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Heavy Metal Queen was next on the list so let me say that Doggy Dog is a great song for a bar brawl. Also Spike must have some really good organ replacements or something to survive vacuum for as long as he did.
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grassy gnoll posted:it's compelling, even if it is a narrative mess. This is a big swing, what makes you say it's a mess?
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Can't speak for grassy gnoll, obviously, but when I hear "narrative mess" in relation to Bebop I apply it as the messiness of life. Not everything that happens in life makes sense or follows a linear narrative. Sometimes poo poo just happens and you're left to process what you just went through and draw your own conclusions. Like my take no Sympathy for the Devil making very little sense before culminating in its strange ending scene.
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Yep, that's pretty much it. I doubt anything in this show was not intentional, 'cause that's not how Watanabe's ever done anything. It's just how it is. Bebop gives you a couple of short stories and says "nothing might actually in this story, and it definitely doesn't mean anything." Sometimes to the point of literally telling you as much in the previews. And that's good!
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Well Jet tells you Waltz for Venus is good for you because you need a change of pace from time to time and his rant about how boring Speak Like a Child is going to be puts you off guard for when the ending hits you like a truck.
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Sep 13, 2021 22:41
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Was there ever a song about pierrot le fou or is it the only episode without a clear musical connection
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Milo and POTUS posted:Was there ever a song about pierrot le fou or is it the only episode without a clear musical connection The music that plays during the flashback to Mad Pierrot's torture and experiments is an homage to Pink Floyd's song On The Run from Dark Side of the Moon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNzO50w2JK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VouHPeO4Gls
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I meant just the titles. Every other one I think is a reference to a style of music or an album or something
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I just finished Heavy Metal Queen. That was the first episode I hadn't seen yet, and probably my favorite of the ones I've seen. Really funny, really clever. Was just about dying during the double whammy of Faye encountering "Decker" in the children's restaurant... followed by the real Decker freaking out hearing his own name.
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Milo and POTUS posted:I meant just the titles. Every other one I think is a reference to a style of music or an album or something Brain Scratch? Anyhow, Pierrot Le Fou gets its title from the Jean-Luc Godard film of the same name and the alternate title for the episode is "Requiem for a Clown", so there's your music style reference. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Apparently Pierre le Fou is the title of a 1965 New Wave French film. I mean, it's not a song name but what the gently caress else could it be? Brain Scratch is probably just a reference to record scratch. But for your brain. YggiDee fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Sep 14, 2021 |
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Session 8: Waltz for Venus Another great episode with a blend of comedy and melancholy. Roco and Stella are both very sympathetic victims who got dealt an absolutely poo poo hand in life and had to suffer for the sole reason that one wanted to help the other. So it's nice that such a sad story can have so many fun moments, mostly involving Roco wanting to be like Bruce Lee. It's at once pure catharsis and then literal heartbreak when Roco pulls off the move before getting shot, and the fight scene a testament to how seamlessly Bebop can transition between action, comedy and tragedy without skipping a beat. Despite the low mood of the ending its still a pretty beautiful episode, even if it does tinge that beauty with irony thanks to those pollen spore snowflakes. Something so pretty ruining someone's life. Also, on a personal note, I was talking about this rewatch to a friend and they decided to give the show a shot. I'm pretty excited and I'm trying really hard not to spoil anything for him. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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This episode always gets me teary eyed, because I am a big baby.
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Session 9: Jamming with Edward Not much to say about this episode besides that it is a lot of fun and Ed is an adorable goblin creature. Has a lot of great lines and is a nice change of pace after Waltz for Venus. Cats on Mars is still stuck in my ear. Carving a smiley face in South America might be the largest bit of vandalism ever committed by an adolescent. Session 10: Ganynmede Elegy Another one of my favourites. Shinichiro Watanabe has a few recurring visual motifs that he's reused over the years. In this particular case, it's the scene of two men fighting over one woman at sunset. In Macross Plus, it was Dyson running into Myung and Guld on Planet Eden and establishing the conflict between the two rivals. In Samurai Champloo during Misguided Miscreants (Part 2) it's Mugen, Koza and Shiren, with the antagonist Koza finally witnessing her manipulation and dependency crutch catching up with her. In Ganymede Elegy it's Jet, Elisa and Rhint with Jet coming to terms with his past without turning to hatred. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgg6p9gSeR0&t=1510s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWYYVvyLonI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLY2WK8KASc I find it interesting how each of the scenes rhyme with one another. They all focus on parasitic relationships and how the people involved deal with them. Macross Plus, being the first episode, deals with it through denial, since we don't know the whole story about how Myung, Guld and Isamu fell out with one another. Samurai Champloo deals with it by literally killing the replacement and leaving the Koza in hell. Cowboy Bebop lets the relationship stand and Jet allows himself to move on while respecting Elisa's choice to leave him. Jet's story is the most mellow of the three. He and Elisa just weren't right for each other because she chafed under his papa bear personality and desire to protect people. She wanted to live her own life and he smothered her with his "knows best attitude." Rhint means well at the same time and defends her during the confrontation with the loan shark, but the important thing was it was her decision, and he supported her. Rather than an unwanted protection that Jet gave, they both look out for one another. Neither of them are bad people, and you can see how they're better suited to being together. So while Jet has to bring Rhint in because he's the Black Dog, he's delicate and understanding of the situation rather than vengeful. He's frightening, sure, but he's a far cry from the emotional trainwreck of Isamu, Guld and Myung or the sheer holy-poo poo-that-is-ice-cold murder that Mugen commits. Koza is downright despicable in how she uses people and can't look after herself, so Mugen leaving her alive was dark but also super satisfying. This episode is why I like Jet the most. He's got his struggles, but he knows how to keep the past in the past and move on with his life. He's an incredibly lonely man, but he always tries to do good by the people he cares for. Outside of the main plot, Spike being an rear end in a top hat parking his ship on the street and Faye constantly getting her tan interrupted made me laugh.
