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Speaking of sausages. What do you all like to eat on bonfire night? I was thinking of having some friends over to wave sparklers about in our back garden, celebrate nearly blowing up parliament etc. I then realised short of bonfire toffee and mulled wine I've no memory of the food as a kid. Grilled sausages, mulled apple juice, hot chocolate? Home made spicy baked beans in mugs? Smokey Chilli? I could just smoke a brisket or pork shoulder all day I guess.
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Oct 31, 2021 18:23
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Bonfire night is kinda wild when you think about it, a whole country chanting 'BURN HIM' in unison. Very 
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Oct 31, 2021 18:25
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I was saying Burnham.Mebh posted:Speaking of sausages. What do you all like to eat on bonfire night?
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Oct 31, 2021 18:27
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Another good option for cooking in a fire that I was introduced to a couple of years ago: half an orange, scoop out the flesh, fill with a smashed up chocolate bar, wrap in foil, cook in the fire. From personal experience, please allow for some cooling time before shoving molten chocolate orange into your face.
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Oct 31, 2021 18:34
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Mebh posted:Speaking of sausages. What do you all like to eat on bonfire night? I was thinking of having some friends over to wave sparklers about in our back garden, celebrate nearly blowing up parliament etc. I then realised short of bonfire toffee and mulled wine I've no memory of the food as a kid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xBIfqCAWy8
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Oct 31, 2021 18:36
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Just got back from a weekend running around the woods as a cowboy fighting alien pod-people while dodging exploding bridges (done with full on pyrotechnics) and ending up covered in green slime and clingfilmed to a tree by an alien queen that looked like a giant fanged vagina. Best hallowe’en weekend ever. A++, would do arboreal slime bondage again Edit: oops, not chat thread. Mybad.
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Oct 31, 2021 18:38
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stev posted:I've only encountered glue traps once - at my in-law's house - and they're horrible. Hearing the panicked squeaking in the middle of the night, seeing a glued mouse writhe around in terror, ripping it's own body off the trap was downright disgusting. And having to pick it up and dispose of it while the mouse was still alive wasn't exactly fun. I've never had a mouse infestation but if I ever do I'm not allowing those things anywhere near the place. I've used glue traps twice, definitely a very, very last choice on any occasion. 
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Oct 31, 2021 18:44
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https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955?s=19 It's good our PM has the historical understanding of a 14 year old on 4chan.
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Oct 31, 2021 18:44
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The Roman Empire fell because they didn’t level up enough after being 5-1 down at halftime
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Oct 31, 2021 18:48
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Nenonen posted:It all depends on what you're growing. Things that are handpicked (veggies), you need cheap and accustomed workforce for it. Grain and cattle fodder you collect with huge tractors, likewise dairy and poultry doesn't need much workforce with all the modern doodats that have largely automated animal keeping. My SO's sister is married to a dairy farmer, we actually visited them last night since we hadn't met since July. It's a 1.5 hour drive and it's run by her husband and his brother, and their elderly parents help out a little (in their 80s now), it's pretty long hours and it's every day. The saving grace though is the work is spread out over the day into instead of along 8 hour slog and there is some flexibility with some tasks. On the other hand, that means there is no work life separation. Your work is your life and you don't get weekends off.
