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Renaissance Spam posted:LOL Tony avoiding saying Cornette's name is a mood. What was the context?
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Jerusalem posted:The scrum is over, one of the best wrestling PPVs ever is done. Goddamn, what a rush. Tell Em Hawk!
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Sep 6, 2021 07:08
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SonicRulez posted:I don't deny Bray is a charismatic guy and got over, but I never liked his promos and he never brought it home in the ring. He was always ok at best except once when Bryan dragged more out of him. Not saying he's incompetent or I want him out of wrestling. He can go to Impact and if he's not awful, he can graduate to AEW through the forbidden door. Bray actually was very solid in the ring very often OP, it's just that WWE didn't showcase that because they were too obsessed with making him 100% the spooky guy. It's literally the exact same problem they had with Mox once they realized he's funny so they made him wacky all the time. When I made the underrated matches thread, I was reminded that he had a solid singles match with goddamned Ryback for gently caress's sake.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:10
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That was such a good PPV, and I really appreciate how AEW shuffles its roster and storylines around. The champions are givens but everyone else moves up and down or even in and out depending, but the shows never feel the lesser for it. For instance, this PPV didn't have: Hangman Adam Page, the Dark Order in general (except a little bit), Malakai Black, PAC (curse you visa) and as a result Andrade El Idolo, Ricky Starks, Brian Cage, Will the Powerhouse Hobbs (the last three were very prominent on the previous Dynamite), Lance Archer...
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Sep 6, 2021 07:11
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bray loving stinks and is dogshit in the ring. leave the magic spooky dork poo poo in wwe. itsmy2cents. if you like him great but no thanks from me
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Sep 6, 2021 07:13
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Have Bray Wyatt come out as Sister Abigail and compete in the women’s division
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Sep 6, 2021 07:14
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SonicRulez posted:I don't deny Bray is a charismatic guy and got over, but I never liked his promos and he never brought it home in the ring. He was always ok at best except once when Bryan dragged more out of him. Not saying he's incompetent or I want him out of wrestling. He can go to Impact and if he's not awful, he can graduate to AEW through the forbidden door. i disagree he couldn't have a good match but i'd also say that the thing to underline here is bray doesn't have to carry matches in aew. he can be a promo guy and a manager and wrestle occasionally (like hardy does) and that's absolutely fine. my fantasy stable with chaos project, butcher+blade+bunny, abadon (throw in ryzin, even) are all people that could benefit from a good manager to sell the spectacle of their matches my problem with bray in the wwe is that he'd sell you on the matches but he would just never ever EVER win a match or a feud so it was all just empty words. they were good, entertaining words, but he lost any believability. his cinematic match vs cena proved to me that he can still do really loving entertaining things and i wish that even that didn't end up with cena just popping back into existence as soon as bray was fired
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Sep 6, 2021 07:15
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Bray is a dude who embraced and figured out sports entertainment so well that it actually wrapped back around to baffling Vince and creative. Respect. e: Remember how over the fuckin firefly cell phones were during his entrances? I will never understand Vince soup brain that looks at that and goes, "lets stamp that out boys."
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Sep 6, 2021 07:15
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yea ok posted:bray loving stinks and is dogshit in the ring. leave the magic spooky dork poo poo in wwe. itsmy2cents. if you like him great but no thanks from me I respectfully disagree but point taken
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Sep 6, 2021 07:16
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Davros1 posted:What was the context? Tony was talking about how wrestling fans go to the wrestling show to see wrestlers, a pretty direct quote from Cornette whom Tony credited as being a major inspiration for his role in AEW. He also mentioned that Jim probably wouldn't appreciate being his mentor. And it's a mood because Jim is a major reason I love wrestling, I just wish he didn't suck.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:18
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Bray is cool and good and both of his gimmicks were very over until they got Vince’d I have no reason to think he won’t be entertaining now that he’s free of his dumbass ex boss
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Sep 6, 2021 07:18
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Not sure how people can go "Bray was never good in WWE so he'll be bad everywhere!" when WWE managed to make Jon Moxley into walking garbage
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Sep 6, 2021 07:18
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Bray Wyatt never impressed me that much in the ring, but Windham Rotunda is a guy I can easily see doing better in the ring literally anywhere else.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:19
