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Complications
Jun 19, 2014

JohnnySavs posted:

Given that weather is not climate and humans are natural pattern sellers etc. But does this year's artic ice pattern seem kind of suspicions? Suddenly levels out to a highest-in-a-decade linear trajectory after being on track for the lowest in recorded history.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

No.

The overall area is in line with the average of the 2010s, but the peripheral seas have eaten poo poo beyond previous records. The situation is still getting worse, but the way it's getting worse shifts from year to year.


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Complications
Jun 19, 2014


2.7C by 2100 would be an unutterable triumph at this point.

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Jun 19, 2014

my bony fealty posted:

drat we hosed. what's for dinner?

philly cheesesteak with a bacon topping

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Jun 19, 2014

Captain Gordon posted:

You guys missed the point of the video. Humanity literally doomed itself and there is nothing we can do, so focus on personal happiness instead of doomerism. Nothing will save us save except for for a tiny chance of benevolent aliens showing or a sci-fi tech breakthrough.

Also, most us will hopefully be at the end of our natural lives by the time the worst of it happens.

If doom doesn't bring you laughter then you need to face the abyss and properly break your brain.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Slow News Day posted:

Only 1100 words, actually, and, no, it does suck that they are resuming the sale of leases! But I think the leftist disagreement comes down to "Biden should just ignore court orders and do whatever he wants, because that's what the previous guy did and he got away with it!"

the rules are the rules and the rules say we have to do our best to annihilate all life on earth

that's just the breaks, sorry lifeists

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

skipmyseashells posted:

was that a dnd post that accidentally got rerouted to the wrong forum?

unattributed quote that the original author came in to defend

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Jun 19, 2014

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Really enjoying how the Biden defenders are claiming that thinking climate change is unstoppable is fossil fuel propaganda and that we are plants acting in the defense of corporations to stop them from planting trees or whatever.

the trump administration wouldn't have waited for a court to tell them to auction off that oil land, they'd have just done it

when you think about it biden's a hero for delaying it as long as he did with that masterful court action loophole job

in the coming years there will be tons less CO2 in the atmosphere at any given point than if biden wasn't in office

this is a triumph for environmentalism

auction that land with pride biden

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Chamale posted:

Someone please post the study from a mainstream economist saying there'll be an 80% reduction in agricultural output by 2060, which will have no economic impact on other sectors.

Here's a good place to start.

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Jun 19, 2014

Mameluke posted:

Hunting may be hampered by that whole "4% of mammal biomass is wild" stat but gathering is back on bay-bee

If all of the other animals in the area died I'd be very leery of eating or drinking anything there, but by all means try your luck.

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Jun 19, 2014

Topo Chico Debarge posted:

If our goondome is big enough, we might need a rapid transit option from a higher part of the dome to a lower part. Some kind of zipline maybe.

Given supply shortages would goondome be able to source enough structural grade drywall?

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Jun 19, 2014

RIP Syndrome posted:

Ecosystem and habitat loss works the same way.

Multiple interdependent networks may be less robust: https://arxiv.org/abs/0907.1182

Pollinators specifically: https://doi.org/10.1111/ele.12236

It's a good thing we were so careful to ensure all the tiny pockets of habitat were separated by effectively deserts filled with hostile predators so none of those previously integrated ecosystems could interact.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Meh, a quick death from fire or a slower one from increasing heat and drought will have the same ending. Those trees aren't surviving much longer either way.

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Jun 19, 2014

WampaLord posted:

lol what in the actual gently caress

type in the exact title and it's nowhere to be found

at least the channel does come up when you search for "objectivity is extinct"

you can find it if you put quotes around the search terms, but I suspect it's a 'helpful' typo algorithm doing its thing

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Rectal Death Adept posted:

His dramatic climate plan is to work on air conditioning and "protect 30% of the environment by 2030" in some unspecified way which is dumb and moronic before you even sit down and define it and realize it's too little, too late even if it weren't useless.

Who gives a gently caress if you start walling off vast tracts of the earth and considering it wildlife refuges. It's still two dimensional thinking similar to the plastic squares on desks protecting people from coronavirus. These trees and fish are in an increasingly inhospitable and deteriorating global climate.

I'm sorry, i mean there should be hope because the United Nations is "Seriously" "discussing" "Climate" "Change" and by 2030 we might have twice as many protected wildlife areas as before. In addition to half of all cars being sold being electric.

I think people would rather just make jokes and come to terms than even bother giving this asinine delusional bullshit the time of day.

You mean half of all cars sold being "zero emission," the legal definition of which which includes gasoline powered hybrids.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014


So we've apparently run the rest of the nation down so much that the scraps handed to the natives on the grounds that they were too crappy for anyone that matters to want are now worth imperializing. Cool.

