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Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Lunatic Sledge posted:


Again, this is from the perspective of someone who doesn't entirely get it myself, and also I have a lot of personal/professional/mental health issues that are going to put a thin layer of INCREDIBLY loving BITTER on my assessment... but that's my smoky take on it all. Grain of salt, I'm biased and some kind of goblin IRL.

Nah, that all makes sense but it's also notable to me that it's all outside of the story itself. Like, I get why somebody might like all of those things but it kind of confirms my thinking that the appeal of litrpgs is baked into the medium of the story rather than what it lets you do thematically with the exception of the Die/Outcast in Another World/Worth the Candle approach to using it as a way of commenting on rpgs or stories overall.

I guess like a lot of things it comes down to whether this specific kind of thing pokes your personal dopamine reward button.

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Neurophage
Oct 11, 2012
the specific terminology(I get a dopamine hit, it makes me release the chemical) used to explain why reading this genre of books is fun is incredibly bizarre

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


I didn't get what the appeal of this genre, or format, or whatever, could possibly be until someone summarized it as "A 'Let's Play' of someone's fictional videogame". Then I kind of got it. I don't like watching Let's Plays either, but I understand their appeal more than litrpg. Litrpg is just someone who doesn't have the budget to make a game doing a Let's Play with words.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Ccs posted:

Litrpg is just someone who doesn't have the budget to make a game doing a Let's Play with words.
That's also every single Let's Play.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

There's a very interesting critical theory essay in how consumption of video games has gone from consumption of a simulation of reality -> consumption of a simulation of playing the game simulating reality through someone else(watching a Twitch stream) -> consumption of a simulation of playing the game simulating reality through the simulation of someone else playing the game.

just an absolute khole of streamlined dopamine hits with very little else included.

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

choose your own horror isekai sci-fi Souls-like urban fantasy gamer simulator adventure

or don't?

Famethrowa posted:

There's a very interesting critical theory essay in how consumption of video games has gone from consumption of a simulation of reality -> consumption of a simulation of playing the game simulating reality through someone else(watching a Twitch stream) -> consumption of a simulation of playing the game simulating reality through the simulation of someone else playing the game.

just an absolute khole of streamlined dopamine hits with very little else included.

would that make it more of a d-hole than a k-hole

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Lunatic Sledge posted:

what if it's only metaphorically a book and only logistically a litRPG

I think all the other threads I frequent are sick of me plugging my poo poo but I will never stop

For what it's worth, I like your weird quasi webcomic. It has some pretty unique world building with some new takes on old tropes.

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Famethrowa posted:

There's a very interesting critical theory essay in how consumption of video games has gone from consumption of a simulation of reality -> consumption of a simulation of playing the game simulating reality through someone else(watching a Twitch stream) -> consumption of a simulation of playing the game simulating reality through the simulation of someone else playing the game.

just an absolute khole of streamlined dopamine hits with very little else included.

Man, now I want to know what the most minimal way to achieve this is that still attracts more than like 100 readers. How thin can you get it in terms of narrative and characters etc and still get people to respond?


V1
John blinked, the orc in front of him looked much more realistic than it had a moment ago, and he couldn't see the edges of his VR rig anymore. He had a moment of panicked realization as the orc's leaden club barely missed his face and he felt the wind from it blow his hair. Playing Blorg the barbarian felt a lot more fun than living it seemed to be. The orc's backswing thudded into the leather armor he realized he was wearing, and along with the burst of pain came a flashing image of -6! before him. Without thinking, he used the inertia from the blow to tumble to the side and behind the orc, then thrust upwards from his place on the floor into the beast's unguarded kidney. The numbers 28! flashed in red, and the orc disintegrated into pixels that reformed to a pile of gold and a stoppered bottle.

V2
BLORG the barbarian fights an orc! The orc hits him for 6 hp of damage, but he uses his EVADE skill to slide to the side and reduces it to 4 points, then can attack with a backstab bonus. He stabs the orc for 28 hp. BLORG wins! BLORG finds 30 gold and a potion of healing.

V3
BLORG fights an ORC
ORC hits for 6 hp
BLORG uses EVADE for +2 hp
BLORG uses BACKSTAB to attack
BLORG hits for 28 hp
ORC is defeated
+ 30 gold
+ Potion of healing

V4
hp = 30
orc = 20
monster hits for 6 hp
hp = 24
use evade
use backstab
hit for 28
you win

V5
hp = 30
orc = 20

hp = 24
orc = 20

hp = 26
orc = 20

orc = -8
you win

V6
30 vs 20
24 vs 20
26 vs 20
26 vs -8
*** YOU WIN ***

Rob Filter
Jan 19, 2009

Neurophage posted:

the specific terminology(I get a dopamine hit, it makes me release the chemical) used to explain why reading this genre of books is fun is incredibly bizarre

Unfortunately, much of modern big tent capitalist game design lingo was written by the horrible people sanitizing modern AAA games that are barely disguised child casino's. Companies have wholesale reinvented a cybercorp version of 19th century company towns. Including, but not limited to:
-Child casino's
-Child labour
-Payment for labour in company script (i.e. funbucks)
-The vast majority of your workers been an outsourced, decentralized pool of "contractors" who don't have to be paid minimum wage or any benefits whatsoever.

So yeah, the use of dopamine to describe books making you happy should strike you as weird and somewhat off-putting, because its terminology that's been taken from the people who build the pokies. Thank gently caress nobodies figured out how to put a child casino in a book.

Rob Filter fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Sep 18, 2021

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Rob Filter posted:

So yeah, the use of dopamine to describe books making you happy should strike you as weird and somewhat off-putting, because its terminology that's been culturally appropriated from the people who build the pokies. Thank gently caress nobodies figured out how to put a child casino in a book.
people who build casinos aren't a culture, you can just say that's where the terminology came from

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Rob Filter
Jan 19, 2009

A human heart posted:

people who build casinos aren't a culture, you can just say that's where the terminology came from

Good point, thanks, edited!

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