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Bray actually was very solid in the ring very often OP, it's just that WWE didn't showcase that because they were too obsessed with making him 100% the spooky guy. It's literally the exact same problem they had with Mox once they realized he's funny so they made him wacky all the time. I think you just like Bray Wyatt a lot more than me, because while Mox was under that system I can think of a number of WWE matches he had that were great. And yes he had some exploding TVs there (with Bray Wyatt of course) but even when Wyatt had straight up matches they were often painfully mediocre. He wasn't in the best of shape either. I will admit I hate spooky wrestling. I see people fantasy ITT booking him with Abadon and Butcher & Blade to make a spooky stable and I'm just like...yeah, that's why I want him on Impact or ROH or some other show I only tangentially pay attention to. Keep that bullshit somewhere else. No thank you. If there's a super worker somewhere underneath all the Bray Wyatt stuff, he's gotta show me that before I want him on a show that's going to be regularly featuring Bryan Danielson and Kenny Omega and Adam Cole (Bay Bay) and Malakai Black and Hangman Page and Jungle Boy and I could be obnoxious all night, but ultimately I just do not like this wrestler even a 10th as much as you and that's ok. I'm sure there's a guy I'm big on that you don't think is that good. EDIT: Like no disrespect, but the comparison point for "You can't judge them based on WWE" isn't Mox for Bray. It's Tay Conti.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:21
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Bray will always be cool with me for his fingerguns while summoning Roman Reigns to do Tackle like a fuckin pokemon
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Sep 6, 2021 07:21
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DeathChicken posted:Not sure how people can go "Bray was never good in WWE so he'll be bad everywhere!" when WWE managed to make Jon Moxley into walking garbage because a lot of the people that wwe misused have years of good work in other places, where bray wyatt has had one good singles match in his life and it was against the best wrestler ever
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Sep 6, 2021 07:22
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It's also worth noting that Tony Khan doesn't want to do spooky poo poo and that he regretted even doing Matt Hardy's teleportation, but it was the start of pandemic empty arenas so everyone was throwing spaghetti at a wall.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:24
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Why would you want more joshi stuff in AEW? I don't get the vibe TK gives a poo poo about em. Frustrates the hell out of me, but it is what it is.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:26
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was Bray Husky Harris Wyatt a Performance Center trainee from jump? i know his dad was IRS but is WWE his only wrestling output? I'd have some seriously morbid curiosity at what a dyed in the wool WWE product would do on the indies/in wrestling
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Sep 6, 2021 07:26
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I feel like Bray’s best move would be to go away for a little bit. Wrestle in Japan or Mexico, work up a new gimmick. Give some of the audience time to forget some of the dire stuff he was saddled with then come in fresh with a cool new character.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:27
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weekly font posted:was Bray Husky Harris Wyatt a Performance Center trainee from jump? i know his dad was IRS but is WWE his only wrestling output? I'd have some seriously morbid curiosity at what a dyed in the wool WWE product would do on the indies/in wrestling Billy Gunn is right there edit: I guess Miro is a more recent example
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Sep 6, 2021 07:28
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weekly font posted:was Bray Husky Harris Wyatt a Performance Center trainee from jump? i know his dad was IRS but is WWE his only wrestling output? I'd have some seriously morbid curiosity at what a dyed in the wool WWE product would do on the indies/in wrestling He and Miro are both FCW homegrown.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:29
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Shinjobi posted:Why would you want more joshi stuff in AEW? I don't get the vibe TK gives a poo poo about em. Frustrates the hell out of me, but it is what it is. I feel like Kairi Sane has enough of an immediately graspable hook that she'd at least catch notice from him. Just like Maki Itoh, who had a surprising amount of time to show her stuff.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:32
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Tay Conti was still raw when AEW picked her up and she improved exponentially. It wasnt a booking issue it was a training issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMGbQfBPQ4 This was from long before she was released.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:35
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Shinjobi posted:Why would you want more joshi stuff in AEW? I don't get the vibe TK gives a poo poo about em. Frustrates the hell out of me, but it is what it is. 4 women's champions in history. 2 have been joshi wrestlers. C'mon. I know all AEW discourse must bury the women's division no matter what, but come on.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:39
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SonicRulez posted:4 women's champions in history. 2 have been joshi wrestlers. C'mon. I know all AEW discourse must bury the women's division no matter what, but come on. The battle royal, for the record, I'm mostly fine with. I just take issue with two former champions being treated as just generic other contenders in the match. You add to that Shida's banishment to Dark/Elevation and yeah, I'm loving frustrated. The talent is all there in the women's division and tonight was a pretty good showcase for it. I've still got my goddamn nitpicks though.