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Oct 31, 2021 18:50
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955?s=19 I mean there is literally a historian chap who literally wrote a whole blog post about how this is the opposite of true recently https://acoup.blog/2021/07/30/collections-the-queens-latin-or-who-were-the-romans-part-v-saving-and-losing-an-empire/ This is what actual you know subject matter expert people who study the subject think, as opposed to someone who read some Gibbon at Eton in the 1950s.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:05
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Mebh posted:Speaking of sausages. What do you all like to eat on bonfire night? I was thinking of having some friends over to wave sparklers about in our back garden, celebrate nearly blowing up parliament etc. I then realised short of bonfire toffee and mulled wine I've no memory of the food as a kid. bovril in a polystyrene cup and hotdogs that taste faintly of diesel, traditional bonfire night foods
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Oct 31, 2021 19:05
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955?s=19 There's a far stronger argument that the 'fall of Rome' was caused by people talking poo poo about the alleged fall of Rome, and Watts' books give some interesting backstory if you like sectarian slapfights between old men in silly hats being appropriated for political ends and causing widespread ruin. Boris Johnson evidently does, just not in the reading about them way.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:07
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Clearly a second-rate amateur historian - he could have gone for the Bronze Age Collapse, with added headlines about SEA PEOPLES.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:11
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I wonder if anyone has made the argument that Rome fell because its leaders became too woke
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Oct 31, 2021 19:11
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I wonder if anyone has made the argument that Rome fell because its leaders became too woke Stefan Molyneaux and others have made the argument that the grain dole collapsed the empire, which is why the welfare state is bad. Also various MRA weirdos have tried to suggest that women's liberty also caused it. To be honest it is probably easier to try to list things that people haven't decided caused the collapse of the roman empire.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:18
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I'm sure that Spiked or the Spectator either have or are working on it. I think Julius 'Mussolini wasn't fash enough' Evola made a similar case too, that Christianity is too soft and universalist and love your neighbour and anyone can be a Christian and that's what killed Rome, insufficient racially pure macho phallus cults, so they'd just have to borrow some books from Taki.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:20
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I guess this is as good a time as any to highlight the absolutely excellent Fall of Civilizations podcast, especially the episode on Roman Britain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1whRd_c_irk But also, I read this today, a fascinating little look at how the prophecy of the Limits to Growth have rather accurately predicted the course* of our own civilization's collapse and, if the chart is to be believed, we here in 2021 are experiencing the peak of society, it's all downhill from here: https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-09-02/a-prayer-for-nonbelievers/  *assuming we weren't going to do anything about it to prepare (we didn't do anything about it to prepare)
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Oct 31, 2021 19:28
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OwlFancier posted:Stefan Molyneaux and others have made the argument that the grain dole collapsed the empire, which is why the welfare state is bad. Didn't the grain dole pre-date the Empire by at least a few decades? Think it was one of the Gracchi who introduced subsidised food, and then free food came within the following 5 decades. I've seen arguments the dole let to the fall of the Republic (& I'm hard stretched to care, the Republic seems to have been pretty shite for the plebs on the whole) but not the Empire. Boris is a really good advert for Oxford's Classics degree because holy poo poo the man understands nothing. Anyone trying to tell you one thing caused the Empire to die is someone not worth listening to. Also pretty sure that migration also helped the Empire survive as long as it did, grrr The Dark Ages reference too. There's a man who hasn't read anything on the subject published after Queen Victoria died.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:33
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forkboy84 posted:Didn't the grain dole pre-date the Empire by at least a few decades? Think it was one of the Gracchi who introduced subsidised food, and then free food came within the following 5 decades. I've seen arguments the dole let to the fall of the Republic (& I'm hard stretched to care, the Republic seems to have been pretty shite for the plebs on the whole) but not the Empire. I only know it specifically from a video talking about how stupid an argument it is, but yes the general gist was "they introduced the grain dole and then five hundred years later the western empire collapsed, clearly this is the cause"
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Oct 31, 2021 19:40
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fuctifino posted:I... just.... don't...... I mean... just look.....erm....
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I guess this is as good a time as any to highlight the absolutely excellent Fall of Civilizations podcast, especially the episode on Roman Britain: Fall of Civilizations; i just finished the Assyrians about two hours ago, i would put them ahead of Dan Carlin (though Dan does tell a wonderful story). Limits to Growth looks interesting.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:46
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fuctifino posted:I... just.... don't...... I mean... just look.....erm....  Boris warns EU not to back EU in fishing rules Boris agreed too! Boris is leading COP26, world should listen to him! Boris promises a turkey on every plate for christmas! (Charles: Er, I'm just here to remind you I might be king soon.)
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Oct 31, 2021 19:50
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Boris literally doing the joke from the start of this video but seriously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCCx4wj79o
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Oct 31, 2021 20:10
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Has anyone been to cineworld lately and if so how exactly are they enforcing the social distancing thing they're promoting? I just went to see a film this afternoon and booked online earlier in the week and I was the only person in my row/immediate area when I booked. However, after i sat down today a family of 4 plonked down right next to me and then another group of 4 right behind me. The rest of the row was empty and I can sort of understand Cineworld letting people sit in front and behind each other, but how the hell did this family of 4 manage to get the seat right next to mine. The cinema was also relatively empty as a whole, so irrespective of whether they were allowed to book them online or not I still think they were shitheads for sitting right next to me. Also, for anyone who cares the 4X wasn't really worth the extra cost. It was marginally more immersive when it was on, but the problem is it kept turning on and off throughout the film so it kept breaking the immersion. Also, while I'm griping about companies, gently caress Greggs drive-though. What a stupid idea it is to apply that type of ordering system to a product range that takes 20 minutes to make a fresh batch. Tried twice now since it's opened, and each time you finally get up to the ordering booth: "Can I get a steak bake please?" "Sorry we're out" "Sausage roll?" "Sorry don't have any of those left either, it's been a busy Saturday lol. We only have [things you don't want] left, how about that or a hot drink?" "No thanks, I'll just wait 10 minutes stuck in this single lane drive-through waiting for the people in front of me to get their stuff and leave before I can get away from your failure of a business".
