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fast cars loose anus posted:Kevin Sumlin was a linebacker and his first coaching job was coaching WRs. His head coaching career ended badly but he had some pretty drat good offenses for a time Juan castillo going from offensive line coach to defensive coordinator was probably the bottom dropping out on big andy here in philly.
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Asproigerosis posted:Juan castillo going from offensive line coach to defensive coordinator was probably the bottom dropping out on big andy here in philly. the bottom dropped out when he allowed Washburn to run the DL with zero accountability to Castillo and also Washburn kept calling him the f-slur in front of players. like maybe Castillo could have done an average job but not in that environment
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DeimosRising posted:ok but i don't know what that has to do with what i said. obviously sometimes you're going to draft poorly, or be unlucky. your assertion was that keim, apparently, "consistently" drafts well in rounds 2 and 3, but not in other rounds, as opposed to other, unstated gms. My assertion is no one drafts "consistently" well in any given round, both because the draft is mostly a crapshoot and because there's not any meaningful difference between evaluating players in round 3 vs round 4. if you have a bunch of success in one round and not another, that's probably just luck. i don't think keim is great or anything i just don't think that criticism makes any sense. My point is he's bad at drafting, bad to the point a five year extension is obviously the wrong move. He's not going to build through cost controlled means, so he's always going to fill the issues with old players. The Cardinals are not going to be driven by player development or anything that COULD be a benefit of Kliff if he was a decent coach. They're going to be filling needs with old temporary parts in perpetuity and with severely mixed outcomes.
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JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS DEAD https://twitter.com/peter_king/status/1509323350694404097
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Benne posted:JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS DEAD Huh. This was rumored starting last year, but for it to happen at the end of March is something…
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So do the Bucs get draft picks for a minority hire?
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Yeah wow, guess Brady won that power struggle.
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do they have anything in place so that you can't hire a black guy for 1 year over and over and get draft picks every year
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Cavauro posted:do they have anything in place so that you can't hire a black guy for 1 year over and over and get draft picks every year What do you mean we dont get extra picks for this?
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So the rules are: 1) your guy has to be hired by someone else as HC or GM 2) you have to have employed him for at least 2 years previously 3) He has to have been lower than HC/GM when he worked for you e: It's hard to find this info for some reason googling quickly but there was some talk of doing things for people who hired coaches and kept them around but I don't think those got passed fast cars loose anus fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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thank you loose anus. i was very worried about some coaches getting 2 years and then gone no matter what
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Cavauro posted:thank you loose anus.
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they fired more minority coaches than anyone
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We've all thought that once or twice.
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Cavauro posted:they fired more minority coaches than anyone Racist fucks! Why can't more owners be as progressive and enlightened as Jerry Jones?
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:We've all thought that once or twice. me more often than id prefer to admit
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Ahhhh why pick Bowles over Leftwich. Brady’s not sticking around forever and Bowles is 100% not a long term HC for the bucs.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Ahhhh why pick Bowles over Leftwich. Brady’s not sticking around forever and Bowles is 100% not a long term HC for the bucs. Arians and Bowles have been close for a long time, with Bowles being the heir apparent to Arians being a known (Or very strongly suggested) thing for a while. It almost certainly predates Leftwich being a hot candidate as a coach, which has really only been the last year or so.
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No one cares more about Bowles getting the right opportunity than Arians. Bowles played for Arians at Temple. They're inseparable.
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Anyone who actually follows the Bucs (very few, I know) knew that Bowles was always going to succeed Arians unless he took another HC job prior to Arians retiring. This was planned at least 2 years ago and probably when Bowles was hired as DC.
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This is a difficult situation. On the one hand, I hold no animus towards Bowles and I would like to see more successful minority coaches. But on the other hand, gently caress Tom Brady.
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wandler20 posted:Anyone who actually follows the Bucs (very few, I know) knew that Bowles was always going to succeed Arians unless he took another HC job prior to Arians retiring. This was planned at least 2 years ago and probably when Bowles was hired as DC. How much juice behind the Brady forced Bruce into retirement rumour is there?
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DariusLikewise posted:How much juice behind the Brady forced Bruce into retirement rumour is there? There is absolutely no pure evidence for that, but no one involved would be likely to talk. Someone posted a statement from Arians from earlier this year about wanting to coach a few more years and being excited about trying to bring on Trask or Gabbert, that's as close as it comes. The rest is just assumptions, and perhaps knowing some things about Brady. I'm keeping an open mind, they both seem plausible to me.