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Sep 6, 2021 07:41
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Sep 6, 2021 07:43
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Lid posted:Tay Conti was still raw when AEW picked her up and she improved exponentially. It wasnt a booking issue it was a training issue. Bad example. Tay needs to do Ishii matches which do not fit the WWE "House Stye" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z8oWD0CCVc
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Sep 6, 2021 07:44
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i stopped watching after big show I hope the rest of the show was good
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a.lo posted:i stopped watching after big show dont worry nothing happened
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Lid posted:ORIGINALZACHDELAROCHADONOTSTEALDEVIANTART the DX Band is All Elite
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All Out Thoughts Buy in} HFO vs Jurassic Express and Best Friends. Orange Cassidy is Okay. I would actually love a Hardy / Luchasaurus match one day. Jungle Boy is a beautiful wrestler. I would also like Yuta vs Angelico some time. Some lovely silly spots in this match. A preshow match has to warm up the crowd and persuade people to buy and this does both. Hahaha, the Chicken Fight War. Awesome opening match, and really glad to see a big audience for Wheeler Yuta winning a match for once. BIG BUTCH! The Butcher comes back and murders Cassidy. Best Friends / B&B feud would be fine for me. Ends in a bit of a scrappy way, but sure. Group hug. PPV starts. 1) Eddie Kingston vs Miro. Oh poo poo, we're STARTING with this? Two very different psychopaths. Eddie jackrabbiting around the place. Eddie goes straight from a ddt, which is blocked immediately. Playing dirty because gently caress it why not? MACHINE GUN CHOPS! God, imagine how much Eddie must be marking out to have Kojima in the house. But let's talk about Miro. God, what an amazing monster. He will just tear apart anyone that crosses his path. Inevitability catches up with Eddie Kingston, but this is a man who tells Death to get hosed and join the line. I love it when Eddie suplexes people. For the first time, Miro is in trouble. God, that was a BEAUTIFUL fisherman's suplex. Miro working the hard cam with a demolished chest. Then the Game Over, and EDDIE GETS TO THE ROPES! BACKFIST! DDT! KICKOUT! gently caress! Heel Bryce gets between Miro and the exposed turnbuckle,. Low blow, beautiful kick, and Miro wins, but by god does he know he's been in a fight. There very well may be better matches tonight, but for right now this was a near perfect 20 minutes of wrestling. 2) Jon Moxley vs Satoshi Kojima. Speaking of heavily All Japan inflected matches, here comes a triple crown champion. Mox out without Kingston, who is shall we say indisposed. GCW Champ in a GCW hoodie hits the ring. Mr Bread looking great. We get a proper chop-off. Mr Bread flexes the pecs. This is wonderful and physical, a majestic mutual beating. MACHINE GUN CHOPS! lovely elbow drop. Excalibur is doing a good job of pointing out what a big loving deal this is. Delightful superplex. Mox being smart enough to work situational heel is great. Titanic back and forth, and Moxley needs two Paradigm Shifts to win. Bruising and great fun. And then. Oh gently caress. THE MOTHERFUCKING KING. Minoru Suzuki's music hits! Oh Jesus loving Christ. IN AN AEW RING! I was not expecting this and I am SO glad to see him. KAZE NI NARE! I loving love wrestling. Suzuki is smeared with Moxley's blood and I am so loving happy. 3) Kris Statlander vs Dr Britt Baker DMD. Cool, this up before the casino battle royal, adding to the importance of both in my opinion. Nice and technical to start after a couple of VERY physical matches. Stat has the power, which is great. Baker is tenacious and wily and very hard to put away. Stat fights out of a lockjaw effect and HOISTS Britt into the air. This is excellent stuff and increasingly hard hitting. Things get a little uncoordinated in the middle, but the match recovers its momentum well. After an each way fight to the end, Britt gets the lockjaw. Very very good match. Love the implication that Andrade stopped PAC being here. "We don't even have American Airlines phone number. I mean, assuming he even is on American Airlines." 