LGBT manga/anime: "when I get high I can get really emotional about sapphic love"

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BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Completely unrelated to anything else, I'm very much a fan of the art style used for the picture in the OP - the full image definitely has some possibilities for being embiggened with neural networks, so that it can be used for a poster.

Alright, so continuing a conversation from the intermediary thread:

Snooze Cruise posted:

i mean it does pop up but its often like something that gets mention about the character like once initially. there was just a character in whispering you a love song but she showed up like 2 chapters so didn't felt worth mentioning but it wasn't really a minor thing with her and she was in a relationship. for an on going thing i would argue for Ise-san and Shima-san which had a whole chapter dedicated to the one lady being into a dude but i guess people would call the main relationship subtext even though the author is posting tweets of her gnawing on the lady character when drunk.

i think it pops up way more in like, stuff trying to depict the actual reality of being lgbt then the typical romance thing. also i get the impression i see it more in korean stuff too for whatever reason? like the initial premise of It Would be Great if You Didn't Exist is the two ladies end up dating each other after their discover their lovely boyfriend has been cheating on them with the other and both realizing they find the other hot.

I get what you're saying, but I think there's a difference between "I've been with men and now I'm with a woman for the first time and it's very different than it's been with any guy" and "I've been with both men and women before, and I like both".
The first can be interpreted to mean that it's just a person who's been in the closet so much that they've even been lying to themselves (which is sadly still a thing to this day), so it doesn't really strike me as the best example of a bisexual character, but maybe I'm just being too picky.

Having said all of that though, I haven't actually read either of the ones you're talking about, because they're not yet completely scanlated/translated, and I like to read stories in one sitting (or as close to it as it's possible).
So I'm definitely looking forward to them.

As to you mentioning that it exists in manhwa, I just finished Ring My Bell, and it does also have a character who's into both women and men - but again, it's "just" a side character, and unless the author follows it up with another series focusing on the story of the side characters, it isn't exactly the kind of ending that I'd wish for, if I had a choice in the matter.

Pollyanna posted:

I honestly wish there was more outright trans rep in anime and manga. Maybe I�ve just been missing it, but most of the non-cisnormative rep is couched in �haha gender-nonconforming presentation but nope actually definitely a boy!!�. Which is all well and good, GNC rep is important, but we�re just outright rare in comparison.

It actually kinda bugs me, and I think a lot of it is authors either being too scared to fully commit, or chasing some fetishistic 4chan-style fad. Cause I know for a fact that there�s Japanese trans people, so it�s not some ethnocentric �this concept doesn�t exist in the East� bullshit.

The trans/GNC rep we do get is often of the idealistic anime waifu garbage nature too. I�d really love to see more realistic, non-turbofemme rep. Gimme some bikers or programmers or something (not biased, I promise). Double House and Shimanami Tasogare were great about this sort of thing.

I just finished re-reading Usotsuki Lily and I feel like it's one of the better instances, but there's also Prunus Girl - but both of them aren't very new, so I get what you're saying, and I think it'd be good to have more of that too.

BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Aug 26, 2021

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BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Pollyanna posted:

The trans/GNC rep we do get is often of the idealistic anime waifu garbage nature too. I�d really love to see more realistic, non-turbofemme rep. Gimme some bikers or programmers or something (not biased, I promise). Double House and Shimanami Tasogare were great about this sort of thing.

Program Me, while being rather fetishistic with some BDSM elements, features two programmers, although it's yuri.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 16:58

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Pollyanna posted:

Usotsuki Lily is just het with crossdressing from what I remember.

I forgot about Prunus Girl, that's one decent too, but still a tad lacking. Prunus Girl is closer to the core of the conversation by explicitly saying it's about presentation and that the specific identity is not important, especially cause it makes a point of not trying to "reveal" any sort of truth. Also anime waifu.

Snooze Cruise posted:

they aren't trans... but i do like it yeah

Looking through the rather sparse list, I just realized that My Wife Is a Man finished very recently, and the tags are very powerful.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 17:06

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Windmill slam Tokyo Godfathers.
Probably also one of my all-time favorite movies.

Also, I just realize I completely missed the point of your post, and thought you were saying there should be more trap characters, so please feel free to call me an idiot, because I am one.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 17:19

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

You know what, please probate me for that, that was unconscionable of me.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 17:28

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

I appreciate that you give me the benefit of the doubt, despite the fact that I don't feel like I deserve it - I know better, if I'd taken even a second to think about it.

Snooze Cruise posted:

i wish there was more stuff like double house yeah but i do get a lot out of wish fulfillment stuff like this so i don't end up complaining much. also im hot irl so i don't get disappointed by them not looking like me cause im better lookin' B)

There's some extremely good title gore in this collection - are they oneshots? Because if so, I'm gonna go read them right now.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 17:32

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Endorph posted:

how you feel about it is how you feel about it but theres no real need to be the gender police about it is my take. the yugioh cards with the pink borders is one thing because as mentioned the term itself inherently implies a kind of trickery but the fact is any term that refers to femme presented gay dudes is A) gonna be a 'successor' and B) is gonna be used in a fetishy way. at a certain point youre just moving deck chairs.

I get your point, but I also don't think it's up to me to say how others should be represented - it's their voices that should be heard, not mine.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 17:35

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Endorph posted:

i get you feel bad but i wasnt replying to you and also you running down the apology tour checklist is kinda uncomfortable lol, like it feels very performative and at this point accounts for like 25% of the posts in this thread. just say 'sorry, my bad, wont happen again'

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 17:39

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Aurora posted:

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solomio?

