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growing people in the ground like orcs
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Apr 17, 2024 21:05
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mags posted:growing people in the ground like orcs Whom do you serve? ExxonMobil
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Apr 17, 2024 21:13
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mags posted:that’s right losers, farmers gently caress and you can’t do anything about it I can watch? Imma watch.
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Apr 17, 2024 22:44
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Hubbert posted:speaking of which, some forums posters might enjoy this episode of Nate Hagens' The Great Simplification: Episode 108 - Steve Keen: "On the Origins of Energy Blindness”. Thanks, I'll listen to Steve Keen talk about anything. The guy is switched on.
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Apr 18, 2024 00:26
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starkebn posted:Thanks, I'll listen to Steve Keen talk about anything. The guy is switched on. He's a bit dry, but he has fun exploring the topic. He's the second economist I've read that has come to the realization that the Cobb-Douglas function can actually be explained if one actually uses energy instead of "INNOVATION" (the first being Charles Hall, forgive me I am working from memory here). Also, I laughed when I heard his "epiphany" quote: "Labour without energy is a corpse, and capital without energy is a sculpture."  edit: more on cobb-douglas function Energy and the Wealth of Nations, Charles A. S. Hall and Kent Klitgaard - Page 58 posted:Constant returns do exist when output expands proportionately with the increase in all inputs. In 1928 mathematician Charles Cobb and economist Paul Douglas published an article on long-term trends in income distribution. They were most interested in why the distribution of income remained stable, despite momentous changes in industrial structure and the position of the United States in the world economy. However, the paper is most famous for the Cobb Douglas production function. Hubbert has issued a correction as of 03:18 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Apr 18, 2024 00:56
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watching economists stumble into systems thinking always brings a smile to my face
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Apr 18, 2024 01:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5al0HmR4to
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Apr 18, 2024 05:42
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Hubbert posted:He's a bit dry, but he has fun exploring the topic. He's the second economist I've read that has come to the realization that the Cobb-Douglas function can actually be explained if one actually uses energy instead of "INNOVATION" (the first being Charles Hall, forgive me I am working from memory here). you should post this in the marxism thread. Mr. Sharps posted:watching economists stumble into systems thinking always brings a smile to my face the liberal mind, once it realizes something is very wrong, feels a profound need to struggle against the ltv until it exhausts all possibilities and begrudgingly accepts it. surely there must be a way to model economic activity that doesn't rest on labor. i've been there.
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Apr 18, 2024 06:16
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the problem with trying to apply physics to economics is that you can't complete the chain with our current understanding. you need to do a full reverse reductionism: understand how chemistry emerges from physics, how biology emerges from chemistry, how behavior emerges from biology, and finally how economics emerges from behavior. if you gently caress up or try to skip any step, you end up with italian fascism or technocracy or something silly like that. this is essentially my life's goal, but i would not live to see it realized if I lived to be a hundred.
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Apr 18, 2024 06:34
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economics like like the cat in the box thought experiment from physics. we definitely killed it and hid it in the box but you dont know for sure yet and are pretending like maybe it could be alive.
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Apr 18, 2024 06:54
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Zodium posted:the problem with trying to apply physics to economics is that you can't complete the chain with our current understanding. you need to do a full reverse reductionism: understand how chemistry emerges from physics, how biology emerges from chemistry, how behavior emerges from biology, and finally how economics emerges from behavior. if you gently caress up or try to skip any step, you end up with italian fascism or technocracy or something silly like that. this is essentially my life's goal, but i would not live to see it realized if I lived to be a hundred. whats the philosophers stone of economics
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Apr 18, 2024 07:05
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The Oldest Man posted:whats the philosophers stone of economics liberal democracy
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Apr 18, 2024 07:06
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economics is stupid. a dumb field full of idiots saying the most asinine and wrong things you’ve ever heard. It also dictates everything in our life.
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Apr 18, 2024 07:09
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The Oldest Man posted:whats the philosophers stone of economics cybernetics
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Apr 18, 2024 07:12
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Stereotype posted:economics like like the cat in the box thought experiment from physics. we definitely killed it and hid it in the box but you dont know for sure yet and are pretending like maybe it could be alive. wasn’t the point of that metaphor that this is loving stupid and people just took it at face value? seems perfectly economical.
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Apr 18, 2024 08:07
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Zodium posted:the problem with trying to apply physics to economics is that you can't complete the chain with our current understanding. you need to do a full reverse reductionism: understand how chemistry emerges from physics, how biology emerges from chemistry, how behavior emerges from biology, and finally how economics emerges from behavior. if you gently caress up or try to skip any step, you end up with italian fascism or technocracy or something silly like that. this is essentially my life's goal, but i would not live to see it realized if I lived to be a hundred. Physics is real, economics is fake, full ecoskynetism now. QED
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Apr 18, 2024 11:00
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actually its really simple money + oil + labor = economy
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Apr 18, 2024 14:07
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yumquote:In Vivo Tissue Distribution of Polystyrene or Mixed Polymer Microspheres and Metabolomic Analysis after Oral Exposure in Mice edit pairs nicely quote:Microplastics and Nanoplastics in Atheromas and Cardiovascular Events
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Apr 18, 2024 15:09
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Car Hater posted:Physics is real, economics is fake, full ecoskynetism now. QED Oh yeah? https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-why-curve/id1626544463?i=1000652839045 24 minutes in.
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Apr 18, 2024 15:18
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Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:Oh yeah? I hate everything so much
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Apr 18, 2024 15:59
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Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:Oh yeah? I Hate This Podcast posted:The key point is that growth does not come from using ever more finite resources; where it comes from is coming up with new ideas for using those finite resources in ever more productive ways [...] whereas the world of finite materials may be limited, the world - the universe of possible ideas of combining those resources is infinite, effectively. Hubbert posted:I hate neoclassical economists I HATE NEOCLAASICAL ECOBONICTS AHHHHHHH  foreverhere's one neat trick to achieving infinite wealth in a resource-constrained world with a declining rate of profit: rent-seeking lol Hubbert has issued a correction as of 16:33 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Apr 18, 2024 16:22
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The economy is Lego, and we just need to build something different with the bricks. Our economists have the job of figuring out how to make the alternate designs on the back of the box to the main one we have the manual for. Circular economy FTW. No waste at all. Infinite efficiency.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:46
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ya I mean when you think about it microplastics are like lego landmines for your cells
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Apr 18, 2024 16:50
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Infinite growth of the species by producing Cronenbergian monstrosities via microplastics. Many such permutations of humanity, good for Number.
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Apr 18, 2024 16:53
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If the reindeer on St Matthews island simply innovated the limited food supply into refined snack products instead of basic bitch twigs and leaves, the economy would have grown and they wouldn't have died off
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Apr 18, 2024 16:57
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXJnSo_-nsk
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Apr 18, 2024 16:59
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lmaoing that we're still talking about limiting warming to 1.5c but overall this lady's video series is based
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Apr 18, 2024 17:13
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Microplastics posted:If the reindeer on St Matthews island simply innovated the limited food supply into refined snack products instead of basic bitch twigs and leaves, the economy would have grown and they wouldn't have died off 
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Apr 18, 2024 17:17
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Humanity was just a preliminary step necessary for plastic based life to evolve
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Apr 18, 2024 17:25
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"I'm worried that having 'climate' in the name of a climate amendment would turn people away from it." -- student in climate rights class
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Apr 18, 2024 18:19
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Microplastics posted:If the reindeer on St Matthews island simply innovated the limited food supply into refined snack products instead of basic bitch twigs and leaves, the economy would have grown and they wouldn't have died off The podcast speaker has a wonderful analogy- imagine you have a larder with over 300 ingredients: don't fret about depletion, the potential combinations are endless! Just entirely sidestepping the issue, lmao. edit: sorry for derailing thread, I just love energy 
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Apr 18, 2024 18:22
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Nichael posted:"I'm worried that having 'climate' in the name of a climate amendment would turn people away from it." -- student in climate rights class yeah you have to make it sound cool, like reducing inflation or improving infrastructure, that's what gets people excited
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Apr 18, 2024 18:29
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Im going to innovate a heat engine with infinitely improving efficiency and no doomer can stop me
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Apr 18, 2024 18:31
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Hubbert posted:
Entropy doesn't exist if you product manage your energy state hard enough e: brakeless posted:Im going to innovate a heat engine with infinitely improving efficiency and no doomer can stop me gently caress
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Apr 18, 2024 18:33
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but the combinations are not endless. they are finite and well defined and oh yeah any combination without salt is garbage
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Apr 18, 2024 18:41
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like seriously can’t believe how dumb these economists are. economics is dunning Kruger: the subject
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Apr 18, 2024 18:43
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Communist Cop posted:yeah you have to make it sound cool, like reducing inflation or improving infrastructure, that's what gets people excited All in favor of the BATMAN KICK rear end TITTIES AND BEER Amendment?
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Apr 18, 2024 18:46
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TehSaurus posted:like seriously can’t believe how dumb these economists are. economics is dunning Kruger: the subject I was actually about to put the guy's book sample on my Kindle for the first 20 minutes, then he hits with that zinger of "actually, no degrowth, just infinite growth by redefining growth to something dumb." Then I tuned out.
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Apr 18, 2024 18:55
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Redefining growth as something dumb is the best way. We will make them accept degrowth by making airplane noises as we fly the spoon to their mouth
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Harold Fjord posted:Redefining growth as something dumb is the best way. We will make them accept degrowth by making airplane noises as we fly the spoon to their mouth https://youtu.be/Ak4on5uTaTg?si=Vng2jzkHCOqrSZNd Redefine city to be flattened ghetto Megacity One for the crypto bros. The Saudis would do better to just make a replicas 1:1 scale Midgar and Junon. Probably cost less. And they’re already killing the planet by sucking out its life force, so it even fits.
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