4) Young Bucks vs Lucha Bros. This card order is whacky as gently caress. Live rap to bring out the Lucha Bros. Actually this is cool as gently caress. Lucha Bros head dresses are SUPER loving EXTRA. Bucks out, everyone in the cage, and we FIGHT. Camera angles are tight as hell. Things are pretty wild, but we all have high standards for "Bucks vs Bros in a cage" and I'm waiting to see if they're met. And they start to bring it with some gnarly spots, especially where everyone is jammed in the corners. A Jackson brother kicks a three pointer with Rey Fenix's nuts. Level of bang for my buck considerably increases. Brandon Cutler yeets a bag into the ring. Oh god, I think I know what this is. THUMBTACK SHOES! Oh jesus gently caress. Penta saves his brother. This is amazing. Young Bucks are awesome as absolutely sick fucks. BTE Trigger but FENIX BREAKS IT UP! And the crowd are INSANE. Penta's face is really hosed up right now. And Rey Fenix goes into "best wrestler in the goddamn loving world" mode. Penta hits an avalanche Canadian Destroyer. This started semi slow, but oh my god is this building up the damage. A La Carte Superkick Party. Welcome to All Elite Wrestling, motherfuckers. Oh no, Rey, this seems like a terrible idea. Nick Jackson heads up after him, gets kicked off, and TOP OF THE CAGE CROSSBODY! AND LUCHA BROTHERS WIN! I am so loving happy. The best tag team in the world just lost to the greatest tag team in the world. 5) Casino Battle Royale. Clubs first. Hikaru Shida out first. I continue to love her new look. Then Skye Blue, who was offered her place last night. Emi Sakura. LULUPENCIL ON PPV! And The Bunny to round things out. This is a fun first four. And their fifth... Abadon! Awesome new look. Shida and Sakura trading backbreakers, Bunny and Abadon join horror movie forces on Skye Blue. Blue shows inexperience by playing to the crowd, and then gets dumped out by Abadon who gets dumped out by Bunny. Bunny having fun while Shida is in the Romero Special. Bunny starts to dump Emi out, and Shida runs in to... help . Diamonds: Anna Jay comes back in and FUCKS the Bunny up. Kiera Hogan, KiLynn King, Diamante, and Nyla Rose. Hang on, if Diamante is in this group does that mean they're not the real diamonds? Love that Sakura's focus has been attacking Shida, nothing else. Sakura out. Hogan out. King out. Nyla walking tall. Rose powerbombs Shida out and the crowd boo like gently caress. Bunny still in there, along with Diamante, Nyla, and Anna. Hearts: Thunder Rosa, Penelope Ford, Riho, Jamie Hayter, Swole. Swole. God, this match is packed. Hayter vs Riho would be fun. Swole dumps out Diamante then gets dumped out herself. Hayter and Nyla team up against Rosa. I think RIho got dumped out too. Spades: Tay Conti, Red Velvet, Leyla Hirsch, Jade Cargill, Rebel. We're in clusterfuck territory, but it's fine. Jay takes out the Bunny, Penelope takes out Jay, Jade YEETS Leyla out of there. Crowd have figured out the joker. RUBY SOHO! she looks loving great. Nyla, I think, dumps out Jade. Tay takes out Penelope, we're down to Ruby, Nyla, and Rosa. I want all three matches. We're down to Ruby and Rosa. Fuuuck. They're doing EVERYTHING to throw each other out. And with an awesome looking kick on the apron, Rosa is out and Ruby Soho wins. Excellent battle royal. And just maybe a heel seed planted for Thunder Rosa?6) Chris Jericho vs MJF. Countdown clock is a great fakeout. MJF, you little poo poo. Burberry shitlord. Jericho gets a guitarist to play him out. OK. Presumably a Fozzy guy, but who knows? Crowd are NOT keeping to the beat. Or he isn't. This ain't great. The match itself is fine, but it's also a match I've seen three times already this year including one very recently. Jericho hits MJF with a Marty and Sarah sign, which was fun. It's possibly just that I'm multiple hours into this show, but I'm not as engaged in this match as I was in the previous ones. MJF is an incredible astonishing shithead, and a relatively good wrestler. Chris Jericho is the lion in winter. All the cunning, all the experience, and a body that doesn't quite do what he wants it to. Couple of real ugly bits in this. Very nice looking lionsault though. Mr Mayhem out to a roar. And then Hager out because we can't have anything cool. MJF uses the bat, top 10 anime betrayals. MJF hits the Judas Effect. Jericho gets his foot on the ropes. MJF "wins". Paul Turner out, the crowd see it. Aubrey reverses the call. Excellent stuff. And MJF is SCARED. Fujiwara armbar on Jericho, rolled into a cover. Crawl fight territory. And... THE WALLS! Tormented MJF nearly makes the ropes, gets dragged back, and taps. Nicely done overbooked nonsense. This match won me back by the end. Inner Circle out to celebrate with Jericho. Darby does some bodybag stuff. This time with a helicopter. Okay. Did that dumbfuck just jump out of a helicopter? 