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Again...just gutted by how Jet is supposed to be the ~old man~ at 36. 
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Again...just gutted by how Jet is supposed to be the ~old man~ at 36. He's been told he doesn't look 36.
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Ganymede Elegy is constantly vying with Pierrot Le Fou as my favorite episode of the show, albeit for entirely different reasons. Elegy is pretty great all around, but what pushes it into contention for the top slot is Billingslea's monologue in the bar. The dub has some legitimately good acting, not just acting-for-a-cartoon-dub, but I consistently come back that scene as the single best performance in the whole show.
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Arc Hammer posted:He's been told he doesn't look 36. He looks way older lol
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While I was looking up the scenes for my comparison videos I found a list of shows directed by Watanabe. One of them is called Carole & Tuesday which I haven't seen but I noticed that it is set in the future on a terraformed Mars in a place called Alba City. And that set off some bells for me because isn't Alba City the name of the city on Mars in Bebop? Could it very well be the same town and universe as Bebop, albeit further down the road than 2071?
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Session 11: Toys in the Attic When I first watched the show I was young and I hadn't seen Alien yet or 2001 a Space Odyssey and only a bit of Star Trek. So this episode went from being scary to being downright hilarious. I especially like the Waltz of the Flowers playing over the refrigerator (my god it's full of stars!) sailing off through space, and Jet's random turn doing a Starfleet Captain's Log while the audio team sneaked a bunch of Star Trek sound effects into the episode. But I think my favourite part is that, for all that this is a very silly episode, the final lesson strikes at the heart of the series. Your past always catches up with you sooner or later. So don't leave stuff in the fridge or it will come back with a vengeance. 
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Sep 19, 2021 17:51
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36 is absolutely ancient in anime people years. People kill God at 18 all the time!
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Sankara posted:36 is absolutely ancient in anime people years. People kill God at 18 all the time!
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Animus age faster than humans. That's why Ramba Ral 35 and Jet Black 36 look like they're in their late 50s mid 60s. Life sucks when you peak at 14.
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I used to enjoy reading yaoi manga which turned the trope on its head, featuring characters in their 30s who look (and often behave) as if they're much younger. For example, the character in my avatar is meant to be 31, IIRC. And I never noticed the TOS bridge sound effects in that episode, or really get the silly references the first time I watched that episode either. Never detracted from my enjoyment of it, though
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As a short horror episode it still works pretty well. The Predator Vision of the blob creature and the fridge itself are legitimately creepy. It's just that knowing what is being parodied makes those moments even funnier in retrospect.
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Unsurprising after it left Adult Swim's website: https://twitter.com/JRPictures/status/1440985297521557510?s=20
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Will it be dubbed. They only had the original audio for the movie when it was up on Netflix.
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It’s been on Hulu for a few years, but hopefully Netflix gets the movie too! I was bad and finished the series. I don’t think I’ve ever actually sat down and watched the entire series, in order. Always got hung up along the way. What a great show, can’t wait to discuss the rest with you all!