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Oct 31, 2021 20:20
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Oct 31, 2021 20:33
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
Predicting 2020 from 2021 is really not that impressive a trick. Calling it a prophecy is pretty misleading , when all it really is a trivial model that contains no information more profound than ‘if we assume there is no food, then people will starve at _this_ rate’.
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Oct 31, 2021 21:00
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Bonfire night is a poo poo holiday for gammons, total prod fest celebrating not blowing up parliament for some reason.
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Oct 31, 2021 21:04
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I just wanted an excuse to grill sausages honestly. So reading about what caused the actual fall of Rome, and repudiating the anti immigrant narrative, how come it's rarely summed in short? I can find extremely detailed references but nobody on social media just says "the Roman senate refused to give representative rights to newer citizens, causing a rise in internal tensions and then grossly mismanaged a refugee crisis with the goths by fleecing them of their wealth and then selling their children into slavery in exchange for food rather than giving them the land and support they were promised. " It's all so eerily familiar. Yet not in the way the right thinks. There's a lot more nuance to it of course but hey guess what, we treated our mercenaries and new citizens like poo poo, made enemies of everyone then ignored all the fires while looting our own coffers and started a war due to our own greed... Yay. Mebh fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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My parents used to do a big bonfire night party every year. Me mum did a veg chilli and a meat one, and loads of baked spuds as it was easy to scale to however many people came. I guess if you go to a proper pay money show there's probably burger vans or whatever.
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Oct 31, 2021 21:23
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radmonger posted:Predicting 2020 from 2021 is really not that impressive a trick.  Limits to Growth was written in 1972 so I'm not sure what you mean by that. Anyway, it's not quite as simple as you make it out to be, wikipedia has a pretty good primer on the modelling behind it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth
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fuctifino posted:I... just.... don't...... I mean... just look.....erm.... To be fair a free water filter is pretty good timing. Looking forwards to when it's the anti rads pills giveaway.
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There is only one goon-approved version of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAJ66ZSQ4b4&t=156s (Timestamped to the start of the song but worth scrolling back to the start as Joe explains some of the operation of the machine. This, by the way, remains the acme of Youtube content for me - a bloke who loves his subject talking about it then demonstrating it. Apparently Joe isn't even really aware of Youtube or even the internet, the videos are all shot and uploaded by a neighbour of his, which makes him even more of a hero IMO)
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Oct 31, 2021 22:43
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OwlFancier posted:I only know it specifically from a video talking about how stupid an argument it is, but yes the general gist was "they introduced the grain dole and then five hundred years later the western empire collapsed, clearly this is the cause" Belter, because 500 years isn't a long time for an empire to last. Also think the dole lasted a couple hundred years longer in Constantinople. Sometimes it's hard to tell between intellectual dishonesty & sheer stupidity
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Oct 31, 2021 22:48
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There is only one goon-approved version of this song: He left a comment on that video.  I'm personally hoping it's his one direct interaction with the internet ever tbh, it's too rotten for good souls.
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Mebh posted:Speaking of sausages. What do you all like to eat on bonfire night? I was thinking of having some friends over to wave sparklers about in our back garden, celebrate nearly blowing up parliament etc. I then realised short of bonfire toffee and mulled wine I've no memory of the food as a kid. Slice a whole banana open lengthways like it's Mel Gibson in Braveheart. Cram chocolate buttons into the wound. Wrap in foil and hurl in flames. Eat when patience evaporates.
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feedmegin posted:I mean there is literally a historian chap who literally wrote a whole blog post about how this is the opposite of true recently Boris's conclusion isn't even what Gibbon said about it. Gibbon's opinion was in essence that the legion commanders acquired new ideas from foreign parts and the Roman emperors started looking out for themselves instead of for the empire. In the interest of protecting their own power and wealth they stripped the legions to the bone, and they turned their focus entirely inward. So it was a combination of insularity and xenophobia, corrupt leadership who only cared about enriching themselves, and austerity. Sound familiar?
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