7) Darby Allin vs CM Punk. This crowd like Darby a lot. They might even love him a bit. But they worship Punk. God, I love the look in Darby's eyes. He needs to fight this man AND the crowd. And we are into a CM Punk match after seven years. This is all about the facial expressions at this point. The in ring is pretty good, but the match lives and dies on its emotions. It's a much more slow and methodical match than Darby usually has, but we get into it as the match goes on. And Darby takes an absolutely hosed bump through the turnbuckles into the post. Jesus. The pace slows quite a bit. Punk isn't rusty, per se, but the machine is cold. He's still working out what he can do, and what being in a ring feels like. As a result some bits of the match move at a much more methodical pace than might otherwise be expected. I love some of Punk's swift savagery in this match. He's moving like a guy in his forties, but then Darby will get on top of the turnbuckle and Punk will push him off HARD in seconds. God drat, I love Darby getting hit with the GTS and bumping so hard he gets thrown out of the ring. Punk is willing to take a countout victory, that's nicely judged. Second GTS attempt, and Darby fights out of it. This has moved up into a really good match. Not just a historic one but actually great too. gently caress, that missed coffin drop looked amazing, as did Punk's poo poo eating grin after it. Punk has to win here, the crowd would actually murder people if he didn't, but god drat do they make Darby look good in the process. I really liked this. Sting is out, show of respect, Punk and Sting help Darby to his feet, but he wants to do it himself. I would not mind seeing Sting vs Punk at some point. gently caress, this was all so well judged. CM Punk is a professional wrestler again. 8) Paul Wight vs QT Marshall. Real "bathroom sellout" feel to this one. WEEELLLLL, it's someone else in black gear with blue accents and white piping. Paul has such a weird body shape right now. QT gets beaten up. Paul does some Bad Luck Fale offense. QT's titty is destroyed. Solow and Comoroto get stooged out. 3 count, and this is over. It's safe to come back from the bathroom now. hahahahahahahaha Moxley vs Suzuki this Wednesday hahahahaha gently caress yes, murder each other, murder each other you loving demons. Sorry, what was I saying? Malakai vs Dustin on Wednesday, PAC vs Andrade on Friday. Normally I'd find it weird to sell the TV show on PPV, but this is kind of smart. I think there's a bunch of people tuning in for Punk. 9) Kenny Omega vs Christian. Christian out first as challenger. That hoodie looks like poo poo, bro. This feels like a much more traditional Kenny presentation than we've had in a while. It's like he knows he has to take this one seriously. NOOORTH CAROLINA! Athletic Big Match start. We go for the plundah pretty quickly. This is really good, but it's also coming four hours into the wrestling I've watched tonight and I'm starting to feel a little exhausted. Omega fucks up and bumps his butt while attempting a barrier moonsault. I will admit that Christian is in the shape of his career right now. And Kenny for his part is doing everything he can to make Christian look like a huge threat. Fuckery from the Good Brothers, which feels unnecessary. Kenny kicks out of the Killswitch. Oh gently caress, SUPER ONE WINGED ANGEL! Hell of a move for Kenny to have to break out to win. Bucks out post match to celebrate. Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus try and break up the Christian beatdown. Kenny gloats on the mic. Nobody is on his level. Lights out. And it's Adam Cole. This is fun. And of course he's with the elite. Of COURSE he is! And then... Oh gently caress! It's Bryan Danielson! Excellent stuff. Omega runs, everyone brawls, Bryan looks amazing. And we're off to the races, motherfuckers. Genuinely great ppv. I love wrestling.
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yea ok posted:because a lot of the people that wwe misused have years of good work in other places, where bray wyatt has had one good singles match in his life and it was against the best wrestler ever hey some of those john cena matches were okay too! but yes this is how i see it as well
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lol at Tony Khan's answer to the question if the Lucha Bros might face the NWA tag champs "Who are the NWA Champs?... oh those guys! wellIthinkAEWhave a lot of good tag teams so..."
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Sep 6, 2021 10:48
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I just remembered that Minoru Suzuki showed up and it was only like the 4th best thing to happen on the show
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Rarity posted:I just remembered that Minoru Suzuki showed up and it was only like the 4th best thing to happen on the show Dare you to tell him that
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forkboy84 posted:Dare you to tell him that Oh I'm far too scared of him murdering me. I will walk up to him and tell him he was the best thing on the show at which point he will murder me
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JT Jag posted:This is an unrelated comment to all this, but Brett Baker is an actual no poo poo licensed dentist, does she like only work a few months out of the year when recovering or something? https://woodlandlakesdental.com/about-us/
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