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wandler20 posted:Anyone who actually follows the Bucs (very few, I know) knew that Bowles was always going to succeed Arians unless he took another HC job prior to Arians retiring. This was planned at least 2 years ago and probably when Bowles was hired as DC. How was this planned event such a shock to the NFL then? And why was Bruce not talking about it a year ago when he was asked about retirement? And why wouldn't this plan take place at the normal time that coaches announce retirements? And Tom Brady's faux retirement, reports about his friction with Arians, trade requests/rumors with Brady, and now this totally peculiar, post-Brady return retirement… all just a coincidence?
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i know a lot of what's going on and no one has really said it so far. i follow the buccaneers every day and night. well here it is. bruce was planning on coaching this year without a qb, taking it on the chin, and giving his protege less of a lovely situation, with good draft picks to get a quarterback in the next draft. when that succession plan was changed due to tom brady deciding not to retire at the last minute, the plan was altered but in terms of bruce's feelings and legacy, not much
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If you don't believe he forced Arians out then you are crazy
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I'm related to bruce and arian foster but I guess everybody here knows everything
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Bruce said nice things about Tom while they were in the same room together infront of the press. That's hard proof of bff's
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Maybe Arians decided he wanted to spend more time with his family and Tom decided he wanted to give it one more year, and neither of them were prepared to commit one way or the other without taking some time off to think about it.
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acidx posted:Maybe Arians decided he wanted to spend more time with his family and Tom decided he wanted to give it one more year, and neither of them were prepared to commit one way or the other without taking some time off to think about it. Arians did commit to one way tho, then went another
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in business, it's not commitment until the toelet is flushed.
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LOL 100% Brady forcing out Arians. Arians says the plan was for him to retire next year and Bowles to take over. But he didn't want Bowles to get stuck coaching another bad team. Which was going to happen how? There's no more HC openings, Bowles was already passed over, and clearly Arians going into this season would have communicated to Bowles that he was planing to retire at the end of this season. So how or why would Bowles take any other job at the end of this season if Arians was planing to retire anyway. Man I hope Brady really crashes and burns this season. I feel bad for Leftwich & Bowles if he does, but man does he deserve it.
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syzpid posted:LOL 100% Brady forcing out Arians. Arians says the plan was for him to retire next year and Bowles to take over. But he didn't want Bowles to get stuck coaching another bad team. Which was going to happen how? There's no more HC openings, Bowles was already passed over, and clearly Arians going into this season would have communicated to Bowles that he was planing to retire at the end of this season. So how or why would Bowles take any other job at the end of this season if Arians was planing to retire anyway. If Arians loves Bowles as much as purported maybe he wanted to hand Bowles an easy winning season.
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Would be pretty funny if Brady forced out Arians because he wanted to play for Leftwich only to get stuck with Bowles. Why would he consider Bowles an upgrade after seeing his teams finish 4th in the division 3 years in a row.
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Docjowles posted:Would be pretty funny if Brady forced out Arians because he wanted to play for Leftwich only to get stuck with Bowles. Why would he consider Bowles an upgrade after seeing his teams finish 4th in the division 3 years in a row. Because Bowles will let him do whatever he wants on offense.
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Why wouldn’t you want to run the offense Brady’s way? It’s proven to be pretty successful for a while.
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boop the snoot posted:Why wouldn’t you want to run the offense Brady’s way? It’s proven to be pretty successful for a while. Well, they won a SuperBowl with Arians running the offense, so that worked pretty well I’d say. Arians likes to do things his way and he’s been in the league a long time and was a pretty successful head coach, it’s not a surprise that he wouldn’t want to cede control of the offense to someone else. Bowles knows Brady is his ticket to a redemption story and will bend over backwards to keep him happy.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Well, they won a SuperBowl with Arians running the offense, so that worked pretty well I’d say. Arians likes to do things his way and he’s been in the league a long time and was a pretty successful head coach, it’s not a surprise that he wouldn’t want to cede control of the offense to someone else. I thought Brady took over control of the offense some way through 2021?
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boop the snoot posted:I thought Brady took over control of the offense some way through 2021? Nah. There was a meeting in 2020 where Arians opened things up to Brady for input but they were still running the mostly same concepts that are staples of Arians playbook.
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