# ¿ Aug 26, 2021 19:11

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Monicro posted:

On this exact note: hi gamers im gay and wanna consume more of That Gay poo poo but ive never read manga before at all and dont really know where to start; i know you posted some general recs last page (and ill check them out!!) but are there any like, hall of fame must-reads out there for someone like me who's totally new

If you want something that's so cute it's almost frightening, check out Wife & Wife.

Also, there's something quite adorable about autobiographical stuff, and although there isn't a whole lot of it, Honey & Honey is definitely up there among my favorites.
In the same vein, there's Our Days Under One Roof although that's not yet completed.

And in general, dynasty-scans (which is the site that I've linked to for all of those), has a lot of WLW stuff.

EDIT: There's also a lot of WLW recommendations over in the shoujo/josei romance thread.

Monicro posted:

sure, sure, but consider: girls in suits

BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Aug 27, 2021

# ¿ Aug 27, 2021 06:53

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

A Joyful Life posted:

# ¿ Aug 27, 2021 16:48

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Apraxin posted:

didn't realize you'd linked the title, did an image search and

ok then

Not that google isn't useless at searches nowadays, but I basically handcropped that with ImageMagicks import command-line utility, so it's no wonder it couldn't find anything.

In case anyone's still wondering, the manhwa it's from is A Joyful Life - and it's a doozy with a lot of gut-punches so far.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2021 18:46

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Snooze Cruise posted:

oh reposting this one from the last thread in case people missed it during the move.

Ohsawa Yayoi (Hello Melachonic, 2dk) one shot
its really good, puppy woman rights!

ok i already been posting too much here lol, going to distract myself with video games

Yeah, it's extremely powerful.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2021 20:05

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

That series really has been going on for an incredibly long time, hasn't it.

# ¿ Aug 28, 2021 14:22

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

I Am Fowl posted:

Someone pointed this out to me and it's rather sweet.

https://twitter.com/DfLmanga/status/1421894699271565315

It's written by an autistic cis woman who is bi or pan (she's uncertain) and the comics are screened by her wife before posting.

Unfortunately, they're not married anymore because her partner changed her gender designation; which made the marriage effectively null since two women can't be married in Japan. But they've vowed to stay together, regardless!

Miki posted about it two posts above yours, but on the other hand it's so damned good that I think everyone needs to read it.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2021 16:19

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Here's A Story About an Innocent Girl Who Doesn�t Know What a Love Hotel Is and the Worried Girlfriend Who Is Dating Her.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2021 09:48

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Snooze Cruise posted:

two new chapters of green tea bitch
and
two new chapters of with a lady who likes my sister

both of these seem very powerful but for entirely different reasons

# ¿ Sep 7, 2021 08:58

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

also doublepost because this is important
i don't know if any of you remember but i posted a link to a short manga that had followed the characters throughout their entire life

well, there's been a few follow-ups posted and it's even more powerful!

# ¿ Sep 7, 2021 13:05

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Do you kiss on the first date?

# ¿ Sep 10, 2021 15:15

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Also, A Short Story.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2021 09:19

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Tamamusi is good but I don't especially like harem stuff.
Life truly is suffering.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2021 08:39

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Snooze Cruise posted:

i would love to have multiple wives.

If this turns out to be polyamory, I'm all for it - but that's not what most harem manga/anime is.
The vast majority of it is "end up picking one partner and maybe possible the other ones find someone to love too, but that's not always the case".

# ¿ Sep 21, 2021 08:50

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Snooze Cruise posted:

this feels too self indulgent for that

# ¿ Sep 21, 2021 09:02

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

It's

but you should read about The Sales Rep Who Absolutely Won�t Come VS The Researcher Who Absolutely Wants to Make Her Come.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2021 16:44

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Cephas posted:

the NEW lgbt manga/anime thread - I'm sure that even someone with a discerning vagina like you will like this.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2021 10:19

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

The mangaka that did the one above about the sales rep and the researcher also did one about a nearby gas station.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2021 12:38

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Wifetime is doing Under The Christmas Tree, which is a Christmas movie with two women.

I'd like to think it exists because of this.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2021 21:13

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

cis men can have empathy? why that's illegal!

# ¿ Oct 14, 2021 17:48

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

:jackoff: I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's hardly what you'd expect given the gender roles and expectations in Japan and the world at large

i was thinking of it more as a little bit of evidence towards those exact expectations beginning to change, although i definitely could've been less of a jackass about saying it

# ¿ Oct 14, 2021 22:04

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Elevator ride in the morning is very powerful.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2021 15:20

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Snooze Cruise posted:

i wish i was an OL

OLs are very powerful, so this is very understandable.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2021 22:42

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Violen posted:

this is going to come off as a pretty shameless request but does anyone have any fluffy trans romance or slice of life stuff they read and recommend because ive been having really overwhelming dreams of mundanely living at the end of a journey i dont even know if ill be able to or should take lately and i could seriously use some uncomplicated escapism right now and trust the wider internet less on that than possibly anything ever

if you want stuff that's explicitly fluffy, there's a whole subclass that uses the japanese word iyashikei which can typically be used as an identifying keyword - it translates to therapy, healing, rejuvenating, refreshing, or soothing

there's also an entire thread for slice of life stuff and most of that is fluffy

# ¿ Oct 22, 2021 09:41

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Snooze Cruise posted:

oh i totally missed this one shot
same author as maitsuki, niwatsuki, ooyatsuki (read it if you haven't)

i like all of this authors stuff, i dig their art, attractive women

going to use this as an excuse to post a link to their other one shot

I'm a fan of their work too, but it's so frustrating that it's seemingly just the start of the story that gets published. I want more, drat it!

# ¿ Oct 25, 2021 11:46

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Baka-updates has a tag called LGBT Character In Non-Yaoi/Yuri Manga - which can be used in to do advanced searches if you want to filter it further, for example if you want to filter out the romance for some strange reason.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2021 11:35