me Girl because I mostly like fluffier stuff but enough people have told me about it that I'm glad that more people are reading it.

As per the thread, I'm just an IK but I know most of your regulars and I think you're all mature enough to know what is and what is not appropriate to post here without a concrete rule in the OP or anything. Please don't escalate this to the point that I have to throw out probes. Enjoy your readings.

Can't ya, at the very least, probe the person all the gay people in the gay thread (and in numerous other gay threads) don't like... So they don't post here until we get someone higher up here to deal with them.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Acerbatus posted:

Fresh start since some of the stuff Wark allowed was a bit over the line.

Snooze Cruise posted:

Specifically it was closed because of you and I rather you not post in this thread as well. You sent PMs last night asking for a link to get removed in the previous thread to a manga you said bothered you that was posted months ago. In the thread quoted the story you expressed interest and said you wanted it to get trashier. Once the link was removed you edited your own post in question to remove that you ever had an interest in the story.

The manga in question was chapter 2 of My Girlfriend's Not Here Today. There was a three panel sex scene between high schoolers that while I don't find personally problematic or pornographic I had no issues to removed it while I was asked. I do have an issue with the fact that you seem to want it remove in what is either a game to you or a move to protect your own back out of paranoia someone would call you out for liking the manga.

Bees closed the thread not out of the thread being full of stuff being over the line but a misguided attempt to fight back against you.
You have a history of being a terror in LGBT spaces on this forum, I think the appropriate fresh start here would be to keep you out.

So there's a bit of confusion going on here. Acerbatus asked me to clarify rules on questionable content like that, and rather than lay down any sort of hard guidelines I said it made more sense to just report the post so I could take care of it. I messaged Snooze about it and they agreed to remove it. Acerbatus didn't edit their followup post at all- *I* removed the picture/link in her post that was quoted from snooze's post. They haven't edited the post or any posts in that thread since then or even before then. I think someone panicked, and some sort of weird game of telephone ensued. I woke up in the morning with bees recommending to close the channel which I did, and I didn't see any issue with hiding it in the mod forum since plenty of LGBT threads have been moved there after they've been rebooted in the past. Other posters pointed out that it was a good repository of recommendations, and that if people had issues with possible PI in there, they could either edit it out themselves or ask me to do so.

As far as boundaries of content goes it's simple: Don't link stuff that has explicit images of underage characters. That's it. Like nobody is gonna get rustled at seeing two teens under a blanket going at it if you can't see it, but there shouldn't be any graphic depictions of highschool characters having sex.

With all that said though, I'm not surprised a lot of posters here are uncomfortable with Acerbatus posting alongside them. She has a long history of trolling and contradictions on this and her previous account. She was honestly not a very good secret santa from what I've gathered. She has lied about "Mods won't change my username "Cuntellectual"," when both me and Wark Say had offered her name changes and she declined. And while I think it was a good thing that she brought attention to what Wark Say was posting on his Twitter, it raises the question of why she was digging through goons accounts on offsites, as that behavior is pretty creepy and stalkerish.

Obviously I can't know a poster's intent, I'm not a mind reader. But I can't blame all the other thread posters for being uncomfortable with Acerbatus posting around them. While I'm generally in favor of spaces being more open, the problem is sometimes a single person can make a place feel unsafe or toxic. I would like to ask Acerbatus to sincerely consider not posting in this thread, so as to give the other posters here more piece of mind.

Julias fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Aug 27, 2021

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I would like it noted for the record that 'not a very good secret santa' is a very funny sentence that here means 'didnt get someone a gift at all but gladly took the one sent to them'

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Endorph posted:

I would like it noted for the record that 'not a very good secret santa' is a very funny sentence that here means 'didnt get someone a gift at all but gladly took the one sent to them'

My understanding was she did get it out...several months late. When repeatedly called out on it.

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Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Julias posted:

My understanding was she did get it out...several months late. When repeatedly called out on it.

I'll take the L and stop posting here but no I'm pretty sure the amazon box just got stolen, I pm'd the 'arrived' receipt and everything.

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