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Jun 19, 2014

Cold on a Cob posted:

omg they accuse him of being a fascist for his milquetoast attempts to achieve systemic change through peaceful protest

hahahahahahhaha

The status quo is the ideal end of history perfect democracy that is good forever more and is wonderful freedom and justice for all. Changing the system would only drag it away from this perfection. Only fascists want that.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014


The entire article is really good but holy poo poo these two paragraphs just one after the other.

quote:

Why the discrepancy? A footnote in the CE Delft report makes it clear: the price figures for macronutrients are largely based on a specific amino acid protein powder that sells for $400 a ton on the sprawling e-commerce marketplace Alibaba.com. That source, though, is likely not suitable for cell culture. Via a chat tool, I asked the Alibaba vendor if the product would be acceptable for use in pharmaceutical-grade applications. “Dear,” she wrote back, “it’s organic fertilizer.” (In other words, it would not be.) As described on the webpage, the product is intended to be used in crop irrigation systems to help with plant nutrient uptake. The vendor did confirm it would be appropriate to use as an additive in livestock feed.

But nutrition sources like the one sold on Alibaba will probably never work for animal cell culture, despite the attractive price tag. Because they’re not intended for human consumption, they may include heavy metals, arsenic, organic toxins, and so on. That’s a problem. Animal cells lack a rigid cell wall, so foreign substances that aren’t consumed by the cells—or that don’t kill them outright—likely end up inside the cells. In other words, cells are what they eat: If it’s in the feed, it will end up in the cultured meat.

livestock feed

and where does that livestock end up :lol:

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Jun 19, 2014

SniperWoreConverse posted:

It's intrinsically stupid because if your kid also does this you're setting up khan to have 0% of your crap bag genes anyway. A better gene will eventually be found for every gene you passed on.

Which doesn't matter, but these people are apparently trying to cement inequality in a future world which doesn't even contain residual traces of themselves, except their ideology.

Simultaneously supremacist and also destroying the race.

don't worry, I'm sure their skin will be white

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Rectal Death Adept posted:

so "The World's Largest" carbon capture plant that opened manages to capture 3 seconds of yearly output in 1 year

Meaning we need roughly ...10,483,200 of them to become carbon neutral










if you ignore the cost of building them or the large amounts of energy required in them to superheat the air and sequester the carbon

Maybe if the world has cut emissions in half by 2050 we can double the effectiveness of the technology and only need 2,620,000 of them to become carbon neutral



if we ignore the cost of building them or the large amounts of energy required in them




Then we can work on dealing with the amount of climate change we have already guaranteed

AFAIK current estimates put global manufacturing as taking place in approximately 10 million factories worldwide

so we just have to invest that amount again in things which make no profit for anyone and are an active drain on the economy

definitely, totally doable

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Jun 19, 2014

Trabisnikof posted:

again if they rebuild the pipeline, blowing it up is worse than just leaving it be for the environment.

only if blowing up the pipeline results in reduction in *consumption* does it actually help the climate. making TX natural gas winners and ND natural gas losers doesnt even help, its still worse than doing nothing.

I dunno, given the increasingly obvious catastrophe going on with the supply chain right now I'm thinking that the capitalist portrayal of the easily replaceable nature of physical infrastructure might be a bit overstated...

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

I mean, some people might see some kind of existential meaning in watching this but I'm just staring into the window giggling because it scratches my curiosity itch :sickos:

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Jun 19, 2014

BIG HEADLINE posted:

And every can has an interior coating of extremely strong and extremely non-biodegradable plastic that can even stand up to acid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBQEnVR7y9k

So they can go gently caress themselves in two respects: hypocrisy and unnecessary carbon use in shipping their repackaged H2O all over the country world. The "Boxed Water" folks can get hosed, too.

All of the history books are so politely condescending and derisive of those dumb Romans and their lead pipes.

[looks at all the plastic all over food and water and everything]

Anyway we definitely learned from that mistake.

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Jun 19, 2014

Stereotype posted:

birds are just really easy to kill it turns out.

they knew what they were getting into when they hollowed out their bones

much like humanity when we hollowed out nature

and capitalists when they hollowed out their supply chains

the bill comes due for everything eventually

but if you're really lucky it'll be your kids that are stuck with it

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Jun 19, 2014

God Hole posted:

i hope it's possible to die

worst case scenario get covid a hundred times

sooner or later you'll be in the lucky one percent

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Jun 19, 2014

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Chevron just put a man under house arrest for two years and then imprisoned him for an additional six months. And scarcely anyone knows about it. Think about that. Has a private corporation ever previously managed to imprison a US citizen in the US?

Chevron looked at Ag-gag laws and said we gotta get us some of that.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Rectal Death Adept posted:

correction: multiple types of apocalyptic shifts that weren't supposed to happen for decades or centuries are also happening right now

no, no, see the planet's a noob and is shooting its entire feedback load right now and won't have anything left at 4C+ to shove everybody into 12C+

we just gotta ride out the initial surge and then it'll be smooth sailing

the captains of industry are ahead of the game again with their bunkers

Complications
Jun 19, 2014


lol

lmao

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

There'll probably be enough phosphate on the market for the first world to fertilize its number at the expense of definitely nobody important unless other governments commit Blasphemy Against the Free Market for some completely unforeseeable reason.