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Sessions 12 and 13: Jupiter Jazz Certainly a fan favourite. Not sure if I agree, mainly due to the first part being pretty average. The second half of the two parter is definitely stronger than the first, which feels pretty contrived even by the oddball standards Bebop uses to establish each episode's narrative. So Ed listens in on comm traffic to try and find Faye, Spike hears the name Julia and goes ballistic and of course it just so happens to be a drug deal between Vicious and his supplier on Callisto. At least in Ballad of Fallen Angels Vicious was intentionally setting a trap for Spike to draw him out. Here, it was Gren drawing Vicious out and Spike stumbles across the deal in a way that stretches belief a bit. That's not to say the first episode doesn't have good moments. I liked how the gang of thugs constantly got their asses kicked and Jet being completely fed up with everyone was nice. The second episode is much better and it ties together the episodes' theme of betrayal and trust. Faye ran away because she's afraid of being betrayed so she'd rather be the one doing it than get hurt again, but she also doesn't want to go so she sabotages herself to let them find her. Jet feels betrayed by Spike not helping him find Faye (using the pretense that he wants the money back but really because he doesn't want to lose his family). Gren trusted and even loved Vicious and instead he was shafted when Vicious's espionage was uncovered and Gren was framed. Even Lin, a guy with maybe five or six lines to his entire character, has his moment to show camaraderie and take a bullet for Vicious. I recently watched Armor Hunter Mellowlink from the VOTOMS franchise and I found out that it was one of Watanabe's first times directing for a couple episodes. I definitely felt some of that echo in the flashback to the war on Titan. That and the Predator reference with the scorpion. Vicious continues to be a symbolic villain rather than a compelling character. He's still a pretty pathetic individual, and it was satisfying seeing him essentially get turned into a glorified errand boy by the Syndicate bosses because Gren asked for him specifically to come to Callisto. He's also a lot less intimidating when he doesn't have dramatic camera angles and mood lighting to seem scary. When his ship explodes and he's struggling with the controls he looks like what he really is: a mopey, edgelord prick acting like he's got it all figured out but who is really just a stupid jerk. Best part of the whole thing has to be the entire Space Lion segment. Gren gets his sad sendoff, Laughing Bull has his great speech about the Tear of a Warrior, and we get one of my favourite moments between Spike and Jet when Jet lets him back on board the Bebop. The soft way that Beau Billingslea says "Get inside, we're taking off." absolutely seals the friendship between Jet and Spike. Nothing else needs to be said. Betrayal is one thing, but it can't break their relationship, because Jet and Spike need each other, just like they need Faye and Ed and Ein, and neither one really wants to give that up. So yeah, first episode is kinda meh, second episode is a lot better and the last seven minutes are some of the best in the entire show.
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Thoughts, comments, concerns?Arist posted:They just showed the Cowboy Bebop opening and it's pretty amazing. It's the same song as the original with a lot of the same shots, but there's also a bunch of new footage and it looks silly as poo poo, in a good way. Arc Hammer posted:Sessions 12 and 13: Jupiter Jazz It also feels like a series finale. The long outro, panning up through the solar system, which would eventually be reused in the final episode.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Thoughts, comments, concerns? Oh god, I'm giggling. Mama, Teddy Bomber, Mad Pierrot, Asimov and Catarina. That being said I don't think slowmo works that well for the intro. I'd either go with shutter snapshots or just run everything at regular speed and tighten it up with snappy edits. As for Series Finale, I love Space Lion but I can't think of a better outro song than Blue. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 25, 2021 |
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Sep 25, 2021 20:22
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In case anyone missed this Space Lion from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu_YGgZQ9DE
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Thoughts, comments, concerns? I'm wondering if this is more promotional material for the series than an actual intro. It seems like a strange choice to show one-off characters from the episodes in an intro for the show.
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it looks like theyre going the 300 route with the live action, vicious looks extra edgelord space lion fuckin rules whatever
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Arc Hammer posted:That being said I don't think slowmo works that well for the intro. I'd either go with shutter snapshots or just run everything at regular speed and tighten it up with snappy edits. Yeah, the editing needs some work. The whole thing feels a little rushed and I've seen comments saying it feels like something fans would put together which is funny because I expect that once the show is released, the fans will cut together a much better, more authentic feeling opening sequence. Edit: I watched it again and it feels like a rushed promotional piece to generate hype. I noticed that when the three pistols are firing, Jet's revolver looks like they filmed someone pulling the plastic trigger on a set prop and then animated a little puff of smoke coming out. It's bizarre, because both Spike and Faye's pistols have actions that articulate and slide when fried and their is some attempt at showing recoil. Penitent fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Penitent posted:I noticed that when the three pistols are firing, Jet's revolver looks like they filmed someone pulling the plastic trigger on a set prop and then animated a little puff of smoke coming out. It's bizarre, because both Spike and Faye's pistols have actions that articulate and slide when fried and their is some attempt at showing recoil. Jet's gun looks like its barrel lines up with the bottom of the cylinder rather than the top, like a Mateba. These guns push the recoil more into the hand so they don't kick as high. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Sep 26, 2021 |
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Penitent posted:I'm wondering if this is more promotional material for the series than an actual intro. Is the Netflix thing going to be a series? I thought they were just doing a one off movie.
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It's a TV-show right? Not like it's out of Netflix's wheelhouse after the insanely expensive Witcher adaptation.
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