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Jun 19, 2014

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Plastic wins: https://www.wired.com/story/baby-poop-is-loaded-with-microplastics/amp

They're finding microplastics in meconium. :cripes:

The researchers found smaller amounts of both polymers in the meconium, suggesting that babies are born with plastics already in their systems.

quote:

Microplastics have contaminated every aspect of our lives, so while you’ll never get rid of them, you can at least reduce your family’s exposure.

even mainstream media's not even pretending there's hope on this lol

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

MightyBigMinus posted:

lol the oil spill is canceling the cultural display of our most flagrant and weaponized avatar of fossil fuel consumption

It got the local Fleet Week canceled? Oh, no, just a large air show. Laaaaaame.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Paradoxish posted:

Well, kids, there's overwhelming evidence that we're destroying life as we understand it on this planet. There's a reasonable chance that everything you're doing in your life now is meaningless, because the world, if it survives at all, will be a drastically different place very soon. The good news is that there are reasonable options to address these problems, they've always been available, and they're likely to result in a better world for everyone.

What? Oh, no, we're not taking those options. Heavens, no. We're going to innovate our way to safety. Wait, why are you crying? drat your liberal educational institutions for instilling this mindset of fear!

lol what? that's not what's being said

hey kids, we're gonna keep the infinite growth gravy train rolling for ourselves at the expense of all current and future civilizational functionality, but after we're all dead or completely out of power you'll have your chance to innovate your way to safety all on your own

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Jun 19, 2014

Decades posted:

Canadian Professor of climate science quits her job to rededicate herself to lmao:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/first-person-climate-change-education-support-young-people-1.6186611

quote:

The younger generations need to hear from us that they are not alone, that we'll work for them to mitigate emissions as quickly as possible. They need us to demonstrate that we will give up some of our own security and privilege in a system that is not adapting to the demands of the scientific consensus on the climate emergency, in order to change that system.
Sounds like the kids are coming to accurate conclusions about their prospects and she doesn't like teaching that.

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Jun 19, 2014

mediaphage posted:

i dunno, i'd be curious to see what her proposed rejiggering of the teaching model to be about "climate literacy" was before making claims like that

I literally quoted from her article where she wants to teach kids several things that aren't even slightly true.

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Jun 19, 2014

The Protagonist posted:

Hm.

The ocean is very big, but still... it seems like you couldn't do that for very long before it caused... problems

nah, nature is infinite we can do whatever and there'll always be more frontier

[presses finger to ear]

this just in, the poles are opening up to development, stay tuned to hear our analysts discuss the rich natural resources and verdant land waiting underneath the former glaciers and permafrost

apparently there's so much natural gas up there it's just coming out of the ground and our energy company sponsors are calling it a bonanza unseen since the gushers of the early 20th century

Complications
Jun 19, 2014


Building the railroad without killing one Native American is a promise they'll keep...

because they'll kill a lot more than that!

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Jun 19, 2014

T-Paine posted:

anyone notice how the news is not really even talking about efforts to stop, stall, or mitigate climate change but instead how to cope with it? We're hyper-hosed!

it's very mysterious how the moment people who swore publicly that they'd do questionably productive things about the issue gained the actual power to do those things the narrative switched completely

anyway I'm sure it's a pure coincidence that all those still unprofitable quarter measures aren't having any attention drawn to them by the corporate media

I'm sure they'll start talking about it again before the openly denier other party regains the majority they'd theoretically need to actually stop things from happening

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Rutibex posted:

degrowth isnt something that organisms do. when you stop growing thats just death

jellyfish have mastered degrowth

bones were a mistake

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

quote:

"We've heard directly from a growing number of our advertising and publisher partners who have expressed concerns about ads that run alongside or promote inaccurate claims about climate change," Google said in its announcement Thursday. "Advertisers simply don't want their ads to appear next to this content. And publishers and creators don't want ads promoting these claims to appear on their pages or videos."

Climate denial is so last decade

The cool cats are all greenwashing now

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Jun 19, 2014

actionjackson posted:

does anyone know anything about these bills

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/climate/climate-action-congress.html

If I have to have keep owning a car an EV would be cool, but honestly gently caress cars

They started precompromised at perhaps 1/3 of a useful amount of funding but mostly to lobbyists and the usual grifts and are compromising further because the democrats are climate deniers and even this is too much a concession to the idea that things might not be okay bipartisanship.

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Complications
Jun 19, 2014

For as long as I can remember during and after summer when the ground has had time to dry, sunset across California's central valley always has this beautiful orange and pink dust induced spray of color across the horizon. I wonder how much topsoil blowing away each of these pretty